One line in President Obama’s orgy of blame-Bush-for-everything speech last night has prompted former Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld, who managed the Afghan war for five years, to call for the President to back up his assertions. Secretary Rumsfeld’s statement, issued in a press release this morning:
“In his speech to the nation last night, President Obama claimed that ‘Commanders in Afghanistan repeatedly asked for support to deal with the reemergence of the Taliban, but these reinforcements did not arrive.’ Such a bald misstatement, at least as it pertains to the period I served as Secretary of Defense, deserves a response.”
“I am not aware of a single request of that nature between 2001 and 2006. If any such requests occurred, ‘repeated’ or not, the White House should promptly make them public. The President’s assertion does a disservice to the truth and, in particular, to the thousands of men and women in uniform who have fought, served and sacrificed in Afghanistan.”
“In the interest of better understanding the President’s announcement last night, I suggest that the Congress review the President’s assertion in the forthcoming debate and determine exactly what requests were made, who made them, and where and why in the chain of command they were denied.”
UPDATE: The Administration responds:
Robert Gibbs cheerfully responded to Donald Rumsfeld’s denial that he’d denied troops to Afghanistan with, first, a clarification that Obama had been talking about the post-Rumsfeld era of 2008.
…”I will let Secretary Rumsfeld explain” whether the war in Afghanistan “was sufficiently resourced during his tenure” … and how he thinks “history will judge whether they were or were not sufficient,” Gibbs said.
Gibbs quipped: “You go to war with the secretary of Defense that you have.”
Or, in the case of the Obama Administration, you go to war with the very same secretary of Defense – Robert Gates, the man who held the job in 2008 – that you just threw under the Obamabus. If you recall, Gates himself had testified in November 2008 (after the election) that he expected an additional 30,000 troops to be sent, but the incoming Administration put off its follow-through on that promise until March, and cut Gates’ proposal nearly in half.
21 words don’t say what they used to, do they?
KnightsofMalta
Steve Maley
Caleb Howe
It's time our lying, POS POTUS was called out
Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 12:35PM EST (link)and made to answer by the members of the former administration. I am glad to see it.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Lies to the public
fisk2521 Wednesday, December 2nd at 12:43PM EST (link)How many lies will this President tell before the mainstream media finally calls him on them? For them to ignore this challenge by Rumsfeld is to admit that they have no interest in the truth about issues…. and they promote an agenda that bears no resemblance to journalistm whatsoever.
LDavis
Answer to your question? When hell freezes over. (nt)
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 12:53PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Maybe that day is not so far in the future
civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 1:18PM EST (link)If Climategate succeeds in discrediting AGW, maybe the chill will spread into some part of the media. And once they remember what it means to question authority, who knows where that could go, especially when they realize that oil and gas are very useful for keeping warm in the winter.
Or maybe their brains will freeze along with their assets.
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Let's hope so Civ
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 2:06PM EST (link)I don’t think it’ll happen though…they’re trying to cover for the AGW propagandists in the face of the crumbling house of cards…They’ve staked everything on AGW theory, Obama’s Messiahship and their socialist utopia and they won’t dare betray any of it because to do so would be to betray themselves!
Big lie vs small lie
voxoreason Thursday, December 3rd at 9:44AM EST (link)Hitler is attributed as saying: The great masses of the people… will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. (This is a condensed version of a long formulation in Mein Kampf, although Goebbles used the term to describe the Jews’ use of same. Yes, it does sound like the height of hypocrisy… as so it is.)
Global Warming is the “big lie” of our times. And yes, I think I am justified in comparing Global Warming alarmist to Hitler. They, like Hitler, are using a big lie to gain power and riches. Al Gore is at the $100 million mark, but is predicted to become a Global Warming billionaire if this big lie is successful.
We can’t deny Big Al, now can we?
You are NOT going to hear it exposed on ABC, CBS, or NBC. I wonder when people will realize that Fox News, while not perfect, will report more of the news that the Big, Bad 3 censors/propagandists. Liberals may be upset because they can’t dispute FNC’s reporting as lies…because they aren’t able to disprove them. That’s the best side effect of telling the truth.
Conservatives are perfectly justified in calling ABC, CBS, and NBC as censors and propagandists. And these guys don’t require presidential kneepads anymore!
