From The Department Of Completely Predictable Consequences


Tax, Spend and Consequences

New York Governor David Paterson discovers the gee-who-coulda-seen-this-coming fact that jacking up marginal tax rates is bad for the economy and not all that helpful to the budget:

[E]arly revenue figures suggest that taxing the wealthy more under this year’s state budget may have driven away richer New Yorkers. That could make the economic comeback for the state even harder.

“You heard the mantra, ‘Tax the rich, tax the rich,’ ” Gov. David Paterson said Wednesday at a gathering of newspaper editors at an Associated Press event in Syracuse. “We’ve done that. We’ve probably lost jobs and driven people out of the state.”

In a similar we-told-you-so vein, the Wall Street Journal notes a GAO report saying that the stimulus has had precisely the effect on state budgets that its critics among the GOP Governors warned it would:

Stimulus money is helping states plug budget holes, but state officials are worried about how they will sustain programs after the federal funds run out, according to a new Government Accountability Office report released Wednesday.

Around $90 billion of the $787 billion stimulus package was dedicated to state Medicaid programs. The money, which goes out quarterly to the states and is known as FMAP funds, has moved faster than stimulus dollars allocated to many other spending categories.

The GAO, the congressional watchdog charged with monitoring how states are handling their share of the stimulus package, found that most states it studied were using the Medicaid funds to cover increased caseloads and to maintain their current services and eligibility criteria. Some states were also using the funds to avoid cutting payments to hospitals and doctors.

State officials “expressed concern about the longer-term sustainability of their Medicaid programs after the increased FMAP funds are no longer available, beginning in January 2011,” the report said.

The report also found some states were using the money to free up other parts of their state budget that would otherwise have been used for Medicaid. Several states reported the funds were helping finance general state budget needs.



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but, but, but, everybody make the same

Greg (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 1:23PM EST (link)

Social justice has been served and government is here to help you…

 

Didn't someone from the Gov's office...

Charles Cianfrocca (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 1:25PM EST (link)

…actually GLOAT when Rush Limbaugh moved, “if I’d have known he’d leave, I’d have raised his taxes long ago”?

That really is weapons-grade cluelessness.

“Get your hand out of my pocket. Ain’t nothin’ there that belongs to you.”

- Sonny Boy Williamson

Now they wish he would comeback back and

Greg (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 1:31PM EST (link)

share his wealth…

 

Patterson himself

JoeG Thursday, September 24th at 1:32PM EST (link)

He said that had he know that this is all it would take to get Rush to leave, he would have raised the taxes sooner.

 
 

The story is being repeated in Oregon

JoeG Thursday, September 24th at 1:43PM EST (link)

Oregon has no sales tax but an income tax.
Washington has no income tax but has a sales tax.

The largest metro area, Portland, is right on the border with Washington. People already move across the river to enjoy no income tax and shop in Oregon to avoid the sales tax.

Now Oregon has added a extra tax for those earning over $125K. It is only accelerating the trend for folks to do the above.

Maryland is having the same issue

Greg (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:23PM EST (link)

They raised the tax on millionaires and now there are fewer millionaires in Maryland… Maryland will eventual run out of the rich to TAX…

 

just wait till Oregon goes to court

kyle8 (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:51PM EST (link)

to try to force Washington to levy an income tax.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

They already tax Washington residents working in Oregon

JoeG Tuesday, September 29th at 11:07PM EST (link)

Sounds like taxation without representation to me.

Several Oregon cities have enacted an income tax. The state courts ruled that you can’t tax non-residents because its outside the authority of local governments to do so. But not so with the state legislature.

 
 
 

The Stimulus Package is brilliantly

UpLateAgain (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:06PM EST (link)

accomplishing its intent, and as time goes by it will become ever more effective.

Unfortunately for us, that intent is not to ramp UP the economy, but rather to ramp it DOWN.

You can’t get ‘social justice’ to take off when an economy is vibrant. People just don’t see a need for it.

