Disbelieving Obama


The Triumph of Hope Over Experience

One of the recurring themes of the Obama campaign is that his supporters dismiss anything they find inconvenient in his record, platform or statements on the trail on the theory that he was just doing or saying stuff he doesn’t believe to pander to somebody else, whereas when he says something I like, that of course must be what he really means. Only the shallowness of his record – the fact that he’s almost never had to stick to any one position under enough fire to prove that he means it, never had to build a record of deeds and not just words – enables people to sustain this sort of wishcasting, which Iowahawk brilliantly skewered in his “who are the rubes?” post (for the Harry Potter fans, Tom Maguire has compared him to the Mirror of Erised in which one views one’s deepest desires). It’s almost a willful choice to get suckered. Obama gave millions of dollars to Ayers and ACORN and joined the New Party? Just needed to pander to the far left. Obama spent 20 years with a racist, America-hating preacher? Just needed to pander to African-Americans who thought he wasn’t black enough. Obama spent years cozied up to and trading favors with the Chicago machine? Just needed to buy their support…of course, he’s really a reformer. Etc.

It doesn’t stop with his shady associates – Beldar finds example after example of this in the Washington Post’s endorsement of Obama:

Almost every favorable word the WaPo writes about Obama is based on their hopes and projections about what they think and hope he might do as president, not what he actually has done.

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So how about international trade? Where’s the historic evidence on that? “We also can only hope that the alarming anti-trade rhetoric we have heard from Mr. Obama during the campaign would give way to the understanding of the benefits of trade reflected in his writings.” Let’s see: Campaign promises made to anti-trade unions who’ve given him millions of dollars and votes, on the one hand, versus vague sentiments in his second book and the WaPo’s “hopes,” on the other hand. Which weighs more? Hopes!

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There’s never a “we know he would do this” because he “successfully championed legislation.” There’s never a “we know he’s really committed to that” because “he risked his career by bucking his own party.” Instead – as the WaPo again admits – “We had hoped, throughout this long campaign, to see more evidence that Mr. Obama might stand up to Democratic orthodoxy and end, as he said in his announcement speech, ‘our chronic avoidance of tough decisions.’” Earth to WaPo: When you hope something, and it never comes true, that’s called a “hoping in vain.”

Iraq, of course, is one of the classic examples of this. Sooner or later, the next president will face decisions that create a tension between the desire to bring the troops home ASAP and the need to keep a certain number of boots on the ground to avoid having the hard-won successes of the past two years unravel. You can insist until you are blue in the face that such tradeoffs don’t exist, but that’s the reality: we may be less needed and in lesser numbers than before, but our troops are still performing important functions in helping the Iraqi government and military solidify the gains that have been made.

When those tensions arise, when top military brass and experts in the area are saying they need to have less aggressive withdrawal timetables and the anti-war movement is pressing for a rapid pullout, which side will Obama choose? The anti-war faction looks at his 2002 war speech and 2007-08 opposition to the surge, and tell themselves that Obama will side with them. The rest – including conservative Democrats who, like the WaPo editorial board, may not now think the war was a good idea but think precipitate withdrawal would be disastrous – look at his ‘stay the course’ position of 2003-06 and his more conciliatory statements during the general election, and tell themselves that he will side with security.

They can’t both be right. And realistically, even given the strong signal of his opposition to the surge, there’s no way for anybody to be quite certain which side is being lied to by Obama. Maybe he doesn’t even know.

Of course, that sort of hedging act is done by almost every politician…but with Obama, it encompasses nearly everything in his record, because even on issues like abortion where he’s staked out a very consistently extreme record for a period of years, people seem to convince themselves that he’s been lying all along, he doesn’t, for example, really support federal taxpayer money to subsidize abortions.

This essay captures the same dynamic regarding how Obama’s religion is viewed by people who find Gov. Palin’s religious beliefs in and of themselves alarming:

Many critics stand ready to mock Palin’s Christianity. Fair enough. Will they also mock Obama’s and Biden’s?