Headline I saw yesterday: 12 Days, 3 Networks and No Mention of ClimateGate Scandal
There is no limit...the so called objective press have gone all in on him...and they can't fold now without losing everything...
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 2:03PM EST (link)they’ll cover for him till the bitter end!
now that stossel is on fox and dobbs is out at cnn
kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 2:07PM EST (link)there really isn’t anyone left in MSM with any integrity. (I take that back, CNN still has Fareed Zakharia.)
We really have turned into a bipolar world of news sources. And what these idiots on the left have not yet figured out is that the more they play their games, the more viewers they loose.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Are you seriously not counting Fox as mainstream press?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 2:23PM EST (link)It’s the same kinds of staffers below the on-air veneer.
RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
they are not the MSM because they came later
kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 3:51PM EST (link)and they operate without the extreme ideological factor.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
The teleprompter will be melted down for scrap as punishment. nt
mschmitt (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 12:45PM EST (link)usque ad finem
Oh, well, snap!
Section9 Wednesday, December 2nd at 12:46PM EST (link)Would be nice to see Dick Cheney and the Rumster go on a one-two punching bag craze with the Hollow Man.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
Oh I LOVE it when the REAL MEN as opposed to girly men
dudette Thursday, December 3rd at 6:18AM EST (link)speak out! Thank you Donald Rumsfeld–and Dick Cheney, keep it coming, you are our voice!
Yes,
rec0n Wednesday, December 2nd at 12:57PM EST (link)Rumsfeld gave me my first sleepy little smile of the morning. I do enjoy it so much when he gets called on his lies.
Although that wasn’t the only one.
I’ll share my private fantasy life w/you all, just this once: Zero concedes to an interview with FOX, and Cheney is the surprise host.
*moan*
{lights cigarrette, contemplating the wisdom of posting something so personal, decides o wth.}
I'm on board
derhoosier (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:16PM EST (link)I buy tickets for that one!
Cheers, derhoosier
Obama is screwed in 2012
suzieQ (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 12:57PM EST (link)When he took over there were 38,000 troops in Afghanistan. In his first surge, he added 21,000 more. Now he is promising another 30,000. And I’m sure there will be follow-on troops after those as well. This is not going to bode well with his anti-war base that thought they had elected change. Throughout his campaign Obama repeatedly said he would send thousands more troops to Afghanistan. The ant-war left didn’t listen then and are acting all shocked now.
“Andy Stern, the head of the Service Employees International Union, is the union leader who probably best understands the challenge of the world market and the need to make American union members productive in the face of world competition.” – Newt Gingrich
Newt Gingrich Co-Sponsored a Global Warming Bill Calling for ‘International Agreement on Population Growth’
“I would have signed the assault weapon ban that came to his desk. I said I would have supported that and signed a similar bill in our state.” – Mitt Romney 2008
Gun Owners Of America on Mitt Romney
The San Francisco Base
GT350 Wednesday, December 2nd at 1:14PM EST (link)There’s a 5:00 antiwar protest today, at Powell & Mission in San Francisco.
Bring your leftist grievances! Gay rights, abortion, healthcare-for-all, public campaign financing, racism. Hang all your intra-party dirty laundry out to dry!
Rummy needs to...
bart Wednesday, December 2nd at 1:11PM EST (link)pipe down. We’re governed by Marxists now. This will require they just make things up. Jeesh! Everyone else knows that.
Just another obama LIE
bobojake (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 1:28PM EST (link)obama tell your tarrot cards it is easier to tell the truth
My kid was near Kandahar most of 2007.
Achance (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 1:46PM EST (link)They were having to go out looking for the “Taliban” and being deliberately provocative. Other than an ocassional IED, their tour was marked mostly by boredom unless they went out and picked a fight.
The reality is that Johnny Jihad watches TV too. He saw the Peaceniks take over Congress and then a communist and Muslim sympathizer if not secret practitioner become President. They knew it was now safe to come out and raise some Hell. When the cat’s away, the mice play. The Jihadis are probably assuming that if they cause some US and NATO casualties, the Communist in Chief will pull out, blaming Bush and Afghan corruption rather than his own fecklessness. This is becoming uncannily like what a Democrat administration did to Diem resulting in South Vietnam never again having a government with any support from the people and paving the way for communist victory.
