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		<title>By: Achance</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2009/10/13/will-obama-ask-the-taliban-the-deal-breaker-question/#comment-4903</link>
		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with your last post and I&#039;m surprised you survived.  I&#039;m thinking your days are numbered.</description>
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		<title>By: tlwinslow</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever since history ignoramus Pres. G.W. Bush claimed that Islam is a religion of peace but just happens to have a minority of violent nutcases who want to kill us all and are harbored by the rest, the U.S. and the West generally have totally failed to recognize that the mental AIDS of Islam itself is their greatest threat, since from day one it gave all believers the Mission: Impossible of conquering the world for Allah and Muhammad, and it will never ever give up, like the Terminator. Just because Islam  became moribund for a couple of centuries, that doesn&#039;t change the original orders, does it?  They could care less about infidel George Washington and the infidel U.S. Constitution, despite a few secular Muslim  sellouts like Kemal Ataturk, who seem to be on more shaky ground every day in the Muslim  world.  As to Obama, he&#039;s the #1 mystery man of the world, and I wouldn&#039;t be surprised no matter what he turns out to be, nor should you.

Wake up, it&#039;s an ideology war, two scorpions in a shrinking bottle, and to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan, for instance, the U.S. has to work to educate the people out of Islam. and win one for GW.  Too bad, our own principles, particularly separation of church and state get in the way, but do they really? Even TJ, who coined the term, didn&#039;t say separation of mosque and state, because he was a Deist and loved Jesus as a great moral guide, and didn&#039;t know diddly about Islam  or its history except what he read in Gibbon, who mysteriously painted Muhammad as a great man too, big mistake, he didn&#039;t have to live with them.  Islam  means submission to an eternal union of church and state, and is thus inimical to everything the U.S. stands for, and to win the world war against Islam  we have to destroy it completely militarily, which doesn&#039;t sound very fun, but it&#039;s either us or them, and even then we have to use our power to change it so that it sells out its founder by separating church and state forever before we can leave them  alone.

But can we make a religion sell out its founder? Maybe, but we can also hope to get Muslims to renounce Muhammad and Allah together in favor of anything else, even atheism,, or better, educated scientific Carl Sagan agnosticism,, so they become areligious people like we mainly are, and enjoy their pro sports and don&#039;t give a fig about religion but just want to make their part of the world a better place by learning Science.  To do that our best weapon is the Internet, so why don&#039;t we parachute in massive numbers of cheap Internet terminals preloaded with links to free educational sites of all kinds in their languages, then provide military rescue services for people seeking to escape the grip of Sharia, systematically segregating the secular and fundamentalist Muslims and quarantining the latter.

Too bad Westerners are such history ignoramuses when it comes to Islam, that they never even produced a single site to help people see through Islam, via its hairy history, but never fear, I just put up a new site that teaches the key facts of the rise and spread fast and accurate for free, just click 