Christianity is a miracle religion. Absent belief in the miraculous, there is nothing left of Christianity worth the name.

Here is the story in a nutshell: Christ was both man and God. God took on human flesh and entered into the physical world to perform a mission. The mission was to save the fallen human race, and to do so Christ had to die and then rise from the dead. That is why Easter, not Christmas, is the greatest of Christian holidays. It celebrates the Resurrection, the central dogma of Christianity. This is not my just my opinion, it is orthodox Christian teaching. In Corinthians 15:17 Paul states that “if Christ be not raised, your faith is in vain”.

Obama has gone on record as stating that Christ is his Lord, that he prays to Jesus. I see three possibilities:

1. Obama was lying: he believes no such thing, but finds it politically expedient to claim he does.
2. Obama accepts as fact the Resurrection of Christ.
3. Obama is an idiot.

Obama is no idiot. So does he believe that a corpse dead on Friday came back to life on Sunday? And if so, does he accept as facts the rest of Christ’s miracles? Prior to his death, Christ is said to have resurrected a corpse, made the blind see, walked on water, and turned water into wine. I can’t see why anyone would believe in the Resurrection, and deny the rest. Why strain at gnats?

The theory that the earth is only 6000 years old appears to be pre-scientific nonsense. It contradicts known facts about the rates at which radioactive materials decay. By the same token, a corpse coming back to life violates the laws of thermodynamics, and walking on water violates the laws of gravity.

So far as I know Palin is not a Young Earther. But if she were, her belief would be no more at odds with science than is Obama’s stated belief that Christ is Lord. I suspect those who mock Palin’s belief without mocking Obama’s do so because in their hearts they imagine that Obama does not actually believe. He just says what he has to say to attain power. And they’re ok with that. They mock Palin because they imagine she means what she says.

H/T, via Ace. It’s the same thing again. Those who find Obama’s Christianity reassuring tell themselves that he believes. Those who find Christianity disturbing tell themselves that he doesn’t really mean it. Willing suspension of disbelief.


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Wonderful

LizVBronx (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 5:36PM EST (link)

This is so beautifully rendered, Dan. Bravo!

It is so darn true. This is why I believe John McCain can do nothing at this point to win, only let the other side’s propaganda wear thin, hope more “Joe the Plumber” happens, and keep Joe Biden talking.
I think the only thing that can sink O is O.

 

Pray for mercy

kowalski (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 5:41PM EST (link)

We’ve had a President for the last eight years who squandered his resources here in the US because he’s probably the worst person in the world to advocate for himself.

People are wondering why he’s now gifting the United States with a “mission accomplished” banner that paves the road to Socialism, but it’s no mystery to me.

The moron in the Oval Office couldn’t speak.

BTW there is no disputing that Bush is a moron

kowalski (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 5:46PM EST (link)

The only question should be whether his entire family should take the blame for allowing the moron to take the Presidency.

I think personally that the entire family should hang.

 
 

Obama has oversold himself

izoneguy (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 5:58PM EST (link)

I sure as hell would not want to be Obama come Jan. 20th.

What are his plans to quell the masses when hope & change fade to anger & disgust?

Obama will be fighting wars on three fronts….
With his staff…
With his followers here…
And with a dozen countries out for American blood….

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

'Moron' is inappropriate

hunter (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 6:03PM EST (link)

Something has gone wrong, but calling him names is not helping.
That he declined to lead after about 2005 is clear. He went defensive and never really tried to do more than keep the war going towards a reasonable outcome.
But I think we all should stop the pile on.
He has done much good- kept us safe, lowered taxes, gotten us over 62 months of uninterrupted growth, seen a sea change in leadership from Europe and Canada, etc.
He is clearly no moron, and I am tired of granting anything to the lefties who slander and tear him down from their low-class venal hatreds.
Because the lefties- and do not forget this- hate us. A lot.

hunter

One other thing

kowalski (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 6:04PM EST (link)

Bush the Elder should have looked at this guy who he put up for President and realized how badly he was going to hurt the Republican Party and the United States.