In Vino Veritas
Was he at Musa Qala, Art?
nessa (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 1:54PM EST (link)A good example of what I was talking about upthread. The Taliban talked a good game, sounded a lot like S Hussein and his “mother of all battles” bs. In the end they ran away.
Here’s Jane’s on the Battle for Musa Qala.
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No, he left in August '07, but that was the general area
Achance (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 2:07PM EST (link)he was in. I’ve never pushed him to talk about it much detail. What I know of their missions looks a lot like what the US Cavalry did in the 1870s; they’d mount up and go very openly and deliberately into places they knew the Indians couldn’t stand for them to be and provoke a fight – if they could. His unit would just saddle up HumVees instead of horses and go riding out into Hostile country. They jokingly called themselves “The Towstrap Brigade,” since they spent so much time in riverbeds and having to use towstraps to get their vehicles unstuck. They were just contemptuous of the enemy as organized fighting units. The only thing they were afraid of, and the only losses they had, were the IEDs. They had one go off under a HumVee that was carring a lot of mortar rounds and between the IED itself and the secondary explosions had several guys killed and wounded. One of the KIA was a good friend of his and he still maintains contact with his family; you don’t want to get him started about that incident.
In Vino Veritas
I have a SpecOps friend that tells the same story Art
Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 2:57PM EST (link)Lots of running around the countryside chasing ghosts, followed by short engagements and long periods of boredom (especially in the winter).
I certainly don’t suggest that was a ubiquitous experience, nor do I mean to suggest any of this is easy or without significant effort and risk for our military. However, the assertion made by President Obama, to which Mr. Rumsfeld is responding seems to be scurrilous, without merit and lacking in factual grounding.
The willingness of Gibbs to further politicize and attempt to confound factual military operations, documented requests and on the record Executive Branch responses in order to meet some fanciful parochial meme is proof they once again are in conflict with the facts. Otherwise they would put specifics that could withstand real scrutiny out for debate and discussion- and they won’t.
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
Oh, and someone please post this report on Afghanistan from 2008
Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 3:10PM EST (link)Gee, Obama should have read this as he was dithering around the WH and playing golf while our troops were waiting for reinforcements. Maybe it would have changed a few lines in his political diatribe. Some highlights;
- U.S. troops in Afghanistan increased by over 80% in the first five months of 2008
- Troops surged by 21,643, bringing the total U.S contingent in Afghanistan from 26,607 in January to 48,250 in June
- In September, 2008 – President Bush an increase of up to 4,500 U.S. troops
Sounds to me like they were getting everything they asked for- Oh and notice no time lines or budget gimmicks to cut their funding
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
Nothing easy about it, terrible living conditions.
Achance (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 3:14PM EST (link)We talked to him every week or so and I had a weekly mission of getting a case of Red Bull at Costco for him. You could get 21 of the 24 cans in a USPS Priority Flat Rate box and ship it to Afghanistan for $8.65. It would usually get there in a week. Anyway, they start missing their mail and he’s complaining bitterly about no mail, meaning no Red Bull that he was selling for exorbitant sums, so much so that I dropped a line to Sen. Stevens who tuned somebody up and they started getting mail regularly again. This goes on for a month or two and all he wants to talk about is getting mail and the “Air Force Pukes” who won’t fly it in. Finally, he gets a bunch of mail and calls home to tell us. Just in passing he asks me if I can find him a foam pad or an air mattress and send it to him because he’s tired of sleeping on a sheet of plywood; he’d been there for months! When he gets home, he has pictures of that fire base; a bunch of Conexes, some makeshift huts, and tents all surrounded by mountains of sandbags because of mortar attacks; it was a grim-looking place. He really had no use for our gallant NATO allies but came to appreciate them when they left and he had to do the sandbag filling duty they’d been performing.
And if the fire base wasn’t primitive enough, they’d go on patrol for a week or two at the time and live on the ground the whole time and eating MREs.
In Vino Veritas
Its hard to imagine how IMPORTANT the mail is...
nessa (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 4:30PM EST (link)…we would go weeks without it in Iraq in 03, we heard a rumor a mail truck was hit in an ambush once, the nightly conter-IED Patrols took on a whole new seriousness, we wanted vengeance.