The whole idea of a bunch of ‘haves’ and a few ‘have-nots’ is unfair, unfair, unfair. We need EQUAL misery for all…. or, er ….. as it actually works out, a bunch of ‘have-nots’ with just a few ‘haves’.

You never never never actually need a gun, until you need a gun, and then nothing else will do.

Lefties still believe in the Santa Claus of....

izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:19PM EST (link)

…..redistribution.

I have a friend who is a liberal jew. Loves Obama, we get into heated arguments over the economy and Obama policies. Of course he thinks the stimulus is doing wonders and that ObamaCare is the salvation. So he calls me and is driving to Odessa, Texas to produce a video for Odessa on “economic development”. I will let you know how that goes. Odessa is as red as it gets. My friend better bite his lip when they start bashing Obama and the “stimulus”……

Should be an interesting mix. Next time my buddy might send me out to the RED territories instead?

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 

Actually

Dan McLaughlin (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:52PM EST (link)

I think the idea of giving $ the states become dependent on is like giving them heroin. The plan will be to make it politically impossible to resist giving them more.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill

Welfare on Steroids.

UpLateAgain (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 3:19PM EST (link)

The problem is the money has to come from somewhere. Somebody has to produce the largess for the mooks to redistribute. The system isn’t closed, with a limited amount of goody to go around. Wealth is both created and destroyed. The theoretical idea behind a stimulus package is that it jump starts the producers of that largess. but if you are by-passing the producers and going straight to redistribution, at some point the cash flow stops.

Obama and company of course know this (and I mean Obama and the entourage he brought it. Congress, for the most part, is clueless and just playing party politics). Once the cash runs out, then it is no longer a matter of redistributing wealth, it becomes a matter of providing subsistence. ( We’re now into our, what, third extension of jobless benefits?)

This government has been doing everything it can to destroy wealth short of putting a gun to the ribs of those people that still have jobs and telling them to not go to work. None of this is accidental or incompetent. It is deliberate, organized, well thought out, and being passionately pursued.

You never never never actually need a gun, until you need a gun, and then nothing else will do.

 
 
 

Makes me think of BrooksRob

Darin_H (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:24PM EST (link)

Well, we know that NY is on the wrong side of the Laffer curve.

A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls

Too soon after lunch (EDT) to think of BrooksRob. nt

Achance (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:29PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

Well

Darin_H (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:31PM EST (link)

I figured y’all were talking about pliny and flyerhawk on the other thread, that I would make it complete :)

A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls

Darin, I'd take 10 of each of them just to avoid

janis (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:32PM EST (link)

one of that other guy.

 
 
 

Darin, you know how in horror movies you're not supposed

janis (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:30PM EST (link)

to invoke the name of some demon, even accidentally, for fear that they will show up and wreak havoc? Same thing with that name you mentioned here. :-)

Ha

Darin_H (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:33PM EST (link)

unlike the other names, I do believe that BR was hit with the blam stick.

A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls

 
 

If you say his name 3 times

Bill S (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:36PM EST (link)

he might return.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 
 

As Margaret Thatcher said

grinlap Thursday, September 24th at 4:21PM EST (link)

“the trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money”.

True, but the One can just print more money

Greg (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 5:02PM EST (link)
 
 

This mobility of the citizenry

peg_c (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 5:30PM EST (link)

(being able to move from state to state) must be a huge drag to the statists. They’re probably working on a fix for that right now.

Government cannot be the solution when government is the problem.

I see a microchip implant in our future

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 6:11PM EST (link)

Can you say “mark of the Beast”? I knew that you could!

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

And, to Kowalski,

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 6:12PM EST (link)

I think y’all better move on down here to Texas quick as you can, where state income tax is unconstitutional. Before Bambi closes the borders.

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 
 
 

That one falls under the no crap sherlock category -nt

Leopard1996 (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 5:38PM EST (link)

“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen