The question of the day is whether House Republicans are going to support some form of bipartisan bailout deal. The Paulson plan is pretty much the only plan that is on the table with any conceivable chance of passing a Democrat-controlled House and Senate, period. There will undoubtedly be battles over what to add on to the basic bones of the Paulson plan, or whether to tinker around the edges of its structure, but while people debate the academic merits of plans laid out by Newt Gingrich, the Republican Study Committee, and others, we need to bear in mind that none of those plans has any chance of passing this Congress.
Nobody is threatening a filibuster of the Paulson plan in the Senate, and indeed I have not seen any sign of major organized opposition among Senate Republicans. As we all know from elementary school Civics, if Nancy Pelosi can get her caucus to line up behind the bill, not a single House Republican’s vote is needed to pass it. The bailout remains massively unpopular and sets many bad policy precedents, and under ordinary conditions Republican intransigence would be the right and honorable thing to do: make the majority take responsibility for doing something unpopular, present a coherent alternative, capitalize at the polls, and replace as much of the unpopular plan as possible with the alternative after the elections.
These are not normal times. House Republicans need badly to come to grips with four very unpleasant realities, and to do so ASAP – and if ever there is a time for John McCain to lead them, this is it:
(1) Congress Is Run By Cowards
As I said, the votes of House Republicans are in practical terms utterly meaningless. We have seen over the years innumerable occasions of both Democratic and Republican majorities in the House blithely bulldozing the powerless minority. But given the unpopularity of the Paulson plan at large and with the Democrats’ base, to say nothing of the role of Congressional Democrats in creating this mess, Nancy Pelosi simply lacks the courage to have her caucus take ownership of the plan and vote for it. She is frozen by her fear. She cannot lead, and she will not lead. And nobody’s even asking Barack Obama to step in and provide the leadership that is absent.
In normal times, her cowardice could be highlighted and run against. But today, if Congress is to act, the minority must take the wheel and lead. It’s no answer to say the bailout is unpopular. Sometimes, the people need leadership, not followership; that’s why voters elected leaders in the first place. If McCain and the House Republicans lead, the deal will get done. If they don’t, it won’t. It’s that simple.
And the leadership squabble in the House GOP is precisely why we need McCain to lean on people. To understand John Boehner’s posture you have to remember that
(1) Boehner’s job as head of his caucus is in deep trouble anyway for reasons that predate this crisis.
(2) Pretty much everyone who is gunning for said job is against the bailout, and loudly so.
(3) They have a majority of the caucus behind them.
(4) If Boehner wants to keep his job he is not gonna get ahead of his caucus.
In other words, somebody needs to rally the GOP caucus, and it won’t be its leader. You know how sometimes in children’s books and cartoons and comic books, you have a character who has some really bizarre and sometimes irritating talent or superpower, and all of a sudden circumstances arise in which that character’s unique talents are suddenly needed to save the world? That’s where we are today. John McCain’s signature talent as a legislator is his ability to get horrendous bipartisan legislation passed. Today, the nation needs some horrendous bipartisan legislation. It’s time for McCain to get the House Republicans to follow him where their best political and policy judgment and their constituents are all telling them not to go.
(2) Psychology Trumps Policy
The point where I have reluctantly parted company with the Paulson plan’s critics throughout this debate is the difference between looking at this as an issue of policy and looking at it as an issue of psychology. The primary importance of a deal, almost any deal, is its immediate effect on investor confidence, to prevent things like massive bank failures, a run on the money market funds and a freeze of the commercial paper markets, which would collapse the stock market and lead to Very Bad Things. Even if this might be the healthiest solution in the longest run, we are at the point of a potentially massive short-term system failure with huge real-world consequences for millions of Americans. Preventing that Worst Case Scenario by propping up investor confidence won’t prevent a recession, but is nonetheless a critically important goal of national policy. Bear in mind that as the U.S. goes, so goes the world; you may recall that 1933 ushered in some developments with rather adverse consequences for our national security. In other words, the actual merits of a deal may be far less important than doing something quickly that reassures the markets. There’s an old military saying that a bad solution today is sometimes better than a good one a week from now; or, as Chesterton put it, if a thing is worth doing, it’s worth doing badly. Speed matters more than getting it right; and we can always push for additional pro-growth measures and scaling back of the worst add-ons later if the Democrats insist on larding the bill up with goodies. All the policy arguments in the world can’t stop a herd of frightened investors from stampeding off a cliff, and will do us no good at the bottom.
