The New York Times reports on Swine Flu Parties


The New York Times, of all places, ran an article about the debate among the top experts on pandemics if it is better to get the Swine Flu now or later.

“The idea has arisen from the history of the 1918 Spanish flu. A mild spring outbreak was followed by two deadly waves in the early and late winter of 1918-1919. Some believe, although there is little evidence beyond anecdotal reports in old newspapers, that those who got sick in the first wave were less likely to get sick in the second and third.

Many cite as the source of their thinking the book “The Great Influenza,” a history of the 1918 pandemic by John M. Barry.

Mr. Barry, in a telephone interview, said he had never publicly suggested deliberate self-infection, “but I used to joke with my wife, and I may have jokingly said it in speeches, that if a virus emerged and looked mild, I’d be on an airplane to Indonesia.”

He referred to Indonesia, he explained, ‘because that’s where the action is with [Bird Flu] H5N1.’”

The New York Times dig at it’s own profession, “old newspapers,” is especially hilarious because you can bet the “old newspapers” had a much higher chance of being accurate in a real life-or-death situation than those in today’s media who are consumed by fear-driven-hysterics about the mild Swine Flu.

What is the difference between looking to become infected with the Swine Flu and a vaccination?  Is the end result any different?  Oh, there are higher risks — back to the lets live and risk free world thing, huh?  And who says it is risky — the same people who have no vaccine and were wrong about virtually every single detail they reported about the Swine Flu for a week?  So, really, anyone should listen to those people?

I’ve always thought Olesen made the most sense out of all the pandemic experts.  Here is his take:

Michael Olesen, chief of infection control at Abbott Northwestern Hospital in Minneapolis and a flu pandemics expert, said he was not planning to seek out infection but was “taking a passive approach to getting infected.”

When he heard about the outbreak in Mexico, he said, he bought extra N95 face masks and had been planning to wear one on a flight to Detroit soon.

“Now I’m thinking of taking my chances” and forgoing the mask, he said. “That’s a change from a week ago. I think to myself, yeah, I’ll be miserable for a week — but that’ll beat maybe being seriously sick later.”

The experts who were reporting 176 deaths in Mexico from the Swine Flu have now said their were 17 deaths.  This inflated death toll was a classic case of the experts looking through the wrong end of the telescope.  They got it wrong by an order of magnitude of ten times.

To compound their error they did not test the population at large to find that thousands had had the Swine Flu with no symptoms.  Why?  They were scared.  They were so anxious to hit the alarm button, they saw 10 alarm fire and really, it was a couple of kids smoking cigarettes outside in the back of the school.

But the media and government elite are a prideful bunch.  Why admit a mistake?  But their credibility is shredded and they should admit they were wrong.

And the American public really does not like those who cry wolf.  It disrupts their lives.  It makes them annoyed and contemptuous of any future hysterics.

But The New York Times reports that the big problem with either actively or passively getting the Swine Flu is that there is no one to get it from:

many experts noted that there was a big flaw in any self-infection plan: it is not easy to find and cuddle up to someone with swine flu. There were only 642 confirmed cases in the country as of Wednesday.

Meanwhile, the CDC warns there is a “risk of complacency” on the part of the American public.  Maybe the public is complacent because, oh, I dunno know, there is nothing to worry about.

I met a Veterinarian on a plane on Sunday who said she thought her entire office had the Swine Flu about a month ago, in early April.  She said her symptoms fit the description of Swine Flu.  It could be that Swine Flu was in the U.S. since early April. She works on Long Island in NY.

Really, we are left with the usual question about how those crying-wolf could have been so wrong about everything about the Swine Flu: was it incompetence and fear that lead to hysterics or was it intentional and the media was complicit, to boost their Neilson ratings and therefore their ad revenue?


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I'm sure the Administration was just salivating

Achance (Diary) Thursday, May 7th at 12:03PM EST (link)

over the opportunity to impose quarantines and prohibit public gatherings and that sort of stuff to see what us bitter people with guns might do about it. Nothing like a good “crisis” for a test run.

