In the wake of the shooting at the Holocaust Museum, there’s been something of a mad rush by left-wing bloggers to use the shooting to validate the now-infamous Department of Homeland Security report on “right-wing extremists.”.
There are two noteworthy aspects of this effort. One, it continues the DHS report’s willful misidintification of people like James von Brunn, the museum shooter, as “right-wing.” And two, it ultimately embraces the concept of profiling in law enforcement, in ways that liberals used to deplore.
The initial problem with this effort, as Leon and Pejman have detailed, is that von Brunn had more in common with left- than right-wingers: he railed against Christianity, “neocons,” President Bush, John McCain, and Bill O’Reilly, peddled 9/11 conspiracy theories, and had in his possession the address of another possible target: the building that houses The Weekly Standard and the American Enterprise Institute, the nerve center of neoconservatism. Like the DHS report itself, the left-wing commenters simply assume that “racist” = “right-wing,” and therefore lump together conservatives with racists who reject, root and branch, virtually everything conservatives believe in. (This is the historical fallacy used to designate the Nazis as right-wing, when – as Jonah Goldberg details exhaustively in his book Liberal Fascism – they were thoroughgoing economic statists, marketed themselves as a socialist worker’s movement, pushed a platform with numerous planks that could come straight from modern-day liberals and did in fact come from 20th century American progressives, were obsessed with health food and anything “natural” or “organic,” and campaigned persistently to undermine, subvert and replace the authority and legitimacy of Christianity, among other family resemblances to the Left.)
We can see the same effort to link racial hatred to strains of actual right-wingery in the DHS report:
Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.
One wonders if these guys would qualify on the first half of that definition.
The second point of interest is the left-bloggers’ embrace of profiling. Now, let’s back up a bit: law enforcement officers generally rely, in identifying possible suspects in the absence of a direct tip, on their own experience and the institutional knowledge of their departments in identifying who might be a criminal. Profiles are a part of the second half of that equation, one that’s been formalized in recent decades as a regular feature of law enforcement agencies. Profiling principally involves profiles of behavior indicative of various kinds of criminal activity – bank fraud, prostitution, serial killing, drug smuggling, etc. None of this is controversial. What is controversial is including things that aren’t prelude-to-crime behaviors in a profile, whether it be inherent characteristics (race, gender), or what are generally thought of as protected activities (religion, political affliation).
The conservative view on profiling has generally been to treat it as disfavored but not necessarily rule it out entirely, while liberals spent years making a cause celebre of racial profiling (Barack Obama made an anti-profiling crusade one of his priorities as a state legislator). Profiling, if done carefully and drawn narrowly from factual experience, can be a useful law enforcement tool. The problem with profiling people based on general characteristics, especially things like race and religion and political affiliation, is that it tends to feed into stereotypes, be grounded in overbroad generalizations rather than hard evidence, sweep in too many innocent people into a law enforcement net, and as a whole encourage dangerous and usually sloppy law enforcement.
The DHS report was all that, and any liberal worthy of the name would not be defending its sweeping generalizations. And still less would liberals be rushing to validate it based on individual shootings in a nation of 300 million people. Imagine if the DHS report had focused on African-Americans as especially likely to commit murder: how many shootings by lone African-Americans would be enough to justify profiling on the basis of race? More than one or two, I’d bet – certainly I wouldn’t tolerate profiling on such a basis.
Federal surveillance and vigilance against actual groups of potentially violent political extremists, whatever their political stripes, is of course reasonable. And conservatives, being believers in the virtue of experience as the basis of knowledge, should not turn up our noses at efforts to draw profiles of other possible groups based on experience with existing ones. But we can and should demand something more rigorous than sloppy generalizations in venturing onto the dangerous turf of profiling political opponents of the current Administration (the same Administration whose Attorney General has previously raised the temperature of otherwise peaceful political debate by threatening to criminally prosecute members of the outgoing Administration over policy differences).
But liberals who are cheering this sort of thing ought to be deeply ashamed of themselves, if they ever meant anything they said about racial profiling.