(3) The Market Will Arrive Too Late To Help
The RSC and other proposals are premised on the idea that pro-growth policies can bring nervous private capital out from hiding. It’s not gonna happen in time to prevent a meltdown, because people who invested in mortgage-backed securities before and ended up losing their shirts are just not going to ride in on a shiny white unicorn and start doing the same thing all over again, no matter how many tax incentives you give them, especially when so many of them are out of free cash right now. That may not be a rational answer but it’s a realistic one: fear is a powerful emotion, and it can run wild for a long time before it exhausts itself.
And that means government needs to step in. Not because the market can’t figure out the right prices for the MBS and related debt securities at issue, but because nobody who has enough money to invest to make the market liquid again is able to let go of the fear. Government does not invest wisely, and I have no illusions that it will do a great job of pricing the assets Paulson wants to buy. Yes, the Paulson plan is a blunt instrument that will undoubtedly proceed the way ham-handed government solutions always do. But the simple fact that government can mobilize a huge amount of cash quickly means it can fix the situation, for pretty much precisely the same reason why government can build armies and go to the moon. Government works best when what is needed is simply the unique economy of scale and the coercive power to move with great speed it brings to the table.
If you don’t believe me, I suggest you spend the weekend hitting up investors for $700 billion to start your own hedge fund to invest solely in underperforming mortgage-backed securities. You may find it harder than you think.
Let me give you a rudimentary explanation of why rapid government action will work – not perfectly, but well enough to unfreeze the joints of the financial system. As anyone who has ever played Monopoly understands, the economics of the price of everything on the board changes when everybody is out of cash and in hock up to their eyeballs. But parachute one new player in who is flush, or better yet has a limitless line of credit, and that player can make serious profits in a hurry and at least temporarily keep the others on the board from going under when they hit street repairs or the luxury tax.
Paulson plans to buy up MBS (which I’m using here as shorthand) at some price that is maybe around the current market price, give or take, but in highly illiquid markets. And even if this means that the sellers of MBS are realizing their losses ASAP by selling at a steep discount, cashing out those losses and taking the charge to the balance sheet up front, that still has value that no private entity has the scale to provide on such short notice.
Let’s say you are a bank. You hold $400 million face amount of MBS. Market price, to the extent there’s one at all, appears to be $25, so your portfolio is worth $100 million on paper.
But you don’t have $100 million cash; you have zero cash and what may or may not be $100 million worth of MBS. The paper price, however, is useless unless you can actually find a buyer at that price. If you try to sell, given how thin the market is (so few buyers that any significant increase in sales will imbalance supply and demand), the price could go down. If you and every other bank who is in the same hole tries to sell at once with no new buyers, it could go waaaaaaaay down. And really nobody out there has enough private free capital to buy it all.
Suddenly Uncle Hank comes in with his bottomless debit card and says, you know what? I bet if I buy you out at $25 I can make a profit. And to extend or perhaps mix the Monopoly analogy, Hank buys out some of the inventory of everybody else on the board too. He buys Boardwalk for $150. He buys the railroads for $40 a piece, all four of them. He buys the orange set with the three hotels for $600. And in the end – getting us back to the MBS world – he’ll make a profit on some of those when they pay at maturity at $100 or $70 or $45, lose his shirt on others, and maybe earn an average return of maybe $30, so he stands a good chance of making a profit simply because he was the only guy who could afford to take advantage of good buying opportunities at such an enormous scale. Uncle Hank hasn’t outsmarted the market, he was just the only guy who could afford the risk.
But even if the taxpayer doesn’t make a profit, the system will be able to function again without the uncertainty of having the balance sheet tied up in illiquid assets. Because your bank now has $100 million in cash, and can get out of the business of freaking out about your MBS portfolio and trying to figure out how much of the rest of your investments have to be called in to keep a cushion in case the bank next door holds a fire sale and the price drops to $10. Bingo – you can now go back to lending money.
The private sector can do this – but not with nearly this kind of speed. Which, when you consider why that’s not happening, brings us back to our original point about this being a fundamentally psychological crisis – a mental recession, if you will, but one that’s no less real for being mental. The government can bear larger risk and thus proceed without the fear that keeps private capital sidelined after a traumatic experience.