Evil Blackhawk flies most of the mail in Afghanistan, the USAF does some but mostly blackhawk, 20,000 lbs some days. If I was flying on blackhawk air we invariably wound up helping load and unload mail. Holidays were swamped, several times while we were loading we would run out of room, each passenger would volunteer to give up his seat, we’d fill them one at a time till either the mail was gone or everyone had given up his seat and we couldn’t squeeze another letter into a crack. We all knew there was nothing we could provide that would compare with the mail.
Alot of the Combat Outposts (COPs) are built over-night. They may or may not stay in place very long and the newer ones are at the bottom of a long list to get modern comforts. The guys who are training the Afghan National Army have it even worse, they live with their Afghan counter-parts. Infantrymen are almost unanimous in their opinion that the greatest equipment the Army ever fielded is the “smoking jacket” (field jacket liner) and “woobie” (poncho liner).
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Obama lied again...
Castor (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 2:08PM EST (link)SAME OLD SAME OLD.
They should change the word to falsehoodprompter!
Rumsfeld wasn't perfect. Who is?
RedBeard Wednesday, December 2nd at 2:16PM EST (link)But he was right a lot more than he was wrong.
And he had one big thing going for him while serving in the administration, something the Obama gang doesn’t have. Patriotism.
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
Also, experience
Dan McLaughlin (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 2:39PM EST (link)nt
“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill
A spine... nt
mschmitt (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 2:42PM EST (link)usque ad finem
I stand corrected
RedBeard Wednesday, December 2nd at 3:26PM EST (link)Patriotism, experience, and a spine.
There we have three characteristics that Obama would not recognize if they walked up and bit him on the derriere.
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
Rumsfeld was pretty darn
dudette Thursday, December 3rd at 6:26AM EST (link)near perfect in my estimation.I miss him in our govt. I can’t wait til this bunch of america haters is gone–it is a long time til 2012. This O-hole is a serious menace along with all his little czars and peons
Rummy & Cheney in 2012
merryj1 Wednesday, December 2nd at 2:56PM EST (link)… in either order! Boy, does this current speechifier make me miss W and the days of “misunderestimation.” There were some blunders, but never subversion or fingers pointed at the last guy.
Well that sounds good now
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 3:00PM EST (link)I’m hoping that it would be the alternate for me if another Cruddy candidate gets nominated in 2012.
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
Move along folks, nothing to see here
Academic Elephant (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 2:58PM EST (link)Turns out that according to Robert Gibbs when the President talked about how “Commanders in Afghanistan repeatedly asked for support to deal with the reemergence of the Taliban” they only did this in 2008 and the person who denied the repeated requests was Secretary Gates so it is okay and no investigations are needed!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/Gibbs_responds_to_Rumsfeld.html
That's rich...
mschmitt (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 3:06PM EST (link)… but Obama didn’t fib. After all, Politico found a quote from an Afghan official asking us for more military hardware — and that’s clearly equivalent to our commanders asking for troops (isn’t it?)…
usque ad finem
Who is this "Robert FiBBs" anyway?
ecroper Thursday, December 3rd at 12:03PM EST (link)The Lie Revisor Czar. Fibb Reviser. Are those guys(the new regiem) trying to outdo each other?
I think I have it now...
Academic Elephant (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 3:18PM EST (link)…President Obama was lamenting that the repeated requests of the commander he summarily relieved of duty were denied by the Secretary of Defense he kept on the job and pledging to right the mistake. I can only assume he’ll apologize to General McKiernan for firing him because Secretary Gates didn’t give him the resources to do his job?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/12/todays-qs-for-os-wh-1222009.html
knew you could not resist, AE
Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 6:33PM EST (link)What happened? All the mendacity, attempted refuting of facts, grandstanding, amateur night politicing get your trunk in a twist?
Furthermore, what kind of perverse ideologue believes he can stand up in front of a crowd of people who spend a great deal of time studying factual outcomes and risk based on historical truths to feed them political falsehoods and tepid, parsed plans for retreat?
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
Marcus, I believe that would be the one who is so
janis (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 6:41PM EST (link)ignorant of recent history and so besotted with his own supposed cleverness that he didn’t think anyone would call him on his lies. I would not want to be the person who crosses Donald Rumsfeld, a man for whom I have the most profound respect.