The reason Barack Obama is ahead in the polls at all is because Republicans are still assocatiated with THE MORON IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

The man who couldn’t make an imporatant speech about national policy to save his life.

The man who has been so completely absent in terms of understanding where the world was heading that millions of people in this country — not some foreign potentate — are now wondering whether or not they’ll make it through this year.

The man who wrecked the Republican Party is sitting there, right behind the desk in the Oval Office, right now.

It’s sad to say that The Onion had it right back in 2004.

 
 
 

If only

hunter (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 6:05PM EST (link)

People will wake up and get ‘buyer’s doubt’ before it turns into ‘buyer’s remorse’.
It would help a LOT if the Republican in the race would really vigorously motivate people to vote for him,and not just against The One.

hunter

 

This isnt anything new

Mr_Green Monday, October 20th at 6:22PM EST (link)

Former Hillary supporter here. Im just letting you know that this is not new, and if history repeats itself will not be rectified.

Obama was given a pass on everything up and down the establishment from advocates and traditional Clintonites to the media, etc. I Read this on RCP too, but Obama was never scrutinized the same way Hillary was, and I’ve basically been seeing the same situation that played out in the primaries playing out in the general election all over again. It almost feels like theres some conspiracy (I know, Im not one of those people that yells ‘conspiracy’ all the time, it just feels like it). But whats also weird is the fact that this is working for the second time and that McCain doesnt seem to look back at the very recent Democratic Primaries to find ways to counter it. He ends up doing the same things Hillary did and if thats the case then I wont be suprised if the same outcome occurs.

It's not just that

Mr_Green Monday, October 20th at 6:24PM EST (link)

Im certain Republicans would still have a majority in the House and Senate if not for Bush. I dont see another scenario where they could have lost it in one fell swoop like that.

not to be a contrarian

McPALINation Monday, October 20th at 6:26PM EST (link)

but I am masochistic enough to be currently reading his first book (you know, the one I’ve heard Ayers likely wrote), and I can’t help but wonder whether he would really be “fighting” anything, particularly any other countries/groups looking to hurt us, if he does win this election. From what I am reading (gagging on, perhaps–it is really a tough read, given how his affect or style seems so deeply, deeply negative about EVERYTHING in his life and about being American) it just seems to me that he’d kind of relish in this country and/or her people getting hurt. I can’t help but feel very strongly that he is going to get a lot of people killed. A Navy vet myself, how our troops all over the middle east cope with the stress of his candidacy and campaign is beyond me, and I’d just like to give a RedState shout out to all of them that we’re proud of them, we’re thinking of them, and we’re fighting for them here as hard as we can here.

I AM (very disappointed) JOE

You go too far

Dan McLaughlin (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 6:28PM EST (link)

Look, I think there are plenty of things Bush can be faulted for, and certainly communications skills are at or near the top of the list. That said, the man is not a moron, and nor is he incapable of giving the occasional good speech (recall some of his big speeches between 9/01 and 1/02 or his 2004 Convention speech or his 2005 Inaugural). It’s the more mundane business of daily give and take he can’t handle.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill

The other way around

Kyle-MI (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 6:40PM EST (link)

The Republican leadership in the House and Senate pulled Bush in the wrong direction more than Bush pulled them. At best it was mutually assured (political) destruction.

People

gigi21 Monday, October 20th at 6:53PM EST (link)

Bush got to the Oval Office through two elections. Elections are our responsibility. It was the responsibility of the voters.

Like the buyer's remorse

gigi21 Monday, October 20th at 6:55PM EST (link)

We’re choking out in these comments about Bush?…see above.

Yeah, sadly

BlueLandRed (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 6:55PM EST (link)

Moron is not the right words. I’ve got a lot of words, that do fit. Most of them aren’t printable on a “family” blog, however. ANd Bush isn’t the only Republican that didn’t follow through on their promise to be conservatives. You only have to look at the national debt to a get a true sense of what happened when Republicans took over DC.

