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		<title>By: montanan</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>montanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>n/t</description>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-300</link>
		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They just think we&#039;re taxing too little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They just think we&#8217;re taxing too little.</p>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No amount of &quot;pork&quot; will save a lot of these Dems in Red Districts or Red States if they vote for either Single Player (effectively that&#039;s what the Dems will make it) or Cap &#039;n&#039; Tax. 
(Any Republicans who vote for it are even more &#039;Dead Men Walking&#039;...)

That&#039;s just a political reality that most of the people involved have already factored in. 

There&#039;s not enough tea in China to &quot;buy&quot; all the votes they need to pass this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No amount of &#8220;pork&#8221; will save a lot of these Dems in Red Districts or Red States if they vote for either Single Player (effectively that&#8217;s what the Dems will make it) or Cap &#8216;n&#8217; Tax.<br />
(Any Republicans who vote for it are even more &#8216;Dead Men Walking&#8217;&#8230;)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just a political reality that most of the people involved have already factored in. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s not enough tea in China to &#8220;buy&#8221; all the votes they need to pass this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: bobojake</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>bobojake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We will stop the NO-NO-ACCOUNTIBILITY  DEMOCRAT PARTY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will stop the NO-NO-ACCOUNTIBILITY  DEMOCRAT PARTY.</p>
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		<title>By: antisocial</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-291</link>
		<dc:creator>antisocial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have fillibuster proof majority. They have the votes. No spin will work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have fillibuster proof majority. They have the votes. No spin will work.</p>
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		<title>By: montanan</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>montanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No hard feelings IJB, but as bk pointed out, the bamster is willing to shell out billions to get fencesitters off the fence and into his yard. Plus, there are the RINO&#039;s that will betray the cause for a few more bacon bucks to take home. I hope you are right, but we all said that the bank takeover wouldn&#039;t happen and look how that turned out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No hard feelings IJB, but as bk pointed out, the bamster is willing to shell out billions to get fencesitters off the fence and into his yard. Plus, there are the RINO&#8217;s that will betray the cause for a few more bacon bucks to take home. I hope you are right, but we all said that the bank takeover wouldn&#8217;t happen and look how that turned out.</p>
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		<title>By: DerKrieger</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-289</link>
		<dc:creator>DerKrieger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain won AR handily with 67% of the vote and Lincoln and Pryor are both well aware of that fact.

Borrow my zip code and call them - 72714
Or if you want to call from a Little Rock Zip use 72223</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain won AR handily with 67% of the vote and Lincoln and Pryor are both well aware of that fact.</p>
<p>Borrow my zip code and call them &#8211; 72714<br />
Or if you want to call from a Little Rock Zip use 72223</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but clearly on the list of possible outcomes.

Evidence in favor of your prediction is:

http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/roll-call-president-obamas-oct-15th-deadline-for-health-reform-increasingly-difficult/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but clearly on the list of possible outcomes.</p>
<p>Evidence in favor of your prediction is:</p>
<p>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/roll-call-president-obamas-oct-15th-deadline-for-health-reform-increasingly-difficult/</p>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is that Nancy Pelosi will shut Republicans *out of the building*, let alone out of the process, during this process. 

And Reid will try to bride the Maine sisters, and then give a finger to all the other Republicans in trying to pass this. 

My guess is that it barely passes the House (guaranteeing probably another half-a-dozen vulnerable Dems losing their seats in 2010), and is never brought to a vote in the Senate, because not only does Reid fail to get both Maine sisters, but he&#039;ll lose somewhere between half-a-dozen to a dozen &#039;Red State&#039; Dems and so is never able to invoke Cloture. 
(Note: Much the same thing will happen to Cap &#039;n&#039; Tax in the Senate, which will probably never be heard from again in this Congress...) 

Obama&#039;s agenda is looking like it&#039;s going a whole lot of *nowhere* right now. 