So much so that I would love to see his name on the ticket in the near future. “Keith Olbermann has massive stroke. Film at 11″
Either that, AE (good to see you), or Obama is lying.
spainishirish (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 6:52PM EST (link)Records should clear it up, but I know where I would put my money already.
I don't know, AE...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 7:00PM EST (link)It appears as though President Obama simply can’t stop criticizing his predecessor, but whoever wrote the speech is woefully ignorant, or wantonly dismissive, of the facts, and the smartest, brightest and wittiest press secretary ever cheerfully dug the hole a whole lot deeper.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
Peace in our time
southcoast Wednesday, December 2nd at 3:35PM EST (link)Now that Barak “Neville Chamberlain” 0bama has just sold out Afghanistan to the Taliban, err sorry Tahleebahn, I expect as the last Americans leave Afghanistan we will see the same blood bath as Clinton, I mean the U.N., presided over in Rwanda.
gibbs is as big a liar and foney
bobojake (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 4:35PM EST (link)as van jones
Gibbs is the vocal version of Obama's teleprompter
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 4:50PM EST (link)n/t
That's FIBBs,Robert FIBBS.
ecroper Thursday, December 3rd at 12:12PM EST (link)Lets keep things in perspective, also FIBBs is obamas real life personal tellalier.
Props to Jake Tapper for today's follow up
Sundayjack (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 4:39PM EST (link)GIBBS: I — again, I’ll let him explain to the American public whether he believes that the effort in Afghanistan during 2001 to 2006 was appropriately resourced. You know, you go to war with the secretary of defense you have, Jake.
TAPPER: That’s cute. The — the question, though, is what specifically was President Obama talking about when he said that?
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.”
If Rumsfeld won in Iraq and Afghanistan when he was Sec Def we wouldn't be dealing with this now.
wesley1 Wednesday, December 2nd at 4:42PM EST (link)In fact, Obama would not be president.
In case you missed it Wesley
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 4:51PM EST (link)we did win in Iraq, and, Afghanistan didn’t fall apart until Obama took office.
Must be a school holiday. nt
Achance (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 4:59PM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
Afghanistan Fell Apart When The Karzai Government Turned into an Incompetent Kleptocracy
wesley1 Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:13PM EST (link)Not when Obama took office. You give Obama too much credit.
The Karzai Government ...
skorrent1 (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 7:23PM EST (link)Turned into “an Incompetent Kleptocracy” as soon as the MSM and the other peaceniks could no longer blame Bush for everything. They need a reason to abandon the “necessary war”.
The big joke is to hear those Chicago thugs in the White House accuse the Afghan government of “corruption”.
5! you hit it skorrent!
nessa (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 7:45PM EST (link)if our gov’t is teaching theirs how to be a democracy, how could they be anything other than corrupt?
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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When did we win in Iraq?
wesley1 Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:15PM EST (link)When Bush stood under a Mission Accomplished sign.
you're an idiot Wesley1...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:54PM EST (link)We technically won the war in Iraq last year when we started pulling assets out of theater, and we started losing the war in Afghanistan this year when I starteds directing assets there about 5 months ago. Yeah, when you’re on the inside you pretty much know whats going on.
You think so?
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 6:00PM EST (link)From what I’ve gathered, Afghanistan hasn’t gone particularly well relative to Iraq and others.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Ah, name calling when one has a difference of opinion The tactics of a liberal.
wesley1 Wednesday, December 2nd at 6:12PM EST (link)My main point was if Bush and Rumsfeld had been competent warfighters, this would all be over and we would not have Bambi dealing with this mess.
But, what value does the point have.
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 6:15PM EST (link)How does it help us going forward? Your arm chair quarterbacking adds nothing to the discussion.
“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
Or is it an attempt at equivalency?
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 6:17PM EST (link)Bush and Rumsfeld bad, so don’t criticize Obama. Is that it?
“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
Vegas Rick, he'd have to name all the mistakes
janis (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 6:31PM EST (link)of the last 6 administrations to be able to call Obama the equivalent. And I’m not sure that would even scratch the surface at this point.
Mostly I see this little weasel as just an ordinary lib who can’t stand to see his little tinhorn fake messiah being criticized by the grown-ups in the room.
for your stupid comment wesley1 I called you out...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 11:19PM EST (link)next time do not make such a stupid comment. Bush and Rumsfeld were perfectly capable of handling the Afghanistan issue, unfortunately Rumsfeld didn’t do to well with the Iraq war.