http://go.to/islamhistory

It&#039;s not finished yet but it&#039;s pretty good.  Now if we can get it translated into all the Muslim  languages, we could boogey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever since history ignoramus Pres. G.W. Bush claimed that Islam is a religion of peace but just happens to have a minority of violent nutcases who want to kill us all and are harbored by the rest, the U.S. and the West generally have totally failed to recognize that the mental AIDS of Islam itself is their greatest threat, since from day one it gave all believers the Mission: Impossible of conquering the world for Allah and Muhammad, and it will never ever give up, like the Terminator. Just because Islam  became moribund for a couple of centuries, that doesn&#8217;t change the original orders, does it?  They could care less about infidel George Washington and the infidel U.S. Constitution, despite a few secular Muslim  sellouts like Kemal Ataturk, who seem to be on more shaky ground every day in the Muslim  world.  As to Obama, he&#8217;s the #1 mystery man of the world, and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised no matter what he turns out to be, nor should you.</p>
<p>Wake up, it&#8217;s an ideology war, two scorpions in a shrinking bottle, and to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan, for instance, the U.S. has to work to educate the people out of Islam. and win one for GW.  Too bad, our own principles, particularly separation of church and state get in the way, but do they really? Even TJ, who coined the term, didn&#8217;t say separation of mosque and state, because he was a Deist and loved Jesus as a great moral guide, and didn&#8217;t know diddly about Islam  or its history except what he read in Gibbon, who mysteriously painted Muhammad as a great man too, big mistake, he didn&#8217;t have to live with them.  Islam  means submission to an eternal union of church and state, and is thus inimical to everything the U.S. stands for, and to win the world war against Islam  we have to destroy it completely militarily, which doesn&#8217;t sound very fun, but it&#8217;s either us or them, and even then we have to use our power to change it so that it sells out its founder by separating church and state forever before we can leave them  alone.</p>
<p>But can we make a religion sell out its founder? Maybe, but we can also hope to get Muslims to renounce Muhammad and Allah together in favor of anything else, even atheism,, or better, educated scientific Carl Sagan agnosticism,, so they become areligious people like we mainly are, and enjoy their pro sports and don&#8217;t give a fig about religion but just want to make their part of the world a better place by learning Science.  To do that our best weapon is the Internet, so why don&#8217;t we parachute in massive numbers of cheap Internet terminals preloaded with links to free educational sites of all kinds in their languages, then provide military rescue services for people seeking to escape the grip of Sharia, systematically segregating the secular and fundamentalist Muslims and quarantining the latter.</p>
<p>Too bad Westerners are such history ignoramuses when it comes to Islam, that they never even produced a single site to help people see through Islam, via its hairy history, but never fear, I just put up a new site that teaches the key facts of the rise and spread fast and accurate for free, just click </p>
<p>http://go.to/islamhistory</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not finished yet but it&#8217;s pretty good.  Now if we can get it translated into all the Muslim  languages, we could boogey.</p>
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		<title>By: thejimmer</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2009/10/13/will-obama-ask-the-taliban-the-deal-breaker-question/#comment-4901</link>
		<dc:creator>thejimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the guy who sits in the white house office and to the snakes in congress ( I ask for forgiveness from God&#039;s creatures for aligning them) to the buttheads of the senate - they are your true threat. Mental Illness runs amuck

They do care about this country -they are in the process on destroying what has been put into place for aleast 150 yrs. The group in congress needs to be broomed out of office as soon as possible.  Your life, pursuit of happiness and liberty is in the progress of being elimated  

I do not states these things lightly 

We have a state of despair which they all have caused. This just did start with this guy obama - go back to nixon time and he did the same sort of crap to the people then. He thought he was above the law. All these politicans NEED TO KNOW they work for you and me .

They keep making up fraking laws that have no benifits to the republic of this country - You need to tell them get out of our offices - We have people in this country voting for these people who run on the banner of change - The change is that they are going to make it better for themselves no one else


the jimmer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the guy who sits in the white house office and to the snakes in congress ( I ask for forgiveness from God&#8217;s creatures for aligning them) to the buttheads of the senate &#8211; they are your true threat. Mental Illness runs amuck</p>
<p>They do care about this country -they are in the process on destroying what has been put into place for aleast 150 yrs. The group in congress needs to be broomed out of office as soon as possible.  Your life, pursuit of happiness and liberty is in the progress of being elimated  </p>
<p>I do not states these things lightly </p>
<p>We have a state of despair which they all have caused. This just did start with this guy obama &#8211; go back to nixon time and he did the same sort of crap to the people then. He thought he was above the law. All these politicans NEED TO KNOW they work for you and me .</p>
<p>They keep making up fraking laws that have no benifits to the republic of this country &#8211; You need to tell them get out of our offices &#8211; We have people in this country voting for these people who run on the banner of change &#8211; The change is that they are going to make it better for themselves no one else</p>
<p>the jimmer</p>
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		<title>By: mikek369</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikek369</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is Obama&#039;s war and since he does not know how to fight it...http://fortwaynevoiceoftruth.blogspot.com....he should pull out, napalm the poppy fields from on high and let the taliban and al-qaeda have Afghanistan.  

On the other hand, if he wants to reconsider his silly rules of engagement, and get his miranda rights lawyers out of the country then he should let General McChrystal fight the war and keep his goofy ideologies  out of it.

