Comments on: Redstate to the next level: Organization and social network? http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/ Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:03:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Common_Cents http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-345 Common_Cents Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:03:30 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-345 I'd think we wouldn't have to re-invent the wheel here. Org for Obama site seems to have some good tools as there are quite a few collaboration sites already out there that could be adapted. As far as the stuff being "public" after signing up/logging in don't see how that would be a problem. How does OFO site regulate that? Some separate private messaging would be great too for some discussions and planning for those vetted over time. I'm not a web guru but see the need to get some organization for all the new conservative activists to get involved. If we make it easy for people to take some action, more of them will do it. I’d think we wouldn’t have to re-invent the wheel here. Org for Obama site seems to have some good tools as there are quite a few collaboration sites already out there that could be adapted. As far as the stuff being “public” after signing up/logging in don’t see how that would be a problem. How does OFO site regulate that?

Some separate private messaging would be great too for some discussions and planning for those vetted over time.

I’m not a web guru but see the need to get some organization for all the new conservative activists to get involved. If we make it easy for people to take some action, more of them will do it.

]]> By: JadedByPolitics http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-343 JadedByPolitics Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:40:34 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-343 I am game for any groups that want to participate in a offline get out the (insert word). I think somewhat Redstate does that with it's daily email but that is also on-line in a way. I do think mobilization is the key to my 80+ House seats so if WE are going to rally to something it had better be quick :) I am game for any groups that want to participate in a offline get out the (insert word). I think somewhat Redstate does that with it’s daily email but that is also on-line in a way. I do think mobilization is the key to my 80+ House seats so if WE are going to rally to something it had better be quick :)

]]> By: Finrod http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-342 Finrod Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:00:01 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-342 I've been involved in the TinyMUD world for two decades now; a TinyMUD (or its descendents) is a server running on one computer (in this case, on one of the machines in my basement) that everyone connects to. Unlike twitter, it's completely private, very old-school tech. If it got to the point that we were worried about someone snooping on the net line out of my house (unlikely), I could even set it up with ssl connections which are pretty much unbreakable (it'd be easier for someone to get the info by breaking into my house, it's the same kind of tech used on https connections). While anyone can connect to it, anyone connecting to it has to create a character, and when they do I can see what IP address they're coming from so I can be a very effective gatekeeper in keeping undesirables out. I've had this place (think of it as a text virtual world, the descendant of Adventure and Zork) up and running for a while now, I just have never gotten around to writing something for it to introduce newbies to it. If there's interest, I could get back to working on that. I’ve been involved in the TinyMUD world for two decades now; a TinyMUD (or its descendents) is a server running on one computer (in this case, on one of the machines in my basement) that everyone connects to. Unlike twitter, it’s completely private, very old-school tech. If it got to the point that we were worried about someone snooping on the net line out of my house (unlikely), I could even set it up with ssl connections which are pretty much unbreakable (it’d be easier for someone to get the info by breaking into my house, it’s the same kind of tech used on https connections). While anyone can connect to it, anyone connecting to it has to create a character, and when they do I can see what IP address they’re coming from so I can be a very effective gatekeeper in keeping undesirables out.

I’ve had this place (think of it as a text virtual world, the descendant of Adventure and Zork) up and running for a while now, I just have never gotten around to writing something for it to introduce newbies to it. If there’s interest, I could get back to working on that.

]]> By: LaborUnionReport http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-341 LaborUnionReport Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:12:46 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-341 If you are at all famiiar with Ning, the format lends itself to "community building." While it doesn't have to be Ning itself, there are some elements that should be consdered. On Ning, the users can set up their own pages, post their own stuff, and open it up to 'the group.' The blog and forums are useful. It would not be difficult to incorporate some of its better qualities into RS. Or, RS could simply build a Ning site (on Ning) and link over to it. If you are at all famiiar with Ning, the format lends itself to “community building.” While it doesn’t have to be Ning itself, there are some elements that should be consdered.

On Ning, the users can set up their own pages, post their own stuff, and open it up to ‘the group.’ The blog and forums are useful.

It would not be difficult to incorporate some of its better qualities into RS. Or, RS could simply build a Ning site (on Ning) and link over to it.

]]> By: RoguePolitics http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-340 RoguePolitics Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:19:27 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-340 By: Vassar Bushmills http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-339 Vassar Bushmills Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:45:00 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-339 That site is so obscure,...but has been good for us...allowing us to post position papers/analysis away from peering eyes. Most of it is still topical and St George is bringing some of it forward for reissue on RedState, where at least it will be read and disseminated. I figure we have around 30 months to get all this stuff right. If not, Plan B. That site is so obscure,…but has been good for us…allowing us to post position papers/analysis away from peering eyes. Most of it is still topical and St George is bringing some of it forward for reissue on RedState, where at least it will be read and disseminated.