(4) Life Is Not Fair
If the markets go blooey over the lack of a deal, the fact that the bailout had been unpopular will not save the lack of a bailout from being even more unpopular. And Republicans will get the blame – because the media’s already blaming the House GOP, because our guy is in the White House and will get tagged as the new Hoover, because all the political contributions to Democrats in the world, and all the explanations of how bad public policy was at fault, can’t break the Republicans=rich people=free market=Wall Street link in the public mind. And with just five weeks until the elections, that will mean that economic disaster is followed by electoral disaster and quite possibly the end of the free market as we know it at the hands of the winners of that election.
Republicans can grouse about this but we know in our hearts it is true. Failure to act will be political suicide for the GOP. So in the end, it’s not only about putting the nation first, but saving the party’s political hide as well. It’s time for the minority to lead.
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
But in the meanwhile, the Dems have packed enough pork
QueenOfCups (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 11:28AM EST (link)to entrench themselves in power for God knows how long.
If this bill gets passed as is, it is a death knell for conservatives, and we will have signed it ourselves.
No thank you.
What pork is in the bill?
olderthangandalf Friday, September 26th at 11:34AM EST (link)I’m curious. I see the diary about funding ACORN, which I am certainly against if that is what that provision does. Anything else?
Read Blackhedd's diary from yesterday
QueenOfCups (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 11:40AM EST (link)Even though he seems pretty resigned to accepting it.
I would rather go down in flames than to sign off on such an atrocity – think about it: they are asking us to dig our own graves.
If we are damned if we do or damned if we don’t, then let’s at least make a stand, and go down with honor. And take some of them down with us.
Fabulous
BlakeW Friday, September 26th at 11:44AM EST (link)Isn’t it nice to know that Democrats avoided addressing this problem for several years and we’re now being asked to accept the only plan that will pass Congress, because Congressional Democrats understand only one solution: spending more money.
Well Said
LAWizard (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 11:44AM EST (link)I just hope more people around here are willing to come on board.
I have read all of Blackhedd's diaries
olderthangandalf Friday, September 26th at 11:56AM EST (link)and very illuminating they are.
All the same, other than the shout out to ACORN, which wasn’t in his diary as I recall, I’m not remembering anything about pork or earmarks. Can you enlighten me further?
You know what?
Dan McLaughlin (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 11:58AM EST (link)Step one: pass the plan
Step two: Nail the Democrats to the wall for their complicity in this mess
Reversing the order is not an option
“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill
How about address the problem through a different
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 12:02PM EST (link)plan, and then pin this mess on the democrats?
Count me out for New Deal Part 2
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
let them Dems do it alone
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 12:04PM EST (link)If it is going to remain 100% Socialist in its solution, it better pass with ONLY DEMOCRAT FINGERPRINTS on it…
Repulblicans better be promising to stop by ANY MEANS NECESSARY/AVAILABLE to get changes, get out the Democrat Pork, etc…
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I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
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Why
kchand Friday, September 26th at 12:07PM EST (link)should the Republicans support a bill the Dems created and will not pass on their own? Just to provide cover for THEM.
Why not leverage that position to improve it? Otherwise, let THEM pass it.
It just doesn’t seem to hard for the Republicans to say they don’t support the concept and that if the Democrats were so wild about it, they can pass it on their own.
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The ‘N’ word is November! Nov 6, 2012 will be the next cleansing.
Obama has suggested another mortgage bailout and
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 12:07PM EST (link)another economic stimulus payout, to name just two.
“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
Not possible
kchand Friday, September 26th at 12:11PM EST (link)If you do step 1, you cannot do step 2.
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The ‘N’ word is November! Nov 6, 2012 will be the next cleansing.
...nail the Democrats.
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 12:18PM EST (link)Yeah. Right. And just who’s gonna do that?
We’ve had POTUS mailing in his job for the last five years and he couldn’t manage to do anything but agree with the bastards when they were lying about him. And national security was at risk over that. With five months or so left in office, nobody will even bother to let him know the Dems might be able to be had on this.
McCain? Heh. He may be shooting at the NYT, but his friends are still Democratic Senators. And he’s taking shots at the House Republicans, not trying to ACORN defunded.
The Republican Party is a pathetic group of giggling schoolgirls. They don’t even live up the StupidParty™ moniker any more.
Um, thanks...