I have no idea what will happen in a Democratic controlled DC, but we’re going to find out and the Republicans and only the Republicans to blame for it. They could have stayed in power a long time, but for their utter hubris.

And I know this is a blog designed to help Republicans get elected… so all I’ll limit what I say here. For the first time in a very very long time, I won’t be voting for anybody in the party of my father and grandfather. The GOP needs to be purged and rebuilt and until that happens, I’m afraid all I can do is watch and bite my tongue.

Thank you Dan

McPALINation Monday, October 20th at 7:00PM EST (link)

I don’t know if it was a good speech, but there is a great excerpt on this vid. I’ve been in an email chain to pass this one around a bit just so everyone recalls (if it doesn’t post correctly, forgive me in advance) [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqh4wQPoQk]

I AM (very disappointed) JOE

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

get on the offensive

marks (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 7:11PM EST (link)

all these posts are getting whiny on the media hypocrisy or obama supporters hypocracy.

u know what? i don’t think its helping..

Lets starting getting on the offensive.. keep talking about the failed “redistribution of wealth” record of obama. his housing policy record of failed homes and enriching his donors is killer, but noone’s attacking on this. forget the associations, its not working.

obama = redistribution = failure.

every post should support that theme!!

 

Awesome post, Dan.

Mord (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 7:14PM EST (link)

Pointing out the sharp contrast between what people HOPE he will do and his actual (on-video!) positions when talking to different crowds always confounds people.

This election will either be the biggest democratic win in recent history, aided by a media who the majority of americans think are actively trying to help a particular candidate, or a firm rejection of the media meme and a win for McCain.

If we are to believe what we are told, the entire world wants Obama to be elected, including most of the world’s dictators and religious tyrants, but THEY don’t count. We have been told repeatedly over the past 2 years that only racists oppose Obama (plus democrats in general) and his socialist (caught on tape, thanks Joe) agenda. Joe the plumber became an instant catylist for the screaming minority’s perpetual outrage, and he has been publicly dissected and mocked because he dared to question an elected official. No scrutiny at all is given to Obama’s answer.

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“Republicans never win polls, they win elections,” – Rudy Giuliani

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Marbe Philip Berg's lawsuit will be the Hail Mary pass.

Republicanuck (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 7:47PM EST (link)

But perhaps not. I’m guessing that the suit will be dismissed, based on his citizenship being certifed by ACORN – I suppose if it’s good enough for Ohio it’s good enough for the Presidency.

 

Ayers, the Weathermen and 8 Year Old Obama

Big Apple Infidel (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 8:42PM EST (link)

B. Hussein Obama keeps defending his relationship with Bill Ayers by repeating the line that, “Ayers did some reprehensible things when I was 8 years old.”

Today, October 20, 2008, in Nyack, NY a memorial service was held to honor Nyack Police Officers Sgt. Ed O’Grady and P.O. Waverly Brown and Brinks Guard Peter Paige, who were gunned down on October 20, 1981, by members of the Weather Underground, acting in a joint terrorist operation with the Black Liberation Army. One of the arrested terrorists was Kathy Boudin, whose child was raised while she was in jail, by fellow Weathermen Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

In the fall of 1981, Obama would have been a 20 year old undergraduate student at Columbia University, a short distance from Nyack. Surely, the 20 year old Obama had occasion to see the wall-to-wall news coverage of these heinous terrorist murders caused by the organization of his subsequent friend and colleague, Bill Ayers.

Greetings from occupied territory!

Not going to happen

BlueLandRed (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 8:46PM EST (link)

There is plenty of evidence that he was born in Hawaii… including a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser. Besides, Berg should have never filed his suit in PA, but in the state of Hawaii, which has the specific paperwork he is seeking to look at.

Fact Check

wow...

Badill_T Monday, October 20th at 8:47PM EST (link)

Kowalski, it sounds you’ve got a case of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

I feel like I’ve entered some alternate universe.

Unfortunately, he's just saying...

Bill S (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 8:49PM EST (link)

…what a lot more of us have been thinking. Maybe not quite as forcefully, but to some extent, anyway.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

RedState condones hanging

marfan Monday, October 20th at 8:54PM EST (link)

Sounds like Russia. Ref. Czar Nicholas II and family.