I figure we have around 30 months to get all this stuff right. If not, Plan B.

]]> By: RoguePolitics http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-338 RoguePolitics Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:26:28 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-338 I am more concerned with the practicality of setting it up when the left has influenced the pop culture in a way that causes even a mention of it to be viewed with suspicion. Or has it always been that way? I am more concerned with the practicality of setting it up when the left has influenced the pop culture in a way that causes even a mention of it to be viewed with suspicion.

Or has it always been that way?

]]> By: RoguePolitics http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-337 RoguePolitics Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:17:58 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-337 I view it like you do. First politically. The left can dump protesters anywhere, anytime and make it look (somewhat) organic in its development. They also have an "expert" instantly available for any topic whether global warming, Cap and Trade or healthcare. They have a media available to give their "expert" credibility. We need to develop the ability or identify the resources so we can do the same. Who are our Climate Change experts? Has anybody put together a list of media outlets that are favorable? Second. If we don't win at the ballot box, and soon, we will need true resistance networks. As you said, hope we don't need plan B but if we do we had better have a plan B. I view it like you do.
First politically.
The left can dump protesters anywhere, anytime and make it look (somewhat) organic in its development.
They also have an “expert” instantly available for any topic whether global warming, Cap and Trade or healthcare.
They have a media available to give their “expert” credibility.
We need to develop the ability or identify the resources so we can do the same.
Who are our Climate Change experts? Has anybody put together a list of media outlets that are favorable?

Second. If we don’t win at the ballot box, and soon, we will need true resistance networks. As you said, hope we don’t need plan B but if we do we had better have a plan B.

]]> By: Black River Wolf http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-336 Black River Wolf Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:59:42 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-336 I know of a few places that are doing this. Also I have made my own Soc Net,but not rally used it or advertised it that much. I wanted it to be a place to have people get to know each other better than just the online persona. Also to help form ideas and give advice to people. http://stixclub.com. Check it out. I have not really worked on it in a while, have been too many other things I know of a few places that are doing this.

Also I have made my own Soc Net,but not rally used it or advertised it that much.

I wanted it to be a place to have people get to know each other better than just the online persona. Also to help form ideas and give advice to people.

http://stixclub.com. Check it out. I have not really worked on it in a while, have been too many other things

]]> By: kyle8 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-335 kyle8 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:26:18 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-335 what i meant what i meant

]]> By: kyle8 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-334 kyle8 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:25:42 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-334 The commies have used it from the very beginning, and they still are. Not that there are very many commies left in the world, but we still have the radical branch of the Democratic party. The commies have used it from the very beginning, and they still are. Not that there are very many commies left in the world, but we still have the radical branch of the Democratic party.

]]> By: Vassar Bushmills http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-333 Vassar Bushmills Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:22:18 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-333 http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/2009/04/28/what_is_to_be_undone-_first_raise_a_full_time_army_to_fight_the_left.thtml http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/2009/04/28/what_is_to_be_undone-_first_raise_a_full_time_army_to_fight_the_left.thtml

]]> By: Vassar Bushmills http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-332 Vassar Bushmills Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:14:28 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-332 Al Qaeda, and much of the Left on the internet, is a variation on the theme from the networks set up by Algerian rebels during the civil war in the 60s. Five guys get togther to form a cell, then each goes out and recruits say five more, those five only knowing the one who recruited them. Almost total deniability, running several levels deep. The French had to do some awful torture to finally break into the system. Sanche de Gramont (ted Wilson) wrote a good book on the subject, Battle of Algiers. (He was good historian, Yale man.) We're not counter-terrorism guys, but do use that model in assessing clandestine business networks in the old Soviet world, which was very low tech, and have found it makes (we've set two up in the US) a good working model for grassroots clandestine agitprop operations that more or less mirror what the Left's been doing for years already...nothing illegal, mind you, just a network that keeps them off their guard, and never knowing for sure just who you and your partners are. Tell you what, let me go to our old posts at TownHall, where I offered a shell outline, with raison d'eter, last year. I'ff revise it and bring it forward here. But if you're in a hurry just go to vbushmills.blogtownhall.com, or Least men Standing. It's in there under Agitprop, buyt we have several plans here, a little more sophisticated. Believe it or not the toughest form of communication is right here. We don;t use home computers, but a loaned station computer, and all our email addresses are dummies (Yahoo, free). Set that up your friend here friends can correspond all you want, without ayone listening in. I also recommend hard-line phones for sentive converstions. I hope this is what you're asking. I understand your concern, and agree, people should be more in the dark. I've been advocating deeper pockets set something like that up, with a national network, for the longest time. Serves two purposes: Fighting the Left on their turf, while we can, and 2) Fighting the Bad guys if we lose politically. Cheers Al Qaeda, and much of the Left on the internet, is a variation on the theme from the networks set up by Algerian rebels during the civil war in the 60s.