I'll let you find out for yourself
gekster (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 11:23PM EST (link)Keep reading
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
k, now I am curious-nt
DONTREADONME (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 11:31PM EST (link)Keep reading down buddy,
gekster (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 11:34PM EST (link)you will see he became Bagdad Bob
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
yup, I am talking to myself, senior moment?-nt
DONTREADONME (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 11:34PM EST (link)If you want it to be
gekster (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 11:37PM EST (link)LOL
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
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Afghanistan has been a craphole
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:58PM EST (link)for awhile, esp. from 2004-06. I’d love to say that we did a great job with it before Obama came along, but that’s just not true. I’m not overly critical of Bush and co. on this, as the country is notorious for its difficulty to subdue, but I don’t see that as sufficient reason to paint the results that we’ve had there as stellar.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
aesthete-I understand your Liberatarian bent
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 7:54PM EST (link)and that many Libertarians believe we should not be involved an any wars. I understand that many Libertarians believe that we should bring our troops home from around the world. Is that why you have adopted the opinion on Afghanistan that you have? While Afghanistan may not have been a volitile region in 2004-2006, or that many have reported, why do you say that it was a craphole then, as opposed to the fact that Afghanistan has been a craphole forever. What should have been done differently in 2004-2006? That surely is when the Republicans were in the majority.
I have no problem with
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 8:14PM EST (link)our intervention in Afghanistan, but I think that we should do it right, and admit when we screw up. The initial invasion was handled well, but since then we’ve been at a loss for a comprehensive strategy for Afghanistan. Personally, I’m happy that we found the right strategy for Iraq before the Dems could screw it over, and I wish we could have found the right one for Afghanistan. I just think we should be realistic and acknowledge that not all was sunshine and roses under Bush and co. (though I certainly can’t blame them, given the difficulty of the task).
BTW, I think that Afghanistan is still salvageable under the right President and conditions, and had we someone with Bush’s tenacity as President, we might have found a strategy that worked. Oh, well.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
to be fair though,
montanan (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 8:06PM EST (link)Iraq blew up so badly there for awhile before the troop surge, with Afghanistan relatively quiet in comparison, Bush and Rumsfeld had no choice but to direct what resources they had to Iraq. And lets be honest, we’ve not actually had the strength to successfully prosecute a war on two fronts since the second world war. And with Congress being the way it was back in 06′ ( and still is) the guys at the top couldn’t requisition enough money to train enough men and equip them to hold two warzones. If anything, the current debacle in Afghanistan has nothing to do with Bush and Rumsfeld being bad strategists and everything to do with Congress being a blind and petty pain in the @$$. I am pretty sure that if Congress hadn’t been so busy trying to get revenge on republicans by stripping funding from the troops, we would’ve put together another division or two so that we could finish the job.
Oh, definitely
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 8:21PM EST (link)I think we did better than the historical average in the two conflicts. That is a far cry from saying that they’ve been run smoothly, though.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
montanan- To add to your comment
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 8:53PM EST (link)The Clinton administration cut the defense budget to a point that it was considered “stripped.” Bush was only in office for less than a year, I believe, when 9/11 happened. As I’ve read somewhere, you go to war with the troops and equipment you have. With a Democrat contingent in Congress, trying to stop the wars at any cost, and, a reliant MSM trashinging Bush at every turn, true or not, you have a bad public opinion of the war, and, Code Pink. If the public has given up on amy war, the war is lost, just as in Vietnam. In all, I think you are wrong asthete, because I really believe your view of war all comes down to the dollars spent on it. You have said in your bio that you are a fiscal conservative. I think that there are many that believe that our country’s security means a little more than just dollar signs. Ron Paul put dollar signs on everything. I am not saying you follow Ron Paul, but I do have to question your desire for victory in Afghanistan, especially when it may come from the cost perspective.