The problem is that the public is so ignorant and superstitious and the media so complicit that the Administration could convince the public that there is a major outbreak even though no one could see any evidence. They had everyone convinced that the best economy in history was the “worst since the Great Depression.” We should never forget that. Comes the Revolution, the TV stations go first!

In Vino Veritas

 

More coverage than the NYT gave the Tea Parties

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, May 7th at 12:16PM EST (link)

I wonder if all the leftist press will now smirk while referring to “swine-bagging” as they cover this.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 

Honestly...

mikefisk (Diary) Thursday, May 7th at 12:18PM EST (link)

…I’m with the historian. I’d risk swine flu… heck, with the current figures being thrown around about it, I’d probably volunteer to be infected and sent home with a script for Tamiflu, a gallon of orange juice, and a 2-liter bottle of Vernor’s ginger ale. I’m not worried about my immune system’s ability to fight it off, might give me a day off in the process, and would definitely cause people around me to lose their minds.

It’s a win-win situation.

“Once within the maw of Leviathan, degree of digestion is irrelevant.” – Michael Fisk

9.25, -4.77

 

It is probably better to get it early than later

Greg (Diary) Thursday, May 7th at 12:27PM EST (link)

Wait until the hospitals are over whelmed with the sick and then try to get quality care… Last time I went to the emergency room I end up leaving after four wait and seeing my doctor via emergency visit for Kenned stones

 

Here's the thing

DefendUSA (Diary) Thursday, May 7th at 12:43PM EST (link)

Natural immunity isn’t a bad thing. When my children caught Chicken Pox, we had a party to get it out of the way. Unfortunately for me, I never managed to get them and I got them as an adult. Not fun, but I made it AND I have had shingles (12 years later).

From My own Blog:

As for the swine flu and the hype…groan
ARS, Bird Flu, and Swine Flu…all were responsible for the potential to reach epidemic proportions. But, they didn’t.
SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) caused quite a panic. In reality, worldwide there were 774 cases that resulted in death. Most of those were in Hong Kong and southern China. In the US, 8 cases were diagnosed, none fatal.
(http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/27/swine-flu-mexico-sars-business-healthcare-flu-hysteria.html)

Bird Flu…Well, in the US, there has been documentation since 1997, but most cases have been found in Asian populations. The virus that causes this is the H5N1.

And then we have Swine Flu. What is completely irritating as a person who loves epidemiology and lab research is this is the same virus that causes Influenza A, H1N1.

Granted, there may be mutations, but it is my opinion that calling it a pandemic or epidemic is unwarranted. The actual flu season is not over until May’s end. And so far with all the hype, 160 cases have been officially diagnosed with one fatality according to the CDC.

The testing for the seasonal flu seems to increase by about 100,000 per year, but roughly 25,000 of those tested are actually positive. I suspect that increased testing happens because several years have passed since a method of treatment was developed. Thus the regard for the effectiveness of the two drugs available for treatment, aka, Tamiflu or Relenza, has increased and it does seem make people recover more quickly.
The flu viruses appear to like cool, dry air.

• As of April 11th, this year, the cumulative statistics indicate that 178,393 patients have been tested for the flu. 25,407 of those were positively identified for type A and sub-yping for the H1N1, H3N2, and type B.
• For type H1N1, or there were 6,151 cases.

New stats show 662 cases confirmed, 2 deaths. Although the second death report shows conflict of the diagnosis in an AP article.
The vaccine that people can still get, if they didn’t will may offer minimal protection as it does contain H1N1, H3N2 and B strains.

A great article:
http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/publications/journals/afp/preprint/combat-h1n1.html

*starred thought*
To be a leader is to do the uncomfortable thing. Man up, Mr. President.

 

Whoops

DefendUSA (Diary) Thursday, May 7th at 12:45PM EST (link)

My blog was written several days ago and I have two different case numbers. Sorry. Last para shows the newest info.

*starred thought*
To be a leader is to do the uncomfortable thing. Man up, Mr. President.