Steve Maley
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I haven't read the whole memo...
cannedjam (Diary) Saturday, June 13th at 1:19AM EST (link)but did it mention anything about ex-con octogenarians who were in the military 65 years ago?
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PGDeFreese (Diary) Saturday, June 13th at 8:12AM EST (link)Mein Führer! I can walk!
They have come full circle and embraced the fanatical.
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Excellent points
Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Saturday, June 13th at 8:46AM EST (link)Excellent points, Dan. This certainly reveals a lefist hypocrisy.
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thetenor Saturday, June 13th at 10:35AM EST (link)which is why we need to start right now a petition to DHS to also include LEFT WING radicals in their analyses to idenify sources of potential threats.
I think...
Brian Faughnan (Diary) Saturday, June 13th at 11:07AM EST (link)that starting a petition to include left-wing and liberal groups in DHS profiling makes a good political point – ie, if you’re going to profile on one end of the spectrum, you ought to profile on the other. However, once you get past the narrow political point, I don’t think this is the right way to go. Do we really want a DHS report – or two DHS reports – detailing the extremists at either end of the spectrum? How many law enforcement agencies really need Uncle Sam to tell them who’s dangerous? I think any cop, FBI agent, IRS agent, Secret Service agent, sheriff, etc knows who to be watchful for.
Also
Dan McLaughlin (Diary) Saturday, June 13th at 12:50PM EST (link)They did also do a memo on left-wing terrorists, but it was not the same kind of sloppy hack job.
“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill
Profile me
DerKrieger (Diary) Saturday, June 13th at 11:14AM EST (link)If the government continues to encroach on my liberties and reach deeper into my pockets to fund their vision of a socialist Utopia they can count me as someone who hates our government.
I’m not likely to sit here, shrug my shoulders, and accept my government directed fate either.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
No kidding.
toughintn (Diary) Saturday, June 13th at 12:37PM EST (link)I understand Washington enough to know why they made this resolution — and with Iran on the planet, I guess it’s necessary to spell it out:
http://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2009/06/12/1005837/congress-condemns-holocaust-museum-shooting
But crime is always motivated by some kind of “hate.”
James von Brunn was a despicable human being, but he would have been just as horrifying if he had targeted a school playground or a nursing home. Would we then have been including a category for hate crimes against children (an interesting subject) or senior citizens? Why didn’t the resolution contain “age” as a protected category?
Profiling based on the “potential to hate” (according to a liberal definition) will always lead to stifling the free speech rights of the law-abiding — just like gun control punishes the legal gun owner, not the criminal.
Great Article
kcdude (Diary) Saturday, June 13th at 12:39PM EST (link)You laid out the concepts and nailed it. Profiling has been a cornerstone of good police and investigative work since the beginniing of the constabulary.
It is the misuse of profiling, the concentration on areas of an individual that are not related to behavior, such as race, creed, clothing, without consideration of the individual’s actions, that give a great tool a bad name.
Every law enforcement officer worth his or her salt uses profiling everyday to determine whether or not criminal activity is afoot.
The tripe in the DHS report that is the a perfect example of creed profiling. lWhen good folks get labeled and the press joins the in the frenzy by misidentifying people, we all lose.
MSM should reread their history
paint_it_red (Diary) Saturday, June 13th at 3:16PM EST (link)Painting a Nazi-sympathizer as “right wing” forgets that the Nazis were left wing. I’m not sure how anyone can miss that a party that advocated national socialism came from the left.
“It is not good to cultivate a respect so much for the law as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think is right.” Henry David Thoreau
“The means we use must be as pure as the ends we seek.” Martin Luther King Jr.
“If you want peace, work for Justice.” Pope John Paul II
What? Ruin their revisionist fantasy?
Husker (Diary) Sunday, June 14th at 12:27AM EST (link)I don’t think their delicate statist psyche’s could deal with the trauma of reality.
We’ve all seen what the sycophant media arm of this government does to someone who dares to have a differing opinion than the statist view – systematic character assassinations.
Nazism
Shadowin Sunday, June 14th at 3:47PM EST (link)While it incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right.
