Obama Chooses Sides In Favor of the Ground Zero Mosque


There Will Be No Triangle

Last night, as part of a Ramadan celebration, President Obama waded into the controversy over the Cordoba Initiative mosque within sight of Ground Zero. In so doing, he unambiguously chose sides with those who see this deliberate provocation as a positive good.

It is unsurprising, given what we already know about him, that President Obama would decline to support using government power to block the mosque project, and would decline to support withholding the various government favors needed to build it (although he carefully avoided mention of the State Department’s employment of the mosque’s Malaysian imam) – but he could have at a minimum used the opportunity to denounce in no uncertain terms what broad majorities of the public in and out of New York recognize: the fact that whatever the law says, the project itself is deeply and intentionally offensive. Especially when the president feels a matter is beyond his formal power, this is what the presidential bully pulpit is for. He has certainly not been shy in the past about speaking forcefully to denounce matters as provincial as a dispute between a professor and local cops in Cambridge. Instead, Obama offered only a tepid nod that failed to suggest he personally saw anything wrong with the selection of the Ground Zero location for a mosque:

Now, we must all recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of lower Manhattan. The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country. The pain and suffering experienced by those who lost loved ones is unimaginable. So I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground.

This could not be vaguer or less condemnatory if he was a paid flack for the Cordoba Institute. There’s not a glimmer of suggestion here that Cordoba has in any way done wrong. Indeed, he added this morning that he “was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom” of the mosque. By contrast, Obama pulled out the rhetorical stops in defense of the legal right to unhallow that ground:

But let me be clear: as a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are. The writ of our Founders must endure.

We must never forget those who we lost so tragically on 9/11, and we must always honor those who have led our response to that attack – from the firefighters who charged up smoke-filled staircases, to our troops who are serving in Afghanistan today.

Obama then turned his guns on the project’s critics, repeating the usual apologetic by non-Muslims about what is or is not Islam, designed to support the argument that there should be nothing offensive about a mosque at the spot where Islam was used by Muslims as a justification for mass murder:

And let us always remember who we are fighting against, and what we are fighting for. Our enemies respect no freedom of religion. Al Qaeda’s cause is not Islam – it is a gross distortion of Islam. These are not religious leaders – these are terrorists who murder innocent men, women and children. In fact, al Qaeda has killed more Muslims than people of any other religion – and that list of victims includes innocent Muslims who were killed on 9/11.

This ignores the fact that Al Qaeda’s motivation and justification for its political project – and indeed for its special vehemence against Muslims who dissent from its view – is a religious reading of Islam, shared at least in part by some significant number of Muslims such as the 76% of Pakistanis who support the death penalty for those who leave Islam. As I said in my prior post on this, Christians like Obama (or President Bush, for that matter), are not qualified to say what is or is not Islam; only Muslims can make that determination. It is right and good for the president to argue that we need to appeal to those Muslims who take this view, but that does not magically tranform the opposing view into something unrelated to Islam, or make it OK to build a mosque at the site of the greatest mass murder in the name of Islam in the Western Hemisphere.

Politically, there are two takeaways from this. One is that Obama has kicked the props away from the talking point that this is somehow a local issue on which national leaders should not opine, and in the process opened every Democrat in the country to questions about whether they, too, affirmatively support the Ground Zero Mosque.

And looking down the road, it also suggests something I’ve suspected for a while: Obama won’t be able to turn himself, after a likely Democratic debacle this November, into Bill Clinton. Democrats have staked their hopes on the idea that Obama will be able to rebound from losses this fall the way Clinton did, by moving to the middle. But the ‘triangulating’ move here would be to forcefully denounce the mosque while defending the right to build it. Obama doesn’t have that in him. He’s digging in instead with the left-wing bloggers who believe there to be no possible motivation but bigotry behind the majority’s revulsion at this project. Nothing that happens in November will give him the ability to see the world – or, indeed, a majority of his fellow Americans – any other way.


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Pick and Choose

atomicroach Saturday, August 14th at 2:03PM EST (link)

I wish Obama had the same respect for contracts as he now claims for religious freedom. The Chrysler and GM bondholders would have appreciated some adherence to “Founding Principles” .

Perfect!

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 4:51PM EST (link)

That is so true. Bambi has a very convenient memory for when and where he likes to apply “founding principles.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 

Still waiting for a comment from Obama on the murder of Christian aid workers by the Taliban

SoFiMil (Diary) Monday, August 16th at 6:31AM EST (link)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/07/AR2010080700822.html

www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com

Don't hold your breath

renny (Diary) Monday, August 16th at 9:55AM EST (link)

little o converted (from what?) to Christianity into the Chicago Trinity Church of I-hate-America at 26 (according to his memoirs), but we have no baptismal cert. either.

The family has been to “church” once since his in inauguration and didn’t celebrate either Christmas or Easter. Must be a Christianity of another kind. So, why would he care whom the Taliban kills?

 
 

Contractors vow to boycott any Cordoba House mosque building

renny (Diary) Monday, August 16th at 9:51AM EST (link)

Andy Sullivan, a construction work in Queens, has started a website petition for construction workers to sign that they will not participate in building the proposed Cordoba House 2 blocks from the WTC.

It is The 911 Hard Hat Pledge.

You can find it at bluecollarcorner.com.

So far, according to the NY Post, over 100 building-contractor-related individuals and businesses have pledged themselves, even in this ec. climate.

Some pledgees include a computer programmer, a union carpenter, and a production sheet manager in a machine shop. All claim neither they nor their businesses or co-workers will work for the WTC-Muslim center.