Five guys get togther to form a cell, then each goes out and recruits say five more, those five only knowing the one who recruited them. Almost total deniability, running several levels deep. The French had to do some awful torture to finally break into the system. Sanche de Gramont (ted Wilson) wrote a good book on the subject, Battle of Algiers. (He was good historian, Yale man.)

We’re not counter-terrorism guys, but do use that model in assessing clandestine business networks in the old Soviet world, which was very low tech, and have found it makes (we’ve set two up in the US) a good working model for grassroots clandestine agitprop operations that more or less mirror what the Left’s been doing for years already…nothing illegal, mind you, just a network that keeps them off their guard, and never knowing for sure just who you and your partners are.

Tell you what, let me go to our old posts at TownHall, where I offered a shell outline, with raison d’eter, last year. I’ff revise it and bring it forward here. But if you’re in a hurry just go to vbushmills.blogtownhall.com, or Least men Standing. It’s in there under Agitprop, buyt we have several plans here, a little more sophisticated.

Believe it or not the toughest form of communication is right here. We don;t use home computers, but a loaned station computer, and all our email addresses are dummies (Yahoo, free). Set that up your friend here friends can correspond all you want, without ayone listening in. I also recommend hard-line phones for sentive converstions.

I hope this is what you’re asking. I understand your concern, and agree, people should be more in the dark. I’ve been advocating deeper pockets set something like that up, with a national network, for the longest time. Serves two purposes: Fighting the Left on their turf, while we can, and 2) Fighting the Bad guys if we lose politically.
Cheers

]]> By: RoguePolitics http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-331 RoguePolitics Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:41:18 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-331 That allows for communication and organization without exposing our tactical objectives? That allows for communication and organization without exposing our tactical objectives?

]]> By: RoguePolitics http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-330 RoguePolitics Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:37:52 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-330 but it doesn't seem like a way to build a community or maintain any type of structure. The other problem with using Twitter to organize is that it would be like sending state secrets on post cards. but it doesn’t seem like a way to build a community or maintain any type of structure.

The other problem with using Twitter to organize is that it would be like sending state secrets on post cards.

]]> By: Vassar Bushmills http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-329 Vassar Bushmills Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:33:20 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-329 CommonCents has it right, our little group addresses these issues all the time, but many important things having to do with real action need to be kept close to the vest. Titty your cards. I can't stress that enough. CommonCents has it right, our little group addresses these issues all the time, but many important things having to do with real action need to be kept close to the vest. Titty your cards. I can’t stress that enough.

]]> By: Richard Mullins http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-328 Richard Mullins Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:51:21 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-328 There is a reason the left doesn't like it now, conservatives like us have made good use of it. I've shorten my signature so it easier to follow and tweet. So as long it keeps going, Twitter will be hated by them. There is a reason the left doesn’t like it now, conservatives like us have made good use of it. I’ve shorten my signature so it easier to follow and tweet. So as long it keeps going, Twitter will be hated by them.

]]> By: yoyo http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-327 yoyo Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:39:48 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-327 Whatever format (I personally like the internal private message board idea) needs to be compatible with ... like TweetDeck or ... something. Local Organization could be broken down into a "by state" and/or "by CD" and/or "County/Town/City" and really get the local GOP into it all. See CruiseCritic.com for an example. (My wife loves it, and it has a structure that could work well with what you have proposed.) I dont know, but I am with you, though. We are going to need all the help we can muster come 2012, especially if 2010 is as bad as it seems for the Dems. Whatever format (I personally like the internal private message board idea) needs to be compatible with … like TweetDeck or … something.

Local Organization could be broken down into a “by state” and/or “by CD” and/or “County/Town/City” and really get the local GOP into it all.

See CruiseCritic.com for an example. (My wife loves it, and it has a structure that could work well with what you have proposed.)

I dont know, but I am with you, though. We are going to need all the help we can muster come 2012, especially if 2010 is as bad as it seems for the Dems.

]]> By: RoguePolitics http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2010/02/10/redstate-to-the-next-level-organization-and-social-network/#comment-326 RoguePolitics Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:35:08 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/?p=224#comment-326 It will bring a lot of friends. But more seriously I agree it would be nice to have a little bit of back channel. I would guess RedState has avoided this deliberately to prevent sniping wars from getting started and perhaps other reasons. Like private messages being made public. The are a number of sites out there focused on networking C4L is one. It is a bit of a dirty word around here. But the model works well whether you like it or not. It will bring a lot of friends.

But more seriously I agree it would be nice to have a little bit of back channel.

I would guess RedState has avoided this deliberately to prevent sniping wars from getting started and perhaps other reasons. Like private messages being made public.

The are a number of sites out there focused on networking C4L is one. It is a bit of a dirty word around here. But the model works well whether you like it or not.

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