Government Motors, British Style


A History Lesson For Those Who Believe The World Began in 2001

Claire Berlinski on the pathetic British history with nationalized car companies:

British Leyland was born. It held 40 percent of the UK car market and within five years lost nearly a quarter of it.

Why? The early seventies saw ever more intense competition from continental auto manufacturers, as well as the rise of the Asian car tigers. Leyland’s management was inflexible and slow to adapt. The group had too many companies under its control, and they made similar, competing, outdated cars. The oil-price shock didn’t help. Neither did Leyland’s militant union. Led by Derek Robinson, an unapologetic Communist known as “Red Robbo,” the union embarked on a series of ruinous disputes with management, regularly bringing production to a standstill.

Leyland’s factories were overmanned, its equipment old, its cars ugly. Antique collectors with a keen sense of irony now cherish the dumpy Austin Allegro, known at the time as the Flying Pig. Available in beige, brown, and wilted-lettuce green, it leaked, and its rear windows spontaneously popped out. Its proudest design innovation was its squarish steering wheel. While Leyland was busy inventing the world’s first square wheel, the Germans were building the Volkswagen Golf, a stylish, family-friendly, fuel-efficient hatchback that quickly became one of the best-selling cars in history.

The rest of the piece is less humorous and more dire in its parallels to the present day, as the British spent 13 years pouring taxpayer money down this rathole. Margaret Thatcher was right to oppose the whole project – as Berlinski summarizes the Iron Lady’s thinking, “[i]f the economy was in crisis, she held, the government should waste less of the taxpayers’ money, not more” – but even Lady Thatcher lacked the political strength to stop subsidizing the misbegotten venture until almost the end of her tenure in office, thanks to the voting power of the auto workers whose jobs continued to exist solely as a matter of public charity.

Perhaps we can still learn a thing or two from real-world history before we spend the next decade going down the same dead-end road.


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Silly me

anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:47PM EST (link)

I thought history started with the last news cycle…

Santorum? Well, at least he’s not Romney…
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5 5 5 5 5..... nt

Kenny Solomon (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 8:21PM EST (link)
 

Having owned a Brit sports car in the 1970's...

H (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 1:25PM EST (link)

I am qualified and authorized tell the standard joke about the quality of Lucas brand electronic instrumentation and wiring in those cars…

Stop me if you heard this one…

Q: Why do the Brits drink warm beer?

A: Because Lucas makes refrigerators.

Ain't that the truth! Owned a '67 XKE, needed at least two of them

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 1:35PM EST (link)

to have a decent chance of having one running. And I’m sure the oil stains are still in the floor of the garage I had back then. ‘Course, the Brits have no monopoly on oil leaks back then. Had a ’68 Porsche 911 for awhile; you just get used to the smell of cooked oil that leaks from the return tubes from the cylider heads. There were four of them and they were about a $10 part, but it took a minimum two grand engine tear down to replace them. A few years back I saw an early ’70s 911 with a For Sale sign in the window. Nostalgia attracted me to and the OBO pricing was attractive, but then I caught that smell of hot oil and said, “Self, now you remember what you don’t drive things like this anymore,” and I walked away without writing down the phone number.

In Vino Veritas

Advice to men: Drive your sports car while you're young...

H (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 1:55PM EST (link)

and you have the energy to work on them. I had the1970 Triumph Spitfire for one summer, having spent the entire previous winter on my back in the garage replacing the rear pumpkin – twice! But I drove my 84 Alfa Spider for 16 years, and sold it, fittingly enough, to buy the mini-van for the wife and new baby.

When I see yet another bald headed old fart (yeah, the one who looks like me) driving around in his Porsche’s or Miata, it just seems creepy in the way that it would be creepy to see him making out with a teenage girl. There comes a time in a man’s life when comfort and room have it all over a high maintenance squeeze ride.

I got rid of my last "sporty" car shortly after Wife 1.0

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 2:07PM EST (link)

and I split up and I was dating again. I had this tricky VW Scirocco that was loud, rough-riding, and, most importantly, had a five speed manual transmission. About the second time I had to take my hand off something I didn’t want to take it off of to shift that thing, I converted to sedans with automatic transmissions! Too bad we didn’t really understand the virtues of automatic transmissions and bench seats when we were young!

In Vino Veritas

ugh, don't remind me

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 3:00PM EST (link)

I want my DeLoreans back. Though I’d settle for having my 944 back!

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I never felt I could afford a Jag, you know why.