Pass the Sullivan idea along. Maybe better than gov’t intervention. It’s capitalism at work.

 
 

You use the wrong terminology with "decline to support."

spainishirish (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 2:03PM EST (link)

Obama and his State Department have actively supported this mosque, even though many Muslim leaders have warned that it would indeed send the wrong signal. I don’t know the president’s motives here, but Mayor Bloomberg has been little more than his whore. This is a local issue in that the citizens of NYC can give the lifestyle fascist mayor grief, and a national issue in that rather than plug a gaping whole left by psychotic religious fanatics we argue about whether to, in their minds, reward them.

This isn’t about religion. It is about taste, and Obama and Bloomberg have none, which is no surprise to anyone who has watched these Peter Principle cretins destroy a city and a nation.

 

Wahhabi Islamic Center

AndrewHyman (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 2:06PM EST (link)

Osama Bin Laden is a member of the Wahhabi sect of Sunni Islam. So shouldn’t Obama and Bloomberg be urging that the proposed Islamic Center at Ground Zero be a Wahhabi Center?

Apparently it WILL be a Wahhabi center

AndrewHyman (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 2:46PM EST (link)

So says this piece from the NY Post:

http://m.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/behind_the_mosque_yXUJDCpszRLF9dG1heLU1H

The Saudi's are paying for it, so I would be surprised if it wasn't Wahhabi

JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 2:54PM EST (link)

nt

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

Saudis also paid for food, lodging and the airplane tickets for the terrorists

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 2:55PM EST (link)

So I wonder what else that tells us.

I am starting to wonder if the House of Saud didn't buy and pay for Obama as well.

spainishirish (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 2:59PM EST (link)

It could well be the reason. . .

msctex (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 4:30PM EST (link)

. . .his education has been so completely shrouded. Somebody might follow the money on his tuition. Because contrary to popular opinion, I don’t think he was ever scholarship-level bright.

Obama's college transcripts were sealed for a reason, and I assume they confirm he is a mediocrity.

spainishirish (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 5:00PM EST (link)

But who knows?

Obama probably failed lunch. [nt]

SoFiMil (Diary) Monday, August 16th at 11:00PM EST (link)

..

www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com

 
 

I'm reasonably certain that his college records

Achance (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 5:13PM EST (link)

would confirm that some foreign entity or person paid for his college and might well also confirm that he was admitted as some sort of foreign student. Even if he was only a recipient of an affirmative action admission and financial aide, the story of just how he came to get into two elite schools and have their be practically no public record of his life is tantalizing.

My own belief is that he is a Red Diaper Baby and some amalgam of his communist and Muslim ties are what enabled to to rise to prominence. He’s a lot closer to a Manchurian Candidate, I think, than most of us want to think about.

In Vino Veritas

Honestly. . .

msctex (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 5:37PM EST (link)

. . .I’m willing to guess mediocre student financed in part by the Sauds, working in some sort of loose alliance with hard-core Leftists like Davis and Alinsky, toward a Manchurian Candidate sort of end. As crazy as it sounds, that’s the puzzle all these fragmented pieces seem to form. He’s clearly not a brilliant mind, and his background and the people he has associated with since childhood scream that he is influenced by some of the worst people on Earth. What are we to believe, that he willingly associated with all these elements, yet somehow remained above it all? Please.

Speculation

AndrewHyman (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 5:47PM EST (link)

Absent concrete information, it’s probably not helpful to speculate about college financial support and that sort of thing.

On the other hand, we do have solid, concrete information that the leader of Libya (Ghaddafi) claims that he may have helped orchestrate fundraising for Obama’s presidential campaign.

http://www.redstate.com/andrewhyman/2008/10/19/the-leader-of-libya-has-spoken

But that’s something the American people knew about in 2008, and voted him in anyway, so I guess it’s water under the bridge.

I would usually agree.

msctex (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 6:02PM EST (link)

But some gaps in our knowledge, by their very existence, cannot help but imply a worst-case scenario. This is especially true in the background or history of any man of any sort of true import. He should be the first to acknowledge and trumpet the innocuous truth of such gaps, lest rumor do damage. But the opposite is here the case, and for long enough that it is obvious they are content with the status quo. And personally, I find it almost axiomatic that it always ends up worse than anything we could even imagine.

 

What percentage of the mind-numbed American electorate knew that?

Achance (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 7:20PM EST (link)

We have reached a Dark Ages level of ignorance and superstition in this Country, especially among the under-30 and minority population. We are way past the point where we can really have a functioning republican democracy, yet we still keep putting our faith in the electorate that votes for the last best commercial.

In Vino Veritas

Crazy as it sounds. . .

msctex (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 7:36PM EST (link)

. . .and though I can identify with the sentiment, realistically that’s probably not the case. With advances in science and technology comes a more educated populace, if just due to possibility for exposure to things they want to understand. Do they vote their own interests? Not last time. Are they still mind numbingly stupid? Sure, some. But the Dark Ages analogy is a little strong. The wonder of it is, is that Leftism is its own antidote. It just needs to be put to practice on a scale large enough to do what it does: not function or mis-function or malfunction — however you want to put it — then people are forced to vote their own interests. There will always be diehards, but these are essentially religious fanatics, and are beyond help. Check the Independent voters’ latest trends. We’re going to be all right.