EvanManrow Friday, September 26th at 12:29PM EST (link)…But no thanks.
That fact that the Democrats haven’t even raised the concept of passing this along is proof positive that it’s a disaster of a plan.
If I were I House Republican, I could never, in good conscience, vote for a package like this. And “in good conscience” is exactly how I expect the House Republicans to vote.
You and whose majority?
Dan McLaughlin (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 12:30PM EST (link)Ain’t gonna happen.
“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill
His reference to Barney treating it like Hannukuh presents was enough for me
QueenOfCups (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 12:32PM EST (link)know this is a poison pill.
I have heard bandied about bail out of school loans, car loans, credit cards… sounds like Christmakuh!
We can play chess too?
DrOldSchool (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 12:45PM EST (link)I think Dan is right about all of this, and share his reluctance about it. But why not a little psychological warfare in the process?
Negotiate as much into the plan as possible from the House GOP proposal. Invoke cloture in the Senate. Then everyone vote no on the GOP side. It would probably only work for 1 vote (or in 1 branch) but it still sends a message.
Again, I’m still looking for anything positive for the rinse cycle.
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- Ronald Reagan, 1975 Speech to CPAC
Exactly
slckid Friday, September 26th at 12:54PM EST (link)Republicans in congress have been critiqued repeatedly for losing their conscience and principles over the course of the last decade while in power. Now, after a lot of pain and losses, they have the chance to restore faith that they will actually practice what they preach. I, for one, would be happy to see the House Republicans stay clear of this monstrosity and let the people running the show take responsibility for being the party in the majority.
The White House
DaBoogieMan Friday, September 26th at 12:57PM EST (link)Democrat/Paulson rip-off plan came down to a vote:
President Bush: Yea
Senator McCain: Nay
Senator Obama: Present
time for the GOP to sit on their hands....
Jack (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 12:58PM EST (link)We will doom our party for a generation if we vote on this thing. Make this what it is a Democrat bailout.
Just let it come to the floor and then let the Democrats vote yea or nay.
First beyond anything make them take ownership of it. Whoever owns this debacle will die by it.
Jack
“If at age 20 you are conservative you have no heart. It at age 30 you are liberal you have no brains.” Sir Winston Churchill
Have you seen what McCain was doing?
Dan McLaughlin (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 12:59PM EST (link)Go back to the Raines/Johnson ads and especially McCain’s 9/19 speech in Minnesota. He’s all over Obama on this.
“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill
So we should agree to anything they want?
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 1:08PM EST (link)Presumably, there is some line of stupidity that you would suggest is not worth passing?
I think plenty of democrats would rather not pass a $700B appropriation bill within 6 weeks of an election.
Your analysis = we should capitulate on every point.
They are after all in the majority.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Excellent!
ILLINOIS_CONSERV (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 1:13PM EST (link)That was the funniest thing I have read today…and the best part is it’s true! Well done!
The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing – Edmund Burke
Why not switch it up?
kchand Friday, September 26th at 1:14PM EST (link)If Repubs must sign this pig, here is what we want in exchange to pay for it.
Not only *permanently *lift the drilling, shale, ANWR and other oil development plants, but, include language that will expedite leases and development and mitigate all lawsuits.
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The ‘N’ word is November! Nov 6, 2012 will be the next cleansing.
Dan...although McCain is hitting on this it isn't resonating....
Attack Mode (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 1:29PM EST (link)Even here on RS we have people who can’t put 2 and 2 together to see how this was caused. In our haste to correct the fallout we have essentially whitewashed the root cause. I don’t think a few ads by McCain are going to have much impact. Especially when the President is going out of his way to not mention the complicity of Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, the Clinton Admin, CRA and subsequent regulatory rules, in the financial crisis. I am all for a sound free market resolution to this crisis but at the end of the day you have to remove the cancer or it will just come back and be harder to treat.
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I don't believe I'm hearing this.
asleep06 (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 1:31PM EST (link)This is a classic case of Fear Makes Us Do Stupid Things As Long As We Feel Better About Ourselves.
“The primary importance of a deal, almost any deal, is its immediate effect on investor confidence, to prevent things like massive bank failures, a run on the money market funds and a freeze of the commercial paper markets, which would collapse the stock market and lead to Very Bad Things.
Well shoot, if all that matters is investor confidence, why don’t we just lie to the investors about reality all the time to bolster their confidence? First, because it’s wrong. Second, because it only works for the short-term, and destroys the long-term.