Semper Fi
Mike Konkel
Fort Wayne, IN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is Obama&#8217;s war and since he does not know how to fight it&#8230;http://fortwaynevoiceoftruth.blogspot.com&#8230;.he should pull out, napalm the poppy fields from on high and let the taliban and al-qaeda have Afghanistan.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, if he wants to reconsider his silly rules of engagement, and get his miranda rights lawyers out of the country then he should let General McChrystal fight the war and keep his goofy ideologies  out of it.</p>
<p>Semper Fi<br />
Mike Konkel<br />
Fort Wayne, IN</p>
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		<title>By: dclamage</title>
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		<dc:creator>dclamage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have in fact been combatting murderous Islamic Extremists all around the world. This has been ongoing for decades. Only in the past 8 years have we stepped it up.

Lucky for us, 99% of the 25% of the entire world population is moderately Muslim, not of the &quot;subjugate, enslave or destroy&quot; variety.

It would be a gross mistake to ease up on them now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have in fact been combatting murderous Islamic Extremists all around the world. This has been ongoing for decades. Only in the past 8 years have we stepped it up.</p>
<p>Lucky for us, 99% of the 25% of the entire world population is moderately Muslim, not of the &#8220;subjugate, enslave or destroy&#8221; variety.</p>
<p>It would be a gross mistake to ease up on them now.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTTREADONME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DONTTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul would be proud, because we can not fight all of the enemy everywhere in the world give up, huh?  Glad to see you have absolutely no idea how our enemy functions, then again why would you I do not think you&#039;ve received your clearance yet, but heh, you don&#039;t need a clearance to understand the enemy you have your REASON.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul would be proud, because we can not fight all of the enemy everywhere in the world give up, huh?  Glad to see you have absolutely no idea how our enemy functions, then again why would you I do not think you&#8217;ve received your clearance yet, but heh, you don&#8217;t need a clearance to understand the enemy you have your REASON.</p>
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		<title>By: Tbone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nt</description>
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		<title>By: reason60</title>
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		<dc:creator>reason60</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it will only make one look foolish. 
Continue on the wrong path and hope it leads to a good end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it will only make one look foolish.<br />
Continue on the wrong path and hope it leads to a good end.</p>
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		<title>By: civil_truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>civil_truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And had Obama agreed and run on a platform to withdraw from Afghanistan then, it could be argued that this was a consequence of the election.

But instead Obama ran on a platform of aggressively prosecuting the Afghanistan war - indeed castigating the Bush administration for having ignored this &quot;good&quot; war in favor of Iraq. He  thus rejected your line of argument.

In March he reaffirmed support for the war and said he was instituting a new strategy. For him to reverse course now and accept this logic would be interpreted as cut and run from another conflict, which in conjunction with Iran and the missile shield would be viewed as an unwillingness to use force abroad.

Or leave him open to more malignant interpretations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And had Obama agreed and run on a platform to withdraw from Afghanistan then, it could be argued that this was a consequence of the election.</p>
<p>But instead Obama ran on a platform of aggressively prosecuting the Afghanistan war &#8211; indeed castigating the Bush administration for having ignored this &#8220;good&#8221; war in favor of Iraq. He  thus rejected your line of argument.</p>
<p>In March he reaffirmed support for the war and said he was instituting a new strategy. For him to reverse course now and accept this logic would be interpreted as cut and run from another conflict, which in conjunction with Iran and the missile shield would be viewed as an unwillingness to use force abroad.</p>
<p>Or leave him open to more malignant interpretations.</p>
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		<title>By: reason60</title>
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		<dc:creator>reason60</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is NOT our friend. Framing the war in terms of American domestic Left/ Right politics is a poor strategy. To be blunt, adding thousands of troops simply as a big F-U to the Left isn&#039;t a good idea.
You make a good point-  &quot;acceptance of a resurgent Taliban after 8 years of making war to prevent just that would be understood universally as a defeat&quot;

But then again, having the Taliban control 80% of the country after 8 years of fighting is largely seen as a stalemate. And the COIN strategy depends entirely on the goodwill and earnest efforts of the Karzai regime.

We need to decide what our real goal is- which is to defend America and keep us safe from another 9-11 attack. Right now the assumption is that we need to eliminate any lawless nations where AQ can operate, and make sure that there are no friendly governments acting to harbor AQ.

Unfortunately, this comes very close to demanding a constant operation of nation-building and global policing. There are always going to be lawless areas (like Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia) and unfriendly regimes that would love to host an anti-American or anti-Western group. 