 

The fact is Art, a majority abandoned American democracy in 2008

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Sunday, August 15th at 7:49AM EST (link)

Our founders provided us with the Constitution and other documents as a historical basis and centerpiece for our democracy. These are not “living”, changeable documents in aspects of the core functioning beliefs and principals which under-gird our republic. Yet for years liberals and other like minded zealots who want to subvert our country, diminish those principals and supplant them with their own ridiculous notions have been allowed to thrive. They have attacked and subverted our history, infiltrated and increased the power of our unelected branch to write destructive liberal principals into law and used judicial fiats to override the true peoples will.

So given this recitation, it is no small coincidence that, under a covert banner, they would their set sights on corrupting our nation from the highest elected office. Yes, I know, the MSM and a generation of brainwashed Stepford Wives said we were paranoid, racist relics destined to quash the historical moment “we” were all pining for. Yet much of this man’s history and razor thin record was never very high on the list of voters who probably did more research before buying their Prius or their latest healthy snack food, than investigating this empty vessel of the liberal-socialist movement; it was all just Republican political nonsense and Rush Limbaugh- you know.

Any American that voted for Obama should be ashamed and angry at those who treated them as just an end to a means. They were perceived as ignorant. malleable products of liberal brainwashing- easily swayed by propaganda and influenced more by deliberately developed self-guilt than common sense. Ultimately, they have noone but themselves to blame. I just hope they don’t make the same mistake twice.

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

 
 

Yes and no

Dan McLaughlin (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 8:38PM EST (link)

We know there are known unknowns (his grades, what classes he took, how he got into Columbia), and we reasonably suspect there are unknown unknowns.

There are answers we deserved and never got.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill

 
 
 
 

Obama's grades

banzaibob (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 7:51PM EST (link)

I suspect Obama’s grades were either mediocre or they were inflated to avoid a racist charge. After college Obama thought the his skin color would open many doors due to affimative action and when the only private company got wind of his true talents they pideon holed him somewhere and he left to become the great community organizer.

Like Fidel Castro who was turned away by major league baseball Obama wanted to get even with the capitalist society. Sigh, if he wer the president of some company running it into the ground instead of the whole country.

Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas
It’s better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees!
Emiliano Zapata

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

R.I.P., Democratic Party

msctex (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 2:08PM EST (link)

When historians look back upon the tumultuous period we are currently enduring, they may well see the decision of an American President to embrace and justify the fundamental ideology of an avowed enemy as the final nail in the coffin of his own dying political party.

The Democratic Party has been dying since the Civil Rights era, as they managed to both stand in its way yet claim credit for its successes. Their shamelessly hypocritical feigned opposition to the Iraq War was the act of the drowning man pulling all around him beneath the water. But here, a sitting President has drawn an unmistakable line in the sand, of which there are only two possibilities for overt support, with no room for equivocation of any kind. This is a “with us or against us” moment, which could easily have been avoided by a wiser man.

Precisely. Obama is taking the Left and the Democrats down with him.

spainishirish (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 2:29PM EST (link)

The first shoe to drop won’t even be the Democrats’ loss of Congress this fall, either. Idiotic House and Senate Democrats only now realize they have been sacrified. The first shoe to drop will be the nationwide repudiation of Obama and the Left. The second shoe to drop, the purification of institutions like the Academy corrupted by the Left, will be where the rubber meets the road.

We must stay focused on taking out Democrats this autumn and then turn our attentions to the greater battles we face.

True. But how?

msctex (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 3:46PM EST (link)

We obviously need to address both the Media and the schools, as these are the areas the Left has clearly seized influence.

But it is the way we go about it that will prove of ultimate import. Instead of going in with a “heads must roll” approach and giving them the opportunity to cry censorship, I think all we really need do is find a way to insist that the opposing (Conservative) point of view be presented. Simple as that. Because when juxtaposed, Reason and Function will always win out, when accurately presented. Every time.

 
 

Not until they're confirmed dead, buried in hallowed ground, and slathered in salty, crispy bacon will I believe this.

acat (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 2:35PM EST (link)

There are too many people on the dole, on the take (and sometimes both) for the Dems to go down.

Maybe the moderates will get their hands around the throats of Daily Kos and his ilk for a while, but .. the show will go on.

What Conservatives need to do is to make sure that, while our opponent is in disarray, we do not let too many RINOs into our own tent.

Mew

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self-portrait

“All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost”. –Tolkein

Oh, something will be there.

msctex (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 2:56PM EST (link)

Something will occupy the space left by the Democratic Party — some unsteady rudderless amalgam of Progressives and Leftists which stands for nothing other than Not Being Conservative Republicans. But as for the notion of a viable political entity with ideas that function when put to practice, no — what little was left of that possibility has likely just been put to rest forever. That is what I meant by the death of the Party. I wasn’t implying they will not pretend it hasn’t happened, nor that there won’t be something in its stead.

I hope you are correct

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 2:59PM EST (link)

But I hoped that we would not have to have the debate over whether Communism was a good thing after Reagan won the Cold War, but here we are, in less than a generation.

Choose your enemies wisely, for you will become like them [nt]

acat (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 3:06PM EST (link)

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self-portrait

“All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost”. –Tolkein

 

The battle for freedom is never definitively won, but it can be definitively lost

JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 3:13PM EST (link)

You may recall a statement by an IRA leader to PM Thatcher about only needing to succeed once.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 

Perhaps it was not yet won.

msctex (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 5:44PM EST (link)

But is being won — by default — now. I would argue today and more than likely until November is the end of the Cold War: a bloodless ideological balancing of scales.