Heh, you don't want to know my feelings on Ron Paul
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 9:15PM EST (link)and his minions
I fully support the war in Afghanistan. I think that victory in Afghanistan is definitely worth the cost, and I think that it is still salvageable. I don’t, however, want to embrace the fantasy that everything in Iraq and Afghanistan were peaches, any more than I want to pretend that Bush did a good job domestically. Again, I think that he did a pretty good job in Iraq and Afghanistan given what he had, his level of experience, and the difficulty of the two missions. I simply take issue with the assertion that all was fine in Afghanistan until Obama showed up. There’s plenty to criticize about Obama’s handling of the war without deifying Bush’s handling of the wars, and Jeff (who is of course infinitely more knowledgeable and experienced than myself) has a fantastic write-up of them on RS. I hope that clarifies my position better for you.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
No, not necessarily true from my...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 11:27PM EST (link)unique perspective in the rear echelon. My company had been having an easy time getting volunteers to go to Afghanistan to work signals intel before this year began, (heck I considered for the $$$$, wife said NO). Now the lack of support outside the wire and convoy security has caused many from my company to want to get out. The taliban have crawled back into the country and we abandoned the outskirt areas and surrendered positions.
I personally am watching the Corps run circles in the last 5 months trying to redirect what they can to Afghanistan to deal counterinsurgency, and do not forget morale is in the crapper over there. We will send the Marines back in force and clean up that mess.
BTW, from what I am hearing from the trainers I work with over there they are preparing to take this fight back to the outskirts, Now the troops over there need all of the assets available in Iraq for Afghanistan, finish the job and get the hell home. Get ready the MRAPs are coming, good luck with the ambushing of convoys.
Mmm, interesting
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, December 3rd at 12:44PM EST (link)I could very well be wrong; I would sure like to be, anyways!
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
If...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:01PM EST (link)congressional democrats had not attempted to undermine the war effort at every turn, the insurgency in Iraq and the terrorists in Afghanistan would not have been emboldened, Iran would not be this close to realizing its nuclear ambitions, we’d be much closer to peace in the Middle East and the democrats would still be the minority party.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
Congressional dems are not that powerful. Especially when Republicans controlled the house, senate and presidency.
wesley1 Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:14PM EST (link)nt
"Especially when Republicans controlled the house, senate and presidency" is when they undermined the war at every turn.
nessa (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:20PM EST (link)nt
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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Wesley, guess you forgot the Dems taking over in Jan 07?
penguin2 (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:28PM EST (link)Both houses of Congress, remember Wesley?
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Of course, I was referring to 2001-2006.
wesley1 Wednesday, December 2nd at 6:16PM EST (link)Let me know if you want me to clarify anything else, Mr. Penguin.
Did you mean to include May 2001 - January 2003?... nt
rbdwiggins (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 6:19PM EST (link)“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
And it's "Ms. Penguin2" to you, wesley dearest.
janis (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 6:23PM EST (link)Show some respect for your betters. See there, I only called you nice names. The tone in which I said them, though, leaves a lot to be desired. As does your ability to articulate some coherency on this issue.
16 days/14 hours. tic,tic,tic
gekster (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:32PM EST (link)They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
Apparently, you're unfamiliar with Senate Rule XXII
rbdwiggins (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:56PM EST (link)Or, it could be that you won’t admit the significance of Jumpin Jim Jeffords’ defection in May 2001, nor acknowledge the results of the 2006 mid-terms.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
How RIGHT you are rb....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 6:49PM EST (link)IF the tools on the left had just gone all in after they voted for the war instead of undermining our men and women on the battlefield there is no doubt in my mind Iraq would have been won by 2004 and Afghanistan would have gotten the last four years of attention BUT they had to play politics with our troops lives and by extension our lives and for that they should burn in hell upon their deaths!
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Dick Cheney is absolutely correct in his assessment...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 7:16PM EST (link)of the situation in Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan, and the war on terror in particular.
We are less safe today, and the entire Middle East region is more unstable, because the democrats chose to politicize the war.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
You beat me to it, Scope!
mriggio (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:01PM EST (link)n/t
mriggio
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Save the
CheerleaderParty, save the World! (Heroes, ed.)G'bye to our very own Baghdad Bob (nt)
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Dang it.
RedBeard Wednesday, December 2nd at 7:45PM EST (link)Bob’s gone, just when we needed a javelin catcher for the Red State Games.