The idea that we should accept constant war and global king-making in order to stay safe is erroneous. AQ even in its heyday, could never threaten us with anything more than boxcutters and lax airport security, The Oklahoma bombing was pulled off by a couple disaffected drifters. Even in these hyper-vigilant times, a single crazed terrorist can set off a bomb at a mall, shoot up a crowded theater, or shoot down a jet with a Stinger. 

There is a terrible price to be paid for constant warfare- during times of war, the central power of the government becomes enlarged, and permanent war ensures permanent centralization of power in the hands of the Executive Branch, which is the opposite of conservative Jeffersonian thought.

There simply is no way that we can completely eliminate any and all terrorist threats, everywhere in the world. Attempting to do so leads us to become the very sort of global Empire we fought a revolution to escape from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is NOT our friend. Framing the war in terms of American domestic Left/ Right politics is a poor strategy. To be blunt, adding thousands of troops simply as a big F-U to the Left isn&#8217;t a good idea.<br />
You make a good point-  &#8220;acceptance of a resurgent Taliban after 8 years of making war to prevent just that would be understood universally as a defeat&#8221;</p>
<p>But then again, having the Taliban control 80% of the country after 8 years of fighting is largely seen as a stalemate. And the COIN strategy depends entirely on the goodwill and earnest efforts of the Karzai regime.</p>
<p>We need to decide what our real goal is- which is to defend America and keep us safe from another 9-11 attack. Right now the assumption is that we need to eliminate any lawless nations where AQ can operate, and make sure that there are no friendly governments acting to harbor AQ.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this comes very close to demanding a constant operation of nation-building and global policing. There are always going to be lawless areas (like Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia) and unfriendly regimes that would love to host an anti-American or anti-Western group. </p>
<p>The idea that we should accept constant war and global king-making in order to stay safe is erroneous. AQ even in its heyday, could never threaten us with anything more than boxcutters and lax airport security, The Oklahoma bombing was pulled off by a couple disaffected drifters. Even in these hyper-vigilant times, a single crazed terrorist can set off a bomb at a mall, shoot up a crowded theater, or shoot down a jet with a Stinger. </p>
<p>There is a terrible price to be paid for constant warfare- during times of war, the central power of the government becomes enlarged, and permanent war ensures permanent centralization of power in the hands of the Executive Branch, which is the opposite of conservative Jeffersonian thought.</p>
<p>There simply is no way that we can completely eliminate any and all terrorist threats, everywhere in the world. Attempting to do so leads us to become the very sort of global Empire we fought a revolution to escape from.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus_Traianus</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally capture/kill OBL. You remember, it was that whole- cut off the head of the snake conversation. AQ and the Taliban will just evaporate and turn to dust. It was Obama&#039;s &quot;magic bullet&quot; that he kept throwing like a dart at GWB. It should have been one of many tip offs that he wasn&#039;t qualified to be CoC.

Meanwhile our guys, have and continue to kill every tango leader that pops his head up- irrespective of the new Obama ROE&#039;s which are getting our guys killed.

But take your time, Barack. As you sit there sipping ice tea, destroying the health care system, taking over GM, ruining our economy, increasing unemployment, burdening our children, raising our taxes and flogging General McCrystal for being honest and articulating what was already approved to be made public, brave soldiers are dying. No rush though. Go polish you Nobel Prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally capture/kill OBL. You remember, it was that whole- cut off the head of the snake conversation. AQ and the Taliban will just evaporate and turn to dust. It was Obama&#8217;s &#8220;magic bullet&#8221; that he kept throwing like a dart at GWB. It should have been one of many tip offs that he wasn&#8217;t qualified to be CoC.</p>
<p>Meanwhile our guys, have and continue to kill every tango leader that pops his head up- irrespective of the new Obama ROE&#8217;s which are getting our guys killed.</p>
<p>But take your time, Barack. As you sit there sipping ice tea, destroying the health care system, taking over GM, ruining our economy, increasing unemployment, burdening our children, raising our taxes and flogging General McCrystal for being honest and articulating what was already approved to be made public, brave soldiers are dying. No rush though. Go polish you Nobel Prize.</p>
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		<title>By: anotherindyfilmguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>anotherindyfilmguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>be assured the O will do all he can to have &quot;peace in our time&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>be assured the O will do all he can to have &#8220;peace in our time&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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