The absolute wonder of these people is, that as Rand observed half a century ago, nothing they do ever works. What can you say about a political philosophy whose most spectacular failures are in direct proportion to the amount of power it wields? They are fine when pretending to be the loyal opposition. But their fatal mistake was winning both the Congress and Presidency simultaneously, and having only these pathetic attacks on GWB to fall back upon.

 
 

Kaine Warns Democrats Against Bashing Party Leaders

izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 3:02PM EST (link)

Kaine Warns Democrats Against Bashing Party Leaders

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/13/kaine-warns-democrats-against-bashing-party-leaders

LOL, now Obama has just made that request almost impossible for any Christian democrat (if there is such a thing?)

I think Obama has really acted stupidly here….on this mosque debate…..

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Stupid is as stupid does...

bonsage Saturday, August 14th at 7:48PM EST (link)

Obama IS stupid, and that’s becoming more clear every day. It should be something we repeat and repeat until it begins to sink in with the electorate: we (you! not us) elected a stupid, shallow anti-American as President of the United States and that’s a mistake which must be recognized and rectified.

 
 

It happened so suddenly many have not realized the Democratic Party has imploded.

spainishirish (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 3:03PM EST (link)

A compliant, state-run media kept them in power from the Depression until Reagan, but that propaganda machine has imploded. That is only one of many reasons the Democrats are down for the count this time, not the least of which is they have governed against the will of the American people. Yes, there will be something that slithers from the ashes but it won’t have the influence the Democrats once did.

Good riddance.

A small but telling point: Obama's approval rating

throwback59 Saturday, August 14th at 3:52PM EST (link)

has just fallen to 43% in the Gallup daily tracking poll, an all time low. This was before his support of the mosque. No telling how low it will go now.

Ah, but the more interesting numbers...

acat (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 4:16PM EST (link)

are the ones like this little tidbit from Gallup:

“Even the Poor are Abandoning Obama”
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/71089

(yes, this is CNS, the data they’re riffing on is Gallup’s weekly poll here: http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx)

When Obama the Community Organizer loses the community…

Mew

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“All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost”. –Tolkein

 
 

Not sure "imploded" is the right word.

acat (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 4:23PM EST (link)

I’m kinda hoping for “shattered”.

At the moment, I think the Dems are all iced up, frozen together like a bag of store-bought ice cubes – just waiting for a hard thump on the sidewalk to break their cohesion and scatter them in all directions.

I’ve said before that the parties are due for a re-shuffling – the Dems have some natural allies of the Conservatives and there are plenty of RINOs who’d be happier allied with the leading blights of the Far Left.

We’ll see what happens. If nothing else, “interesting times”.

Mew

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self-portrait

“All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost”. –Tolkein

I was thinking of the Chinese curse. . .

msctex (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 4:28PM EST (link)

. . .when I settled on “tumultuous period” above.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Two data points tell you everything you need to know about Obama

JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 2:52PM EST (link)

Contrast his comments with his comments about the arrest of the Harvard professor.

Obama is not only a socialist, but he is a genuine fool. I don’t think there is a better example of our flawed “higher education” system than Obama.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

We are going to have to embrace the concept. . .

msctex (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 5:48PM EST (link)

. . .of the Educated Fool. A diploma is irrelevant if nothing one believes can pass the tests of Reason and Utility. And these are the men and women currently in charge: a New Dumb, augmented by the genuinely stupid, such as Pelosi, Boxer, Kucinich, Franken, etc.

 
 

Predicable

teapartypatriots Saturday, August 14th at 3:22PM EST (link)

Who can be surprised at this further betrayal of America?
HIS NAME IS “H-U-S-S-E-I-N”!!!!!

 

What's next?

pauly1620 (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 3:31PM EST (link)

A Presidential declaration that there should be a Shinto shrine across from the USS Arizona Memorial??!

I am NOT opposed to Muslims building mosques in this country. As an agnostic I respect everyones’ right to freedom of religion. I am however against the chosen site for the “Ground Zero” mosque. It is highly insensitive and inappropriate, especially to those of us that lost loved ones and relatives at “Ground Zero” that fateful day. And for those, like Mr. Ali Hasan of Colorado, that use the “private property” argument, I retort: Fine. Then Muslims should have no objection to pig farms, breweries, distilleries, strip clubs, gay wedding chapels, or dog kennels located next to established mosques so long as they too are built on “private property.” [I would be personally opposed to such structures being built next to an established mosque as inappropriate and insensitive, however fair is fair.]

And for those keeping count, there are over 1,200 mosques in the United States. The number of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues in Saudi Arabia: Zero! As such, any claims of “bigotry” or “racism” rings hollow in my ears in regard to the opposition to the “Ground Zero” mosque. Race and religious baiting at its worst.

Once again, President Obama has shown that he would rather apologize for his “fellow” Americans than to take a stand for his constituents (aka his bosses). Fortunately, with missteps like this one, Mr. Obama is ensuring that he will have but one term in office. For that, I am extremely thankful!

If you’re incompetent you have to be honest, and if you’re crooked you have to be clever.
“The Rule of the City” ~Sir Desmond Glazebrook

Beat me to it

TheYeomanFarmer (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 11:08PM EST (link)

I was thinking the same thing about a Shinto shrine at Pearl Harbor.

As discussed in another post, the thing is,

cactusjack Saturday, August 14th at 11:21PM EST (link)

though we fought them bitterly, the Japanese because of their culture, would never, never ask for or tolerate such, in proximity to the USS Arizona memorial or Ford Island. Their culture is very attuned to harmony of elements, respect for the dead, etc. They might ask for a Shinto shrine somewhere else on Oahu near extant Japanese communities if even that much, but not next to Arizona. Their ancient, foreign-to-us culture “gets it” like these pro-mosque people don;t, or don;t want to. This is important because the libs are always trying to frame us as insensitive to foreign cultures. It’s the other way around, most foreign cultures must think we are nuts for even considering allowing this.