Even if this might be the healthiest solution in the longest run, we are at the point of a potentially massive short-term system failure with huge real-world consequences for millions of Americans.
So, for the sake of yourself, you’re willing to pile debilitating debt on to your future grandchildren? Great. That’s fantastic.
Preventing that Worst Case Scenario by propping up investor confidence won’t prevent a recession, but is nonetheless a critically important goal of national policy.
It would indeed be an important goal, if your goal was to ditch responsibility for your actions and saddle future generations with debt they had nothing to do with, so that you can live less uncomfortably now.
This is selfish entitlement, this is self-indulgence, this is running away from responsibility instead of manning up and taking it.
This is everything that real conservatives, not fair-weather conservatives, are disgusted with.
Is your faith in Daddy Government so strong? So he can come rescue us from the Frightening Financial Consequences Monster bringing the End of the World?
Yes, it will be the end of one world. The world of selfish, narcissistic baby boomers and the spineless children they raised.
Small is beautiful.
President Bush Created It
olderthangandalf Friday, September 26th at 1:35PM EST (link)The President (a Republican, albeit not a conservative) came to Congress via Paulson and Bernanke. He said there is an urgent crisis to be solved and we all need to be bipartisan now. It started as a Republican bill, and even the low information voters know it’s a Presidential initiative.
The Dems can be stupid about big things, but they aren’t so very stupid that in 2008, after all water that has passed under the bridge in the past few years, they are going to pass this for Bush and let Republican Senators and Congressmen campaign against them because they accepted the bipartisan bait.
Setting aside the real world consequences of letting this blow up (which we are told would amount to the mother of all economic depressions, but I don’t pretend to be smart enough to sort that out), this is very near a win-win politically for the Democrats if they play it right.
On the one hand, the bill gets passed on a bipartisan basis. No one gets to shoot at anyone else. On the other hand, the Republicans in Congress emasculate a Republican President, further weakening the Republican brand.
The caveat is what happens in the real world if the bill is killed.
Either Bush and Paulson are right that they need this, or they are wrong. If they are right, the Republicans need to understand the word “bipartisan” and help pass it. If we kill it and they are right, we will own the upcoming great Depression. Owning the last great Depression very nearly killed off the Republican party, and it’s not clear that without Eisenhower we could have come back. Do we want to go there again? On the other hand, if Paulson and Bernanke are wrong, the bailout should be killed, and we can dine out for the next 30 years on the success of the free market in action.
It’s a moment of truth. It’s like Dirty Harry asking you if you feel lucky. If the bill is killed, the high and the low are pretty extreme. If no one can handle that level of risk, the safe thing is to stick it to the taxpayer but taking cover in having every part of the Washington establishment involved.
It isn't ????????????????????
PaRep (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 1:39PM EST (link)http://tinyurl.com/4v5r9t
Who are we really Bailing out? Fannie and Freddie or the Democrats?
semolinafilcher Friday, September 26th at 1:41PM EST (link)The House Republicans need to stand fast and judiciously oppose this dressed up disguise of a bailout. This is not the $700B bailout of Freddie and Fannie; this is a bailout of the egregious and extravagant fat cats and the excesses of the higher leadership of the Democratic Party. Boehner and Blunt must ensure that any earmark targeted to Obama’s ACORN group is scrutinized, investigated and properly brought to taxpayers’ minds. I am sick and tired and disgusted by the way this Democratic congress is putting guns to the heads of the American taxpayer. Stand Up! Stand Up and expose the criminal Dems for who they really are. Let the Democrats hang this around their necks…..
Salient points....
WalterSobchak Friday, September 26th at 1:43PM EST (link)One of the problems with the bailout is that the Treasury will likely pay a lot more than 25 cents on the dollar for this refuse. Weimar Ben would like to pay close to par.
Once the rate reset wave appears on Option-ARMs, more homeowners will be underwater. Increasing numbers will walk away from their “investment” and let the banks deal with it. MBS will be further devalued from current levels.
This entire bill needs to go. Let the market sort them out and get it over with.
Sorry, Paulson seriously overrated
mdetlh (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 1:47PM EST (link)as Treasurer. He’s not a supply sider. Democrats have the votes to pass this @%^&*, and they want to blame the Republicans for it.
