I’m not one to play the race card so I won’t even entertain the notion that this is nothing but a bunch of white guys trying to “get the brother man”. Some say that Michael Steele is incompetent, he’s too off script, and he doesn’t stick to the RNC talking points. Well, as if RNC talking points were a good thing, it doesn’t matter if Michael Steele won’t recite them like a high school production of Hamlet. This latest “gaffe” if you want to call it that, is not a big deal. And it’s being blown out of proportion because the Republican Party of Washington is too afraid, and too worried about their polling data to stand for something and tell the truth.
This didn’t start with Michael Steele, but it’s just another example of the impotent leaderless establishment trying to muscle their way to the front of the line. He said quote, “This was a war of Obama’s choosing.”This is not something the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in.” He also said if Obama was a student of history he should know that you don’t engage in a land war in Afghanistan because other nations have tried and failed. Now, I don’t know about you, but I find nothing false, inaccurate, or demeaning about that those statements.
First of all, he’s right, as far back as Alexander the Great nations have tried to conquer Afghanistan and they have failed. In recent memory the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan and they failed. In fact, their reputation as a Military power was never the same after that conflict. Who’s to say our Military won’t be viewed in the same light? Are we so different? Are we so invulnerable to failure if our own commander in chief wants to pull out in a year? How can this man have his heart all in when he wants to leave next summer? Shame on the war mongers like Bill Kristol who criticized Michael Steele. Kristol said Steele’s comments don’t represent those of someone who should be chairman of the Republican Party.
That’s absurd; I’m an anti-war libertarian who favors leaving the Middle East altogether, does that makes me unqualified