 
 
 

Triangulation - Against the People?

lukematthews (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 3:36PM EST (link)

The Dear Leader has taken some unpopular stands in the past, but this one is downright weird. While I understand this fits in perfectly with his Islamist strategy of making them feel all accepted and warm and fuzzy, does he not have a serious problem with the Optics on this one. If he was worried about people speaking his middle name because it made him look like a Muslim, what is catering to this imam going to do?
He’s generally got decent political instincts. Until we conservatives and independents made the argument, health care deform, crap and tax, and financial takeover were popular. This is a clear dog as an issue for him. It makes him look like a toady of Islam and against the populace.
I really can’t understand their political stands right now. They are almost working for defeat.

 

remember to always look at what the other hand is doing

sayoung80913 (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 3:44PM EST (link)

The latest analysis appearing in the MSM, over the past 48 hours, regarding our country’s just-announced Q2 2010 Gross Domestic Product (GDP) metrics indicates that initial estimates of 2.4% growth–which also infers stagnant job creation–may have been overestimated by as much as 100%, or more. Pending “adjustments” to these numbers–in the government’s first revision, which will be provided a few weeks from now–tell us actual Q2 2010 GDP results may end up anywhere from below 1% to 1.2% or 1.3%.

This is abysmal, especially when it’s taken in context with the reality that the ongoing (and growing) conventional wisdom and forecast consensus in U.S. economic circles for the second-half of this year is (and has been for awhile) for these numbers to worsen. In other words, the chances of either a double-dip recession and/or an economic relapse into negative GDP territory–signifying a rather massive, formal extension of the existing recession with increasing unemployment as we head into the last 80 days of the mid-term election season–have increased substantially in recent weeks. This is why Gibbs went off half cocked last week- he was trying to divert attention away from this piece of good news. Too bad Al Gore invented the internet and we can pull up back dated stories. Similarly, Obama made his notorious mosque statement last night- to rule the news cycle, and then basically back pedalled and voted present on it this morning. Shocker, my antennae was up, so I scoured the papers and blogs for the bad news they were hoping to hide and came across the WSJ posting a story saying their “HINDENBERG scenario” or whatever it is called points to the stock market crashing next month. Ladida- nothing to see hear, move along folks- so typical and so tired. We’ve been played obviously.

 

The Guardian

K. (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 5:43PM EST (link)

…among other papers reports that the site is not visible from Ground Zero. Is there some source for this?

 

Unconstitutional and impeachable act

1stRichard (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 6:00PM EST (link)

It is the matter to be resolved in the court of public opinion not in the in the federal courts or the executive branch, by getting involved this is a clear breach on the separation of powers. A violation that must not be ignored.

Next problem, does the Constitution, the original intent of the Constitution matter any more?

 

"The occupant " of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave does not even attempt to disguise what he is anymore.

jdw4america (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 6:13PM EST (link)

Remember before the election? He was grateful that Sen. McCain had chosen not to make “my Muslim faith…my Christian faith an issue.” Such a slip surely had Freud trying to dig himself out of his grave to highlight it – and he was a self-loathing, non-practicing Jew!

What person of any religion confuses that religion with another? Especially one that is so philosophically and foundationally so different?

He insists upon promoting a positive spin for this one religion, while sneering at the beliefs of all others, most especially Judaism and Christianity. He is the perfect Riyadhian Candidate, because he appeals to all things leftist in America. He’s the right color, because “everyone knows” only racists will oppose him; he’s an intellectual elitist, which sends the left into orgasm; and he is anti-American, which is the indispensable quality for any serious democrat contender. That he openly flaunts his desire to destroy our great nation is icing on the cake.

The left, with its usual lack of insight and wisdom, is so bent on hating this great nation, that it eagerly embraces anyone who actively seeks our downfall. None of the idiots ask themselves what will fill the void if their dream of a post-American era comes to pass? Look at history, damn it!!! The Muslims seek not to conform to Western culture, but to rid the world of it!! Those idiots throughout the West who believe that they are “no different” from us are ignorant of both their own civilization and the civilization of our self-proclaimed enemy.

Forty years ago, the issue of permitting our enemies to flaunt their mass murder in our in our streets would have been unimaginable. Amongst decent people, it still is. God help our country if this abomination is permitted to rise.

exactly my point re triskaidekaphobia column: Obama has given up on pretense and

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 7:02PM EST (link)

probably re-election as of Friday the 13th, 2010

http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2010/08/14/obamas-friday-the-13th-ground-zero-mo/

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 

Obama's Approval of the Mosque at Ground Zero

Michael Dugas (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 6:17PM EST (link)

Isn’t shocking at all. In his book he forewarned that he would come down on the side of the Muslims when push comes to shove.
I find it very interesting that a tax free entity has been approved in a high tax area like Manhattan. Many churches have been turned down for just that reason which is why more and more you find churches being built on the outskirts of towns or in low tax/revenue areas.

Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”

Remember: A Citizen on the dole is a Liberal Vote at the Polls.
END ENTITLEMENTS!

Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum !

 

I'm glad little o is supporting another loser issue

renny (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 6:47PM EST (link)

I’d like to those in support of the mosque (not Redstaters) who keep noting the mosque will be two (2! TWO!!) blocks from the former twin towers, you can see the complex from blocks away.