Democrats take the lead on outspending the Republicans this year alone compared to all the spending GW and co did all the other prior years combined, right? No wonder the Dems don’t want anything to do with this. But they won’t allow any conservative proposals to lead either, so this cry for the minority to lead the way is like an undersized kid trying to fight the oversized playground bully with a hand on your head, flailing around. Of course its the little kids fault that the playground stinks when he is surrounded by the responsible ones.
PaRep....no it isn't...
Attack Mode (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 1:54PM EST (link)According to your link even.
9/7-11
McCain 48%
Undecided 5%
Obama 44%
9/21-25
McCain 48%
Undecided 6%
Obama 46%
So McCain has remained steady at 48% and Obama has gone up 2% and the undecideds went up 1%.
Now I agree that this could be beneficial to McCain but unfortunately everything is working against him. The entire Dem caucus is campaigning for Barry with this issue while being complicit in created the very same issue.
The President isn’t naming names and neither is the “most ethical congress ever”.
McCain is alone in getting out the dirty players.
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Dan, this is your signature...right?
mikeleader (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 1:57PM EST (link)*”No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill”
just wondering…always enjoy your take.
mikeleader
GOOD LORD do I have to ASpeel out
PaRep (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 2:03PM EST (link)that the “INDEPENDENTS” will go for McCain/Palin & then there is still the Bradley Effect. In other words the GUILTY WHITE PEOPLE who tell pollsters they are voting for Obama & will vote for McCain/Palin
Read this toohttp://tinyurl.com/3mpkhz
OOOPS That was supposed to be
PaRep (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 2:09PM EST (link)Spell instead of speel
And UNDECIDEDS instead of Independents
Is it the weekend YET ?? LOL
Exactly
Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 2:14PM EST (link)I called Pence,Lugar,Bayh,and the WH. If the Liberals want it as a 700 billion dollar bailout then they’ll have to pass it without the GOP approval.Would be great to see it come to all nay votes by the GOP.
That would get a few headlines.
Maggie in Indiana
So, you trust Nancy Pelosi
Dan McLaughlin (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 2:16PM EST (link)to decide what is or is not good economic policy?
“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill
Hey PaRep...take you condesension and shove it up your....
Attack Mode (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 2:18PM EST (link)Well…I think you know where I was going with that. The point is not whether McCain is ahead or will win with indies…the point is that the root cause of this crisis is being whitewashed by both the President and the Dems and the polls have not swung to anyones favor to the extent that it makes a difference. In other words it is not resonating.
Next time you provide a poll without any context or commentary and try not to be condescending when I show that it doesn’t show a big bounce for McCain.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
STOP THIS TO STOP EVEN WORSE STUFF
Freedoms Truth (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 2:20PM EST (link)This is a bad bill, but it may be “necessary” in the sense that it is better than doing nothing in the urgent “now”.
However, the mode of thinking behind this bailout is all wrong: “The market has failed (like the Great Depression), so it is time for Govt intervention (New Deal).”
Reality check:
Govt failed, not the market. What failed was lack of Fannie Mae oversight and Fed loose money tat created a sub-prime mortgage fueled housing bubble in many states. We cannot get past that bubble without SOME economic dislocation – the bubble burst.
If the thinking is that Govt intervention can ‘cure’ a recession, we will end up like Japan – a ‘lost decade’ of low growth due to overspending, lack of production incentive, and an overhang of a financial system that is not forced to get itself better.
Here’s how to cure a sick economy: GET PEOPLE TO STOP DOING UNPRODUCTIVE THINGS AND START DOING PRODUCTIVE THINGS. Bailing out sick enterprises stops that natural process.
Thus, the thinking behind the bailout will lead to more bailouts – all of which wont really help, but will hurt in the long-run.
Politically, WE HAVE TO MAKE IT POLITICALLY EXPENSIVE FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO EXPAND GOVT AT EVERY TURN. This includes fighting to put more taxpayer protection and/or cut the cost of this bailout. Only then can WE TURN THE POLITICAL FORCES IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION TOWARDS POLICIES THAT MAKES THE ECONOMY HEALTHY LONG-TERM.
Keynes was wrong. In the long-run, we have children, grandchildren and leave a legacy to the world.
