Second Circuit: Second Amendment Doesn’t Apply To The States Unless The Supreme Court Tells Us Otherwise


Setback for the Constitutional Right To Bear Nunchaku

NunchakuThe United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, the federal appeals court sitting in Manhattan, rejected this morning a legal challenge by an attorney convicted on Long Island of possession of nunchaku, or chuka sticks, who argued that the Second Amendment protects his right to bear these traditional Okinawan weapons.

The court’s decision, however, did not address whether the Second Amendment protects a right to have nunchaku in your home, as it instead disposed of the legal challenge on the considerably more significant grounds that the Second Amendment is not “incorporated” as a restriction on state government by the Fourteenth Amendment:

It is settled law… that the Second Amendment applies only to limitations the federal government seeks to impose on th[e individual] right [to keep and bear arms recognized in Heller]. See, e.g., Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 265 (1886) (stating that the Second Amendment “is a limitation only upon the power of congress and the national government, and not upon that of the state”); Bach v. Pataki, 408 F.3d 75, 84, 86 (2d Cir. 2005) (holding “that the Second Amendment’s ‘right to keep and bear arms’ imposes a
limitation on only federal, not state, legislative efforts” and noting that this outcome was compelled by Presser), cert. denied, 546 U.S. 1174 (2006). Heller, a case involving a challenge to the District of Columbia’s general prohibition on handguns, does not invalidate this longstanding principle. See Heller, 128 S. Ct. at 2813 n.23 (noting that the case did not present the question of whether the Second Amendment applies to the states). And to the extent that Heller might be read to question the continuing validity of this principle, we “must follow Presser” because “[w]here, as here, a Supreme Court precedent ‘has direct application in a case, yet appears to rest on reasons rejected in some other line of decisions, the Court of Appeals should follow the case which directly controls, leaving to the Supreme Court the prerogative of overruling its own decisions.’” Bach, 408 F.3d at 86 (quoting Rodriguez de Quijas v. Shearson/Am. Express, Inc., 490 U.S. 477, 484 (1989))…Thus, N.Y. Penal Law §§ 265.00 through 265.02 do not violate the Second Amendment.

I will leave it to the Second Amendment scholars to discuss the proper reading of Presser; suffice it to say that judicial conservatives who argued that the Fourteenth Amendment does not incorporate the whole Bill of Rights into prohibitions against the states lost that fight years ago, and it will be an ironic twist if liberal champions of incorporation (including the new Justice Department) suddenly rediscover skepticism about the doctrine to protect state-level gun controls. Conservatives as well will face the issue of how to square the weight of pro-incorporation precedent with arguments for reconsidering the doctrine and limiting its further expansion. But make no mistake: sooner or later the Supreme Court is going to have to return to the issue, and its decision will have vast impact on whether Heller becomes a limitation on state and local gun controls or remains limited to federal gun control.

It also remains to be seen, given the novelty of the weapon involved, whether the Supreme Court will be interested in taking up this question in this case, if a certiorari petition is filed, and what position Obama’s Justice Department will take if one is and it is asked by the Court to weigh in. Stay tuned.


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There was a time

10ksnooker (Diary) Wednesday, January 28th at 11:17AM EST (link)

That Democrats said the Second Amendment didn’t apply to blacks …

umm, uhh, err, ahh, I think that was taken care of by the 14th Amendment. Surly the judge can read, can’t he? Afterall, he is a judge.

That would be the case once again, looks like...

mikefisk (Diary) Wednesday, January 28th at 11:28AM EST (link)

…only this time, in the sake of not appearing blatantly racist, it just won’t apply to anyone.

“Once within the maw of Leviathan, degree of digestion is irrelevant.” – Michael Fisk

9.25, -4.77

 
 

It's never too late to hold off the 14th,

johnt Wednesday, January 28th at 11:42AM EST (link)

to throw a little sand in it’s path at least.
Never figured out how the 2nd was supposedly swallowed up by the 14th, along with the 9th and 10th. As the latter two are, as they say, still on the books a reasonable jurisprudence would defer to a Federalist concept of individual rights on gun ownership.