Building 14, one of the first to go back up, can be seen for several blocks, and it is by no means a huge tower.

The point of the mosque is to declare a victory for Islam where 3000 non-combative, surprised and ambushed American and foreign citizens were attacked by Muslin terrorists who proclaimed their act in the name of Allah and Islam.

The mosque supporters have many places in NYC and Manhattan to establish a place of worship. Downtown NYC is probably not even a good location as few areas are residentail. The religious buildings there are mostly landmarks that were built when the city was a village clustered around its wall, from which Wall Street gets its name.

61% of New Yorkers oppose the mosque at that site and New Yorkers are famously tolerant and very familiar with US religious freedom.

For those uninformed people who have somehow decided the opposition to the mosque is a Republican issue, I would remind them New York has 3-1 Dem. registrarion, so the 61% who oppose the mosque includes many more Dems. than the other party.

renny you're right. 5s.

cactusjack Saturday, August 14th at 7:08PM EST (link)

My personal barometer is my in-laws. Union type Democrats. They drive Chevrolets, have a kid, love sports. They voted for Clinton twice and thought he was a pretty good President. But their mild stomach upset that started with the 0 a year ago has turned to a kind of anger I can’t explain. They actually tried to apologize to me once, I think, but I’m not the one to apologize to. They assumed we (Wife and I)voted for McCain and we did. The 0 is ripping up the entrails of his party and this is another one.

 
 

Obama is a Muslim

georgeinla (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 7:10PM EST (link)

He was born a Muslim, based on his father. He was raised a Muslim by his stepfather. He enrolled in school as a Muslim. His college roommates at Occidental were Muslim foreign students. He traveled to Pakistan to visit his Muslim friends and associates when he graduated.

Yes, for political reasons when he moved to Chicago he joined a black “church” on the South Side, which church apparently was not organized along the lines of Christianity, but instead black nationalism. But he left that church two years ago, and I’ve seen nothing to indicate that he’s joined another.

Meanwhile, there’s the bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia, the apologies made to the Muslim world, the disrespect of Bibi, the redefinition of NASA policies and now this. How much more evidence do people need? The man is a Muslim, and probably subscribes to the general belief that America should become a more sharia-friendly and -compliant place.

Hi. I am a moby Greenie lawyer from Los Angeles who was not nearly smart enough to hide my tracks. Please assess my opinions accordingly.

This is true, Obama is a Muslim but when I said that

Tbone (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 10:40PM EST (link)

during the election there were a bunch of posters that said “Oh no, he says he’s a Christian and we must take his word.” IDIOTS

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

I dont know if *he* knows what he is, but the point

cactusjack Sunday, August 15th at 12:02AM EST (link)

is as any developmental psychologists not afraid of the truth could tell us, Obama was programmed or inculcated with core Muslim and Indonesian/SE Asian inputs in his early life. That stuff got tamped down in there deep in his psyche, took root, and now 30 years he expresses it or acts on, whether subconsciously or consciously, the result, and accompanying disdain for any of our traditions or American culture, are obvious. And in this line of anaylsis, you can bet nothing is going to change much with his goals and how he acts the next two years, from the first two years. In a coldly political calculating way, that is good for us if we can just survive it….

 
 
 

Democrats on a cliff

simplyright4me Saturday, August 14th at 7:57PM EST (link)

This shows us just another example that the man is just not much of anything at all. He is not in any way capable of understanding what an American is. He has spent too many years learning the opposite and it shows. I am amazed every day as to how the American people that voted for this person configured their thoughts into a reasonable premiss to be able to vote yes. Will the Democrats all follow Obama off the cliff or will they go ahead and lame duck cape and trade and amnesty. He has no compunction with slapping the face of the American voter and up to now neither has the Democrats, but this ungodly Mosque may be an excuse to through him under the bus for a change. I see that or Dems may not see the light of day for many years, at least I hope for this to be. This is a sad time for our Country, trully sad.

 

Flawed Logic and Ignorance of the Law

theradix Saturday, August 14th at 10:14PM EST (link)

Your piece may be full of passion, but its logic is flawed, and it reveals an ignorance of constitutional law.

First, to argue that a person should be permitted to exercise their right to freedom of worship in no way suggests that one also has to aggree with the tenants of their religion – which is essentiall what you are suggesting President Obama is doing. To say Christians have the right to worship and exercise their faith does not require that one embrace the ideas of that religion, or endorse its actions.

Second, the argument that there is a difference between “the exertion of a legal right, and supporting the exercise of a right that is offensive” has no foundation in law. Rights are rights, and they mean nothing unless they are enforced generally and without discrimination. There are narrow exceptions, such as the exceptional limiations on free speech, but they are grounded in principle and applied generally. There is no principled basis for suggesting that Muslims ought not to enjoy the same rights of freedom of religion as the rest of the country. And the right to freely worship is indeed one of the founding principles of this country.

Third, to anologise between Islam, one of the 5 great religions in the world (the others being Christianity, Judaeism, Buddhism, and the Hindu faith), and fringe Satanic cults is ridiculous.

The key point is that 9/11 was not an attack that can be attributed to an entire religion or faith. It was the act of a few acting in the name of their faith, but that is no different than many other terrorist organizations which try to gain legitimacy and a following by laying claim to represent some larger collective. We do not attribute the horror of the holocaust to all Christians, though the Nazis were Christians and were motivated by religious hatred.

Gamma @ The Radix (www.theradix.net).