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
THIS JUST IN!!!!!!
noyoucant Wednesday, December 2nd at 4:58PM EST (link)Former President George W. Bush has just been appointed the Obama Adminstrations Blame Czar
The only thing I want to hear
freedomfunds Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:22PM EST (link)Rummy say is
“I am sorry”
What does Rumsfeld have to say he is sorry for?....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 6:45PM EST (link)The man SAVED this country from jihadists he had a plan to set up a base in the Middle East from which to fight them over there and he was RIGHT. The man is an American hero you freaking TOOL. Do you think for one minute anyone who is not a LEFTIST buys into your crap about Rumsfeld because if you do you are truly STUPID!
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Idiot, I see that you are willing contestant for Today's Wack-A-Mole session
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 7:52PM EST (link)I’m ready to hit you hard. Rumsfeld doesn’t need to say he’s sorry but you do. You should be sorry for your leftest choice for President. Yeah, they the current one that rode the Zombie Time express. I’m sure I don’t need to say the name it’s on the tip of your tongue.
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
It just isn't your day, Richard
Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 7:58PM EST (link)Neil whacked him an hour or two ago. Sorry, man…this one wasn’t my doing
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Whack 'em, Then warn 'em, Maybe...
nessa (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 8:31PM EST (link)Kind of like John Wayne in an old western movie. “I’m not gonna hit’cha… the Hell I’m not!” Or “We’re gonna give you a fair trial and then we’re gonna hang ya.”
Or maybe Clint and Chief Dan George in the Outlaw Jose Wales,
Clint: “Every time I get to liking somebody, they ain’t around long.”
Chief Dan George: “I notice when you get to dislikin’ somebody, they ain’t around long neither.”
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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WOW
ecroper Thursday, December 3rd at 12:37PM EST (link)Youall are vicious, I must say though, you mak me laugh in the morning and I need to laugh. Thankyou. you all are funny!!
Your welcome
Richard Mullins (Diary) Thursday, December 3rd at 12:43PM EST (link)I hope you get a lot more laughs as time goes along. We seem to have a lot of Wack-A-Mole contestants that come here and go on their Kammakazze raids. Leftists are as predictable as rain(well only when there’s a 100% chance of rain.)
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
Cleanup, Aisle 6 now. (nt)
blooch Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:27PM EST (link)“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Silly thought time
anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:46PM EST (link)but… perhaps the fromer administration should line up all the slader and sue the O for slander… make him defend himself in court… just a thought…
Santorum? Well, at least he’s not Romney…
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typitus styrikes again
anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:47PM EST (link)I meant “former” should sue for “slander”…
yar…
Santorum? Well, at least he’s not Romney…
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Good grief.
itsonlywords (Diary) Thursday, December 3rd at 1:21AM EST (link)Gibbs is a moron. Do you suppose he even knows who was Sec Def in 2008?
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
I bet the WH reporters go to bars after hours
bk (Diary) Thursday, December 3rd at 6:22AM EST (link)and ask each other how Obama managed to pick someone with the attitude of Ari Fleischer and the competence of Scott McClellan to be his front man. And I bet they long for the good old days when they could drool over Dana Perino instead of being forced to sit there while a buffoon like Gibbs talks down to them.
Hey I Loved ARI FLeishcer!
dudette Thursday, December 3rd at 6:35AM EST (link)He was great, Tony Snow was the greatest that ever did the job, but Ari was terrific IMHO
The difference to me is
bk (Diary) Thursday, December 3rd at 9:28AM EST (link)Ari was condescending to the press because he knew they hated his guts and were opposed to almost everything Bush did. Gibbs is condescending to them even though they are on his and Obama’s side 98% of the time. How stupid is that to piss off the people who want to paint your side in a positive light?
Gibbs has the added confidence
itsonlywords (Diary) Thursday, December 3rd at 11:29AM EST (link)Of know that no matter or condescending or arrogant he is with the press, it’s still highly likely that they’ll paint the Administration in a positive light.
I wish the press would hurry up and get tired of being taken for granted.
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
The so called press is stupid
fayers (Diary) Thursday, December 3rd at 1:49PM EST (link)When the big take over comes ( The Dictatership) the press is the first thing that will be taken over. The dummies don’t have enough sence to realize it.
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Blame Bush for Everything
brolis Monday, December 7th at 9:08AM EST (link)The reason Obama blames Bush for everything is that Bush is to blame for everything.