These guys *blew* it by not starting with Card Check &amp; Amnesty first...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is that Nancy Pelosi will shut Republicans *out of the building*, let alone out of the process, during this process. </p>
<p>And Reid will try to bride the Maine sisters, and then give a finger to all the other Republicans in trying to pass this. </p>
<p>My guess is that it barely passes the House (guaranteeing probably another half-a-dozen vulnerable Dems losing their seats in 2010), and is never brought to a vote in the Senate, because not only does Reid fail to get both Maine sisters, but he&#8217;ll lose somewhere between half-a-dozen to a dozen &#8216;Red State&#8217; Dems and so is never able to invoke Cloture.<br />
(Note: Much the same thing will happen to Cap &#8216;n&#8217; Tax in the Senate, which will probably never be heard from again in this Congress&#8230;) </p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s agenda is looking like it&#8217;s going a whole lot of *nowhere* right now. </p>
<p>These guys *blew* it by not starting with Card Check &amp; Amnesty first&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-280</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is willing to listen, yes.

My sense is that the White House will not listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is willing to listen, yes.</p>
<p>My sense is that the White House will not listen.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Lane</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;I&gt;...it will do so more enthusiastically if Obama learns from the Clinton experience and rises to the educative role that he relishes. He must respect the thoughts, feelings and calculations of ordinary citizens who are not easily spun on important issues. People will take out their calculators when he lays out his plan, and he can&#039;t avoid speaking candidly about its costs and consequences. And he can&#039;t forget that he has a big story to tell about a changed America, one in which health care is but a pile of bricks in the new foundation he is laying.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In other words, the plan is doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>&#8230;it will do so more enthusiastically if Obama learns from the Clinton experience and rises to the educative role that he relishes. He must respect the thoughts, feelings and calculations of ordinary citizens who are not easily spun on important issues. People will take out their calculators when he lays out his plan, and he can&#8217;t avoid speaking candidly about its costs and consequences. And he can&#8217;t forget that he has a big story to tell about a changed America, one in which health care is but a pile of bricks in the new foundation he is laying.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>In other words, the plan is doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-278</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>may have a negative effect on the spending habits of Congress.

And it is happening as we speak...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>may have a negative effect on the spending habits of Congress.</p>
<p>And it is happening as we speak&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ColdWarrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-276</link>
		<dc:creator>ColdWarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://arizonateaparty.ning.com/events

I&#039;ll be at at least one.

I haven&#039;t decided to &quot;shrug&quot; yet.

Thank you.

I am only one.  But I am a conservative Republican precinct committeeman, one of about 2,000 in Maricopa County trying my darnedest to recruit more into the about 4,000 existing vacancies.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ll be at at least one.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t decided to &#8220;shrug&#8221; yet.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>I am only one.  But I am a conservative Republican precinct committeeman, one of about 2,000 in Maricopa County trying my darnedest to recruit more into the about 4,000 existing vacancies.</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>back when cap and trade was being voted on in the house?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>back when cap and trade was being voted on in the house?</p>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to look at the cap and tax payoffs in the House. They&#039;re more than willing to do the same in the Senate with cap and tax and in both chambers with health care.

&quot;Name your price.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to look at the cap and tax payoffs in the House. They&#8217;re more than willing to do the same in the Senate with cap and tax and in both chambers with health care.</p>
<p>&#8220;Name your price.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-272</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>warnings, like Stanley Greenberg, should be heeded, lest a big fall cometh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>warnings, like Stanley Greenberg, should be heeded, lest a big fall cometh</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from what I hear, the hustings have told Members of Congress over the July 4th break, just stop spending, OK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from what I hear, the hustings have told Members of Congress over the July 4th break, just stop spending, OK?</p>
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		<title>By: kyle8</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>kyle8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but I am very fearful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but I am very fearful.</p>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/07/06/clinton-pollster-polls-show-health-reform-could-fail-again/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that the Obama Dems will offer unlimited bribes to any fence-sitters. Just look at the billions that suddenly appeared for some of the last-minute yea votes in the House. If Obama has to find an extra 10 or $20 or $50 billion to convince a couple of Senators, so what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that the Obama Dems will offer unlimited bribes to any fence-sitters. Just look at the billions that suddenly appeared for some of the last-minute yea votes in the House. If Obama has to find an extra 10 or $20 or $50 billion to convince a couple of Senators, so what?</p>
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