Here is some "passion" for you...what a bunch of CRAP...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 10:21PM EST (link)

the Nazi’s you left loon were NOT Christians they were freaking lefties you know like you!

 

"The Nazis were Christian."

eburke (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 10:34PM EST (link)

Yeah that’s why Christian thought and Biblical quotations were found throughout Hitler’s writing.

But way to trot out the moral equvalence card.

This has *nothing* to do with religious freedom and everything to do with insensitivity and causing intentional offense. But then again, I’m assuming that if someone opened a gay bar on one side of the mosque, and an open air market specializing in bacon and pork on the other side, you’d be all in favor of that and defend the rights of these proprietor’s to do so.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Unified Patriots

ROTFLMAO!...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 10:37PM EST (link)

“But then again, I’m assuming that if someone opened a gay bar on one side of the mosque, and an open air market specializing in bacon and pork on the other side, you’d be all in favor of that and defend the rights of these proprietor’s to do so.”

that there is made of teh AWESOME :)

Awwww, shucks, Jaded /blushing

eburke (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 10:41PM EST (link)

You made me feel so special that I think I’ll go have another Jack & Coke just to celebrate :-)

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Unified Patriots

 
 
 

Your "logic" in this piece of cat turd is everybit as bad

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 10:42PM EST (link)

as both your spelling and your previous comment of three months ago on SB1070. I’m sorry I missed the opportunity to skewer you on that cat box resident.

You can leave now.

 

Hard to know where to start with this one

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 10:54PM EST (link)

But just a few points:

1) Who made you judge of what passes for a “real” religion? Did the Constitution enumerate the Big 5, and extend its protections to only those religions? So Satanists and Wiccans don’t get protection because they don’t make your little list? Who chooses? You?

2) Do you understand the difference between the right to worship and the right to build anything you want anywhere you want to? Between freedom of religion and a building permit? Or do you believe I have the right to build a poultry farm next to your backyard?

3) “We do not attribute the horror of the holocaust to all Christians, though the Nazis were Christians and were motivated by religious hatred.”
Really? So that’s WWII boiled down to a nutshell? Are you that ignorant of history? The Nazis were really Christian Jihadists all along, huh? Ever hear of Dietrich Bonhoeffer?

Pathetic, lightweight commentary not worthy of a subject of this nature. Save this crap for Kos – it’ll fly there.

Call em what they were, really the Nazis were

cactusjack Saturday, August 14th at 11:14PM EST (link)

throwback Pagans. Complete with runic symbology and a dark warrior cult. Although they affected much of its trappings, I’m not even sure it would be fair to Norse mythology to describe the Nazis as neo-Norse mythologists. No, Pagan hits it best.

Exactly

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 11:21PM EST (link)

The lame “Nazis were Christians” meme simply will not die.

Christian is as Christian does - or thinks - sometimes

cactusjack Sunday, August 15th at 12:12AM EST (link)

in WW2 I don’t think Hitler worried about any religious concerns whatsover, by anybody’s definitions. . In contrast, across the Channel,there was an imperfect man with a few minor vices, but , who was doing the best he could as he understood Right, and wrote in his memoir narrative of WW2 during the Battle of Britain phase, “in these days I often think of our Lord.” (Winston Churchill). If the Marxist revisionists want to lump these polar opposites in the same cultural or religious cast, well, they are hopeless, and wrong.

 
 
 
 

Two points

Bill S (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 11:06PM EST (link)

1. No, the Nazis were NOT Christians. You might read this for further info
2. I suspect Dan posesses more knowledge of law in his right big toenail than you have, so I’d back off the law school lecture if I were you.

Oh, and one other thing to you and the other dipwads who keep blathering about freedom of religion: denying someone permission to build a church or mosque at a particular location doesn’t deny them freedom to worship – they just have to build it elsewhere. It’s called “zoning” and it is quite legal.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 

First, idiot lefty, it is religious tenets; tenants are renters.

Achance (Diary) Saturday, August 14th at 11:09PM EST (link)

Now that we’ve established how well educated you are with your undoubtedly recent government school education, let us speak of the Constitution; something you obviously know little about.

Islam is NOT a religion as that word has meaning in the West. It is a system of believe predicated on theocracy and it makes no distinction between the sacred and the secular. It does not tolerate unbelievers except for the other “children of the book” which it allows to live without conversion if they accept a diminished status.

Islam is absolutely incompatible with a republican democracy. Consequently, anyone who lives in our Republic must either be unfaithful to Islam or be unfaithful to our Republic. I am of the belief that most Muslims if they were forced to choose would be unfaithful to our Republic. This belief is enhanced by the fact that their theocratic belief system countenances, even encourages, lying to infidels to advance the cause of Islam, so we will never be able to trust a Muslim. That “peaceful” Iman that wants to build a center for peace and brother is just laughing his ass off when he’s with his buddies about stupid infidels like you not only allowing but incourageing building a triumphal mosque at the site of Islams great triumph over the Great Satan.

In Vino Veritas

These "M" words are marking their territory!

dambama Monday, August 16th at 1:40PM EST (link)

Dogs do it.

 
 

If you really understood Christianity

lineholder (Diary) Sunday, August 15th at 2:31AM EST (link)

you would know that the covenant between God and the line of Abraham through Isaac is something that is both precious and sacred as far Christians are concerned because this is the lineage of Jesus. No Christian would violate that covenant by willingly choosing to slaughter millions of the Jewish people.

It is far more likely that any profession of Christian faith by the Nazis was an act of deceitfulness for the sole purpose of attempting to justify their murderous actions. Or maybe that thought hadn’t occurred to you?