Sources: Fritzsche, Peter. 1998. Germans into Nazis. Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press; Eatwell, Roger, Fascism, A History, Viking/Penguin, 1996, pp.xvii-xxiv, 21, 26–31, 114–140, 352. Griffin, Roger. 2000. “Revolution from the Right: Fascism,” chapter in David Parker (ed.) Revolutions and the Revolutionary Tradition in the West 1560-1991, Routledge, London.
In the 1930s, Nazism was not a monolithic movement, but rather a (mainly German) combination of various ideologies and philosophies which centered around nationalism, anti-communism, traditionalism and the importance of the ethnostate.
The first three are mainstays of the right. The fourth is just racist, but you do hear it from racists who identify as conservatives in our country; usually the ones who are afraid of the “browning” of America. For example, John Gibson told his viewers to “do your duty, make more babies” when he discovered that nearly half of all children under the age of five in the United States are minorities.
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IJB Sunday, June 14th at 4:52PM EST (link)G'bye (nt)
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IJB Sunday, June 14th at 4:56PM EST (link)I just didn’t want to come out and say it…
And since you're not here anymore, we don't have to explain. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, June 14th at 4:56PM EST (link)Gee, he was here for 3 years and 7 months and
janis (Diary) Sunday, June 14th at 5:04PM EST (link)now he’s gone. In all that time, he made exactly three comments including this one.
How ever will we replace him and how will we fill that big empty literary space that he left behind?
gretchens... nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, June 14th at 5:06PM EST (link)does gretchens havew a special meaning i'm not aware off?
gekster (Diary) Sunday, June 14th at 5:57PM EST (link)or did I miss something else here?
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
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Translates to single digit IQ stupid.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, June 14th at 6:11PM EST (link)See here, but you gotta read the whole thread to get full gist.
I got it. A gretchins is:
gekster (Diary) Sunday, June 14th at 11:05PM EST (link)I’m not trying to being mean here, but from the comments I have read atributed to this “gretchen,”
I can say a “gretchen” is an idiot/troll who wanders the halls of RS poking people
Not your regular troll mind you, but a special one.
a troll who sees they have been found out as a troll, but they just don’t know when to quit.
An idiot.
Could that be it
kowalski in the same comment:
I wrote this, whent back to check on comments, and couldn’t find.
just to check my facts.
Oh well.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
eyesroll would be the normal reaction, but...
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Sunday, June 14th at 6:24PM EST (link)it is not something we can dismiss that 100′s of thousands (anyone have a stat on how many US children Graduate from HS and/or College) coming out with this blatant Indoctrination!?!?
For the Trolls/Mobies… Try and explain away again…
Where did Marx come from (and I don’t mean the Comedic brothers team)
Why “Socialist” is right in the NSDAP (Nazi – english warping of the NSD sound)
NSDAP – translated – Natl Socialist German Workers Party
Only truth in his comment was the German Socialists’ disdain for the Russian version (Lenin/Stalin) of it… Trading one version of RULING ELITES for another is the Leftist (and always has been and will be the Leftist) notion. Leftists do not care how they obtain power only that they will be able to ensure they get to be the Ruling Elite amongst that Power. Big Government of ANY kind is NEVER a Right notion/ideal (true Conservatives anyway, as for here – there were plenty of clowns with R’s that forget that when they had control and therefore we allowed it to be stripped from them).
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this sounds like your typical Harvard fourth year
David Hinz (Diary) Sunday, June 14th at 5:06PM EST (link)level class — a healthy dose of liberal indoctrination set around a pea of truth and a mountain of dung.
National Socialist Party sure SOUNDS right…
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You give him/her too much credit. It's on Wikipedia almost word for word.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, June 14th at 6:30PM EST (link)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
National Socialist German Workers Party
Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, June 14th at 6:46PM EST (link)The Chancellor, once in power, began telling the well-off business leaders what they could or couldn’t do in the weak economy.
He proposed great projects to stimulate the national economy.
He expanded government for the Good of the People.
He hacked off previous good relationships, such as with the Pope.
He took traditional situations and stuck his campaign logo into them.
He promised change from the mistakes of war in the past and the Generals who ‘betrayed us.’
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