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 2:21PM EST (link)

OTH, I got to thinking and my sports car ownership history includes:

’67 Triumph GT6
’52 MGTD
’67 Alfa GTV
’66 Ferrari GTB
’64 Austin Healy Sprite
’70 Fiat 850
’79 Porsch 928
’79 RX7
’95 Mitz 3000GT
and, my current Z4

Paid $7400 for the Ferrarri in 1973. Shouldv’e kept it.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

I walked away from a '64 275 GTB for $5K in '73.

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 2:39PM EST (link)

Needed some work and smoked a little. I didn’t want to be bothered with a ratty old Ferrari that needed work. That was one of the biggest mistakes of my life. At times those cars have gone for several million bucks. If I’d just bought it an put it on blocks down on my parents place I could have sold it for hundreds of thousands of dollars by the ’90s as it was, where it was.

In Vino Veritas

Art and everyone else that had those Fix-again Tony like cars

Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 2:55PM EST (link)

I have some sympathy for y’all. I really do and I never understood why them stay in your Garage. My dad seems to talk alot about the Mazda RX4 wagon that he own.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

'Cause chicks dug 'em, Richard. nt

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 2:57PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

Did they dig them when they burned oil? -nt-

Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 3:20PM EST (link)

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

Yeah, long as they didn't burn or leak too much.

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 4:51PM EST (link)

I don’t know how old you are, but American and Japanese cars weren’t prizes in those days either. Show me an old SB GM and I’ll show you an oil spot below the oil filter and below the rear main seal. I have to keep oil absorbant pillows in the bilge of my boat because both filters and both mails leak a little, and the Coast Guard really, really frowns on your pumping your bilge and leaving a sheen.

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 

Respect the 124 drivetrain, Richard.

blooch Tuesday, December 8th at 8:07PM EST (link)

Even if everything else on the car faded, peeled, rusted, warped or fell off. Fiat sold the 124 tooling to the Soviets. If the guys who build fighter jets that can land in a grass field like it, it can’t be all bad.

Now don’t get me started on the series of Really Evil Nasty And Unreliable Little Toy R5′s I tinkered to death.

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How many times have I said that to myself.

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 4:25PM EST (link)

“If I’d just…. put it on blocks”

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 
 

Fiat 850 LOL

blooch Tuesday, December 8th at 3:33PM EST (link)

I owned or drove at least one of everything Fiat made in the ’70′s, except the 850. Burning 850′s–and Porsche 914′s–were a common sight along the Interstate in Atlanta back in the day. I gusess those rear engines couldn’t handle the Southern climate.

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

That 850 Spyder

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 4:21PM EST (link)

was the closest thing to a street legal riding mower ever made. I bought it and shipped it to Molokai to screw around with. I am sure that all is left is a brown spot somewhere on the island.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

I had an 850 Spyder too. We were all young and dumb once. nt

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 4:51PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 
 

British Government Cars

Ausonius (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 1:46PM EST (link)

from that era were notorious for burning up.

I had a friend who for some unknown reason bought a Triumph, which was actually a defeat for his wallet.

One day he called me and said: “It burned up!”

I knew immediately that the “it” had to be the Triumph, and “it” was! While he was driving it, the motor simultaneously died and caught fire.

Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.

Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.

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Let's put a stake through government takeovers

crosley (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 1:30PM EST (link)

Conservatives need to go out of their way to boycott GM and Chrysler. I’m betting most of their revenue is still derived from full-sized trucks and SUV’s, vehicles blue state liberals wouldn’t be caught dead in. GM and Chrysler need to fail big time, and if wouldn’t take many to boycott those two and put them in bankruptcy again. It’s not much of a sacrifice to boycott these brands anyway, most of their lineup is junk anyway.

I also think conservatives should boycott all vehicles made by the Big 3, since they use UAW labor. You can find quality vehicles that are made right here in the US that don’t use organized labor that throws hundreds of millions of dollars to liberal causes and politicians.

Think they aren't in Ford's knickers too?

H (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 1:43PM EST (link)

When Obama took office, Ford divested itself of enough hard assets to weather the TARP storm and not require a guv bailout. Not so much because they were ingenious and visionary free market capitalists, but because they already had a seat at the big D table with the likes of the Tides Foundation and they were forewarned. In other words, they didn’t fight off any enemies at the gate… the enemy was already inside with his hand up the CEO’s back like a ventriloquist dummy.
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I don't buy any new vehicle from the Big 3

Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 2:17PM EST (link)

so Ford’s keeping the UAW around doesn’t help me want to buy there products. Yes, I mind used vehicles since they won’t get as much money out of me to spread it to there pet causes.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

 

Not a fan of Ford either

crosley (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 2:18PM EST (link)

But I think the main point here is that the government is the majority shareholder in GM, but the government doesn’t own shares in Ford. To me, that’s a huge difference. If we’re going to boycott in order to make a point, GM should be the main target.

Most major companies have financial ties to both political parties (if they’re smart), it’s just a cost of doing business, so it’s difficult to boycott everything.

My main problem with Ford is they use UAW labor that gives hundreds of millions to Democrats and liberal causes, whereas companies like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc. build cars here in the US and don’t use UAW labor.

When you buy from the Big 3, you’re essentially sending a check to Democrats. Until the UAW changes the political causes and candidates they bankroll (they won’t), conservatives should deny them our hard-earned dollars.

Let's not forget Saturn... RIP

H (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 3:15PM EST (link)

That successful little experiment in competition with the Japanese imports went refreshingly far afield from the UAW span of control and was thus “terminated with prejudice” by Obama himself.

For that bit of Stalinistic treachery, I will never, ever buy a GM product.

That still torks me off!

kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 3:43PM EST (link)

I loved Saturns, Had three of them. But they had to go because Government Motors can’t have any non union shops!

I hope we get a chance to punish these bastards for what they have done.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 
 

Got to point out here.....

makemyday (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 4:13PM EST (link)

Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes et al are located in “Right to Work” states, Ford isn’t. Michigan had a ballot proposal a few years ago to become a RTW state and it was defeated. That being said I drive Fords and have owned up to 5 at any given point in my business and personal fleet. Ford is a different culture in that the Ford family still runs the Corp. in spite of it being a publicly owned company.

I could write a diary about the stories that came back from Washington when the Big Three went with hat in hand to congress.

The UAW is propped up by the government with labor laws, collective bargaining and more, but so are all other unions as well. If we stop buying union made products then we are more likely to have to purchase items made in China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Pakistan. Ford no more desires to have to deal with the UAW than any other auto maker but under the circumstances, has no choice. The UAW specifically denies any of the Big Three to close a plant in a union state and open a plant in a RTW state. There is a loop hole that does allow them to close a plant in the US and open a plant overseas (Mexico) so what would you expect them to do? Me, I open a plant in Mexico.

I am a Detroiter, I have no special love for the UAW myself, but I do have friends and neighbors that I do not wish ill will.

My concern here is that we are throwing the baby out with the bath water when we limit our automobile purchases because we don’t agree with a group of people (UAW). Without the government to prop them up they are nothing. Change the government and you will fix that problem.

For the record I had a ’70 MGB, Bristish racing green, luggage carrier on the “boot” and a full set of covers (tonneau, etc.) wire wheels. Next to the Lucas electrical system how come no one mentioned those miserable dual Stromberg-Carlson carburetors?

When all else fails…….. Shoot!

“Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” –American author Mark Twain (1835-1910)

“We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times.” –George Washington, letter to Philip Schuyler, 1777

But We Have A Choice

crosley (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 4:24PM EST (link)

We can find American made products to buy that aren’t made by the Big 3, that don’t support UAW labor. As a conservative, I’d rather reward those companies and workers that use non-union labor in the right to work states.

Not supporting union shops doesn’t equate to buying overseas. That line of bull has been used for decades by union shills.

You can say, “What about the workers in Detroit?” and my response is, “What about the workers in Tennessee, or Indiana, South Carolina, etc.?

If this hurts workers for the Big 3, than maybe they should take on the Union leadership that they vote in to represent them to not support left-wing political causes.

Once again I remind you

makemyday (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 5:57PM EST (link)

the companies in the RTW states were free to choose those states, the big three don’t have that choice. They’d be there in a heartbeat otherwise. Trust me, change the government and the UAW becomes nothing.

When all else fails…….. Shoot!

“Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” –American author Mark Twain (1835-1910)

“We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times.” –George Washington, letter to Philip Schuyler, 1777

They made their bed, now they can lie in it

crosley (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 6:28PM EST (link)

When’s the last time any of the Big 3 made a real attempt to break the union? I don’t mean accept concessions, but actually tried to make the UAW irrelevant.

And GM has had factories in right to work states, but the workers were still UAW members.

Until there are reforms to the Union, I suggest conservatives starve them. out. I’m certainly not going to keep on throwing money at them and hope they change their ways.

So be it

makemyday (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 6:38PM EST (link)

You’re a freeman and capable of your own decisions for whatever reason.

But again, do not go after the companies because of the UAW. The deck is stacked against the companies by government rules and regulations, not because they prefer the UAW over a non-union workforce.

When all else fails…….. Shoot!

“Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” –American author Mark Twain (1835-1910)

“We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times.” –George Washington, letter to Philip Schuyler, 1777

How else do we punish the UAW?

DavidSage (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 7:41PM EST (link)

I agree that Conservatives should shop other makes rather than fund the UAW. By cutting off funding from brands like Ford, GM, and Chrysler, less dollars will flow into Democrat’s coffers. If you take a look at the political donations of the UAW, it’s 99-to-1 against Republicans.

The bailout of Chrysler and GM was really a bailout of the United Auto Workers. I guarantee you if Toyota had the same issues, they wouldn’t have been bailed out. I don’t think I’m alone in wanting to see GM and Chrysler declare real bankruptcy and to make an example of what happens when government bureaucrats try to run private companies.

If you want to punish the UAW

makemyday (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 8:05PM EST (link)

then keep your state (if it is already) a RTW state. If it isn’t, make it so. They have a lock on the big three through legislation and contracts. That goes for big three plants in RTW states.

In the mean time, there is a vast supplier base out there that supplies not only the domestics, but also the non-domestic auto makers. That supplier base is in every corner of America and has more employees than are in the UAW. If the domestics fail, the supplier base fails. If the supplier base fails then what happens to the non-domestics?

When all else fails…….. Shoot!

“Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” –American author Mark Twain (1835-1910)

“We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times.” –George Washington, letter to Philip Schuyler, 1777

You Don't Understand

DavidSage (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 11:01PM EST (link)

If someone is in the market for a new truck and they decide to buy a Toyota (made in the US) instead of a Chevrolet, how is that hurting the supplier base?

If the UAW companies “fail”, than other brands that don’t use UAW labor will fill the void. You seem to think that if GM goes bankrupt (again) people will stop buying new vehicles altogether. They’ll simply buy other brands. When American Motors went under, Americans just moved to other brands like Ford and GM.

This time if GM and Dodge go under, Americans will go to Toyota and Honda, where they won’t be funneling money to left-wing causes by funding the UAW. There will still be an automobile market.

I guess I don't understand

makemyday (Diary) Wednesday, December 9th at 5:44AM EST (link)

I was a start up company in 1992 as a supplier for Chrysler, Ford and GM as well as a major big box retailer, financial institutions around the country, local governments, and all the major hospital systems in southeastern Michigan. Sometimes I doubt I know what I am doing but I am still here.

There is no simple answer that I can put into a comment that would sway your opinion over to “I understand”. But I know that if you could just get your undies out of a bunch and you took another look at your stand you would see the situation from a different perspective.

I have no animosity towards you or others who have responded to my comments. I just wish there were a way for you to understand that the picture is a lot larger than “how else do we punish the UAW”

When all else fails…….. Shoot!

“Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” –American author Mark Twain (1835-1910)

“We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times.” –George Washington, letter to Philip Schuyler, 1777

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I wonder if Ford will leave

JoeG Tuesday, December 8th at 9:54PM EST (link)

I know the UAW would have a snit, but I really wonder if Ford will depart MI and head for a right to work state.

If they do, I know their future is bright.

 
 
 

Ford's just another Government Motors

red_refugee (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 10:56PM EST (link)

I don’t drink the “Ford’s doing great” kool-aid. Sure, they’re doing better than Chrysler and GM, but that’s nothing to be proud of. Their “green” Focus is as much of a joke as the Dodge Neon was. They’ve been surviving on F-150 profits for years and that’s the only bright spot on their balance sheet.

I’m the owner of two great American cars… a Corolla built in California and a Camry built in Kentucky

 
 
 

Not so far and doubtlessly never.

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 2:07PM EST (link)

“Perhaps we can still learn a thing or two from real-world history before we spend the next decade going down the same dead-end road.”

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

A four-wheelin' buddy of mine

jeepingeoff Tuesday, December 8th at 2:28PM EST (link)

has/had a mid ’70′s Land Rover with the dreaded Lucas electronics. Spent so much time working on it he took the entire body off and bolted it on a Jeep Wrangler chassis/drivetrain (and if you are familiar with Jeep build quality you know what a desperation move this was…). He is actually quite happy with it now.

“Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys” – P.J. O’Rourke

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GM product boss converts to green motoring.

Kenny Solomon (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 8:30PM EST (link)

http://theage.drive.com.au/green-motoring/gm-product-boss-converts-to-green-motoring-20091208-kfsh.html

GM executive Bob Lutz, who once described global warming as “a crock of $#!T”, appears to have changed his tune.

Legendary Detroit car executive Bob Lutz, the product titan who gave the world the thundering Dodge Viper V10 and other fuel-slurping muscle cars, appears to have had a green conversion.

It’s as if ……. Paris Hilton joined a nuns’ order.

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Actually, it’s as if Chairman Maobama said “you will obey me and “change”, or what’s left of your life will have you full of “hope” for any personal freedom.”