Hitler specifically said that the historical Christianity of Germany

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, August 16th at 1:43PM EST (link)

was an obstacle that he needed to overcome.

An obstacle to be overcome is the opposite of being the resevoir from which Nazism sprang forth.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 
 

The Nazis claimed Christianity to make their violent bigotry palatable. nt

taxpayer1234 (Diary) Sunday, August 15th at 3:18AM EST (link)

I just love people who are ignorant of history.

timchgo9 (Diary) Monday, August 16th at 9:33AM EST (link)

Where did you ever get the idea that the Nazi’s were “christian”? Sure, Hitler invoked the name of “Providence” throughout many of his speeches, but, his suppression of the Christian churches throughout Germany is pretty well known (Read, “The Rise and Fall of the Third Riech, it’s a long book with no pictures, but I am sure you can handle it) In fact, crosses, bibles, and other “Christian” elements were not allowed in German churches after, oh 1937, I think. Not only that, the Nazi’s also went on to try and “de-Judiaize” the Bible, especially the Old Testament. There was no reverence for Christ, no reverence for life, humanity, or anything like that in the Nazi regime. The above post referencing the Nazi’s and Pagan is a pretty much hitting it on the head. Hitler loved Teutonic and Aryan mythology, and he saw himself in that light.

However, in the light of German anti-Jewish measures, one must remember that anti-Semitism was rife across Europe. Germany had some accomplices in the killing of the Jews, most notably the French, Romanians, and Lithuanians, but that does not diminish his role in the orchestration of what happened.

Find some history books, read, I know they are full of facts, and you seem to have a slim grasp of what a fact, and/or a truth is, but, go ahead and try anyway. You actually might learn something.

“Chairman of the Awkward Squad”

 

A Schwing and a Big Old Miss!

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Monday, August 16th at 1:50PM EST (link)

We do not attribute the horror of the holocaust to all Christians, though the Nazis were Christians and were motivated by religious hatred.

Wow! I guess you missed the whole thing about Aryan Supermen and Neitsche. Man, am I glad God decided Neitsche should be dead!

” I side impenitently with the human race against the modern reformer.” – C.S. Lewis

 
 

In Amercia we show respect for the dead by holding the ground and surrounding area where dead are buried or killed sacred.

bobojake (Diary) Sunday, August 15th at 12:34AM EST (link)

I have a son that was honored by having his name posted on I-5 in Washington State having been killed by a drunken driver. My son was a employee of Washington State DOT and on the job.
We hold remains in in reverence when they are found whether excavating for a building or digging anything. We then move them to a cemetary or in some cases a graveyard has been uncovered and a fence build around it.

obama has no respect for the dead or the living as long as he can mooch off somebody else. Moochelle was brought up the same with her rev wright I hate America attitude.
I personally think a 10 mile area needs to be established around the Twin Towers Site, The Pentagon and where the airplane went down in Pennsylvaina. No person, groups, race that had members that were involved in killing all those Americans on 9-11 should be allowed to build anything new in those areas.
The muslem mosque had nothing to do with worship obama and you kinow that as well as I do. We are sick of the radical muslem terrorsits and their LIES, just as we are of your obama.

Exactly.

taxpayer1234 (Diary) Sunday, August 15th at 3:22AM EST (link)

Why don’t the Muslims go build a mosque on Native American burial grounds? Or maybe on Arlington Cemetery or Gettysburg or the Pearl Harbor memorial grounds? Won’t that “promote dialogue” just as well? (sarc)

 
 

Obams Away!

jone Sunday, August 15th at 6:19PM EST (link)

[found the following on the web!]

Michelle Obama’s Allah-day

Why was Michelle Obama spreading “stimulus” money during her sheik-like holiday in Spain? Do you suppose Barack Hussein Obama told her he can’t get re-elected without the votes of Hispanics who aren’t American citizens and she thought he meant the non-American Hispanics living in Spain?
At least those foreigners are much better than “voters” in American cemeteries!
BTW, in 1928 Herbert Hoover’s campaign promised that if he were elected there would be “a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage.”
Well, Obama has come up with a Hoover twist and says that if he’s re-elected there will be “a chick in every car and some pot in every garage”!
For some insights into Obamessiah and his think-alikes, Google “Obama Avoids Bible Verses,” “Obama Supports Public Depravity,” “Government-Approved Illegals,” and “Imam Bloomberg’s Sharia Mosque.”
Have you noticed that America’s “Christian” president has favorites? See search engines including Google and type in “Obama Favors Islam Over Christianity.” If minority groups in America keep getting special “status,” will the USA become known as the United Status of America?
I wonder how soon Obama will “come out” and admit he’s a Muslim!

 

"Present!" [nt]

SoFiMil (Diary) Monday, August 16th at 6:25AM EST (link)

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www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com

 

Muslims' ignorance of Islam

southcoast Monday, August 16th at 11:13AM EST (link)

Obama has demonstrated, AGAIN, he is either ignorant or arrogant, or both.
Just because a mosque can be built does not mean it should be. It only underscores an intentional insensitivity practiced by adherents of a religion which was the philosophical basis of the attacks on us starting in 1979.
Yet, muslims do nothing to refute the claims of the belligerents whose acts of violence are perpetrated in the name of a religion being symbolized blocks from where an attack in its name was carried out. We hear terms like “good muslims” or “peace loving muslims” yet it is muslims who rationalize, justify and accept the appropriateness of the many acts of muslim inspired violence.