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

 

News Flash! 2nd Circuit re-legalizes slavery!

rocketeer (Diary) Wednesday, January 28th at 11:42AM EST (link)

Since the 14th amendment doesn’t apply to what *states* can do, then any state of the union can implement any sort of law, right?

But…wasn’t the 14th amendment written to assert that any person born within these federal borders was a U.S. citizen, and covered by federal law? Then I’m certainly covered by individual protections of the 2nd amendment, and any contrary state law conflicts with the Constitution. Right???


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There's still the thorny issue

mikefisk (Diary) Wednesday, January 28th at 11:48AM EST (link)

…of the 13th Amendment to contend with.

“Once within the maw of Leviathan, degree of digestion is irrelevant.” – Michael Fisk

9.25, -4.77

The headline was only a teaser, but the 14th amendment remains

rocketeer (Diary) Wednesday, January 28th at 11:51AM EST (link)

It says I’m entitled to my 2nd amendment rights, no matter what the state says.


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I don't buy incorporation to begin with

Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, January 28th at 4:00PM EST (link)

So I dissent.

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Second Circuit: Second Amendment Doesn’t Apply To The States Unless The Supreme Court Tells Us Otherwise

oldtrooper Wednesday, January 28th at 11:44AM EST (link)

The 2nd Amendment, the 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS Heller ruling will be challenged by the new Obama Socialists until it returns through the serpentine path back to SCOTUS again.

Until then, All of Our Rights will continue to be threatened by the Socialists. There is no Democrat Party anymore. They are clearly Socialists. Look for All of the Bill of Rights to be subject to debate.
Obama already stated that the Founding Fathers hopes & dreams and Intent is “Out of Touch” with his Marxist Vision of America as he would break & bend it to suit his fancy.

Those that are doing their best to Nationalize Industry, Education, Finance & Banking and redistribute wealth were voted into power by the most dumbed down generation of American Voters in the history of Our Nation. The Courts will try to legislate from the bench
as well.

Six months from now, they will have the greatest sense of buyers remorse in the history of the Nation. That will give the 2010 elections critical importance. Obama & the Socialists are winging it. They will Fail.

 

Maybe the amendments of the Constitution should be read like firewall rules...

Attack Mode (Diary) Wednesday, January 28th at 12:03PM EST (link)

To me it seems that it would clear up quite a bit.

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conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

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“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

They would still find a way to "tunnel through." (nt)

larueladue (Diary) Wednesday, January 28th at 2:36PM EST (link)
 

Nunchucks

Robert A. Hahn (Diary) Wednesday, January 28th at 3:42PM EST (link)

Drink Good Coffee. You can sleep when you’re dead.

That's going to cost you

Lammo (Diary) Wednesday, January 28th at 4:53PM EST (link)

some time in the box. Me too since I laughed out loud.

Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (John Corapi, The Black Sheep Dog)

 

Now that there's funny.

itrytobenice (Diary) Wednesday, January 28th at 5:57PM EST (link)

I don’t care who you are.

Proper grammar saves lives.

Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.


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Now here's a decision that should get some justices impeached

The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, January 29th at 5:41AM EST (link)

Heller clearly delineates that the 2nd Amendment shares the same level of protection as those covered in the 1st. Since the 14th has already been used to enforce 1st Amendment restrictions against the states, it does so with the 2nd as well. There is no more direct connection than that ruling.

I think an objective reading of this case makes it clear that there was a tacit agreement to establish this case as a challenge to Heller because the combination of the plaintiffs and the weapon present the court with same sort of obnoxious people who caused the Miller Decision. As recent scholarship has shown, the Miller decision is so rife with judicial error, that absent Miller, if a similar case were similarly decided by a lower court and appealed to SCOTUS today, that case would be remanded back to the lower court to fix the egregious errors so fast it would make your head spin.