So I hear from the Afghanistan front that

Uma Richie (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 8:54PM EST (link)

most are too busy and feeling too detached from election for it to distract from their daily lives; however, our allies are asking some tough questions, e.g., the Pakistanis want to know if we are really going to invade their country.

just Chads

PaRep (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 8:55PM EST (link)

Bad timing...

Putter (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 9:03PM EST (link)

11/05/08 would be a better time to air our dirty laundry. This is bulletin board material for those that are pushing the McSame meme.

Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies…

You know, if you had just asked me nicely I would have dinged Kowalski for that.

Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 9:06PM EST (link)

But then, the opportunity to sneer was the important thing, right?

Ta.

Moe Lane

PS: Behave, Kowalski.

:Shrug: He burned all of his political capital in winning the war.

Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 9:10PM EST (link)

And considering what happened to this country the last time we lost one, I’m not going to complain.

I don't think so

Bill S (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 9:18PM EST (link)

In fact, I think it reinforces the fact that we support McCain precisely because he ISN’T the 2nd coming of GWB. The line would be that we are not pleased with what W did in office, and we believe McCain will do better.

That said, Alex’s screed was a bit over the top, especially the line that the (now departed) troll pointed to. O well, we all get over-excited occasionally.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

Everyone gets to change their minds

Badill_T Monday, October 20th at 9:22PM EST (link)

I don’t think Bush is as bad as that (like Moe said, he pushed to win the war) but I do not think he’ll be judged kindly by history.

That said, it’s a bit sad that longtime contributors to a conservative blog that has rabidly defended Bush in the past are now trashing his name, his intelligence, and his legacy.

I guess things change.

I think you're a bit mistaken about the "rabidly defending" thing

Bill S (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 9:28PM EST (link)

Yes, we have defended W on his prosecution of the War on Terror and the efforts in Iraq. But many here have voiced concerns and downright disgust with some of his decisions. A few examples where I recall a lot of disagreement:

1) Dubai ports
2) Harriet Miers
3) Spending policies (e.g. NCLB)

I am sure I’ve missed others, especially since I only started following RS around January of 2007 (signed up to post a bit later)

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

ignorance

Badill_T Monday, October 20th at 9:29PM EST (link)

The Czar and his family were shot.

Why not reference Hussein or some other recent hanging? Your trolling was weak.

Because generally speaking the notorious people who have been hanged lately...

Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 9:34PM EST (link)

…generally have been seen as deserving it?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Well done, Crank. I don't know whether it is hope or delusion, though.

spainishirish (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 9:57PM EST (link)

It requires a blank slate to project one’s hopes. Obama is so unaccomplished almost any trait can be attributed to him. It has been creepy, almost chilling, to watch highly intelligent friends embrace the Cult of Personality with almost religious fervor. When pressed for specifics, they are as vague as Obama himself.

I don’t know whether celebrity worship is a symptom or the disease itself, but there is no question it has seriously diminshed critical thought in our beloved country.

sure

Badill_T Monday, October 20th at 10:59PM EST (link)

I guess I was responding to historical ignorance with a bit of snark. Definitely could have gone over the line there. Fortunately it was subtle enough, I think… sorry ’bout that.

small point

Badill_T Monday, October 20th at 11:05PM EST (link)

To my knowledge NCLB didn’t increase spending. Ironically, it’s one of the few situations where I wouldn’t mind a bit more government intervention, as my home state (TX) is not known for its education system. (If you must ask, every dollar of added spending should go straight to teachers’ salary, because you pay for the quality you get, and nobody can argue that teachers are well compensated.)

My biggest beef spending-wise was the prescription drug bill estimated originally at $450 billion over 10 years but will end up as $600 billion over 10 years (someone please correct these numbers, I’m too lazy to look it up right now).

To be honest, I wondered about the Czar reference myself.

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 12:20AM EST (link)

Not that I think we should be cavalier about hanging people.