Freedoms Truth,
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kowalski (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 2:21PM EST (link)Listen, sometimes when you’re an adult you have to make choices between alternatives knowing full well that no matter what, it’s going to hurt and it’s going to leave a bitter taste in your mouth. That’s life, and this is absolutely true:
Creating hundreds of thousands or millions of newly poor people just in time for Christmas is not going to help the Republican Party. Bite down hard on that bullet, because this procedure has to be done with no anesthesia.
Let’s all remember how painful it was and put in place some mechanisms to make sure that it doesn’t happen again.
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Not exactly pork
olderthangandalf Friday, September 26th at 2:22PM EST (link)I think the additional types of loan instruments are included because of the expectation that these, like mortgage debt, are loaded with potential defaults and will have to be handled the same way as the mortgages. Including them is no more and no less pork than the original bill; it’s just a recognition that the credit crisis goes beyond housing.
To me, pork would be if they started loading in Congressional district specific projects – midnight basketball for Cincinnati or a bridge in Seattle. I haven’t seen that kind of stuff getting attached to this bill.
olderthan... you sound like Bush's bill is the only bill that will work.
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 2:24PM EST (link)What about fiscally responsible alternatives that have been floated? Who says the Republicans have to get behind this particular pig?
“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
And this surprises you how??
PaRep (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 2:27PM EST (link).
Yes...
EvanManrow Friday, September 26th at 2:28PM EST (link)If you think that taking a principled stand, for once, means “trusting” the people who make mistakes in your absence.
Of course, that would be ridiculous. Congrats.
PaRep....it doesn't surprise me in the least...
Attack Mode (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 2:38PM EST (link)That is the point….Dan said that McCain is hitting on Raines and Johnson, I simply said that it isn’t resonating with the people. You then linked to a poll that proved my point. Then you decided to be a condescending asshat. Then I punched you in the stomach and took your lunch. Now you agree with me.
Confab over.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
PaRep....it doesn't surprise me in the least...
Attack Mode (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 2:44PM EST (link)That is the point….Dan said that McCain is hitting on Raines and Johnson, I simply said that it isn’t resonating with the people. You then linked to a poll that proved my point. Then you decided to be a condescending asshat. Then I punched you in the stomach and took your lunch. Now you agree with me.
Confab over.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
PaRep....it doesn't surprise me in the least...
Attack Mode (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 2:47PM EST (link)That is the point….Dan said that McCain is hitting on Raines and Johnson, I simply said that it isn’t resonating with the people. You then linked to a poll that proved my point. Then you decided to be a condescending asshat. Then I punched you in the stomach and took your lunch. Now you agree with me.
Confab over.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
The chances of you punching me in the stomach & taking my luch are slim & None &
PaRep (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 2:50PM EST (link)Slim was aborted
cute....but in the end you agreed with me...
Attack Mode (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 3:07PM EST (link)here is your lunch back….I kept the pudding pack though.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
PaRep (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 3:17PM EST (link)No harm done We are on the same team
PaRep....agreed....
Attack Mode (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 3:47PM EST (link)Seriously though ease up on the condescension…people are testy right now.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
Nah
Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 3:48PM EST (link)she just put the screws to us on fox. Let’s see a bail out,no parachutes,stimulus package for the people,ACORN fun money,for the people. No capital gains cut,no insurance ,just 700 billion in dept.
She gags me.
If a single Republican votes for this he’ll fry come election day. The House good=guys are AWOL,they sent aies instead. Good for them. God bless em.
Maggie in Indiana
I am sorry I have a KILLER Sinus Headache
PaRep (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 3:50PM EST (link)& my Arthritis is acting up which means my knees, ankles & Shoulders are killing me, On top of the fact I have Carpal Tunnel in my Left hand to boot
heh.....now I feel bad for punching you in the stomach....;^)...n/t
Attack Mode (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 3:55PM EST (link)n/t
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
hahahahaha, Just part of Life I deal with & move on
PaRep (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 4:23PM EST (link).
Dan...
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, September 26th at 5:59PM EST (link)McCain has been doing a much better job with his ads and with going after BO than I thought he would. He’s surprised me over and over again with them.
OTOH, when the going gets tough – like today – he seems to be reverting to his old CFR/CIR self, going after Republicans rather than Reid/Pelosi etal.
I don’t think he recognizes that Democrats in Congress don’t want the same America we want. They want a completely emasculated, compliant, UN dependent former world power just like the French, Germans and Brits. They want us to be part of the “world community”, not the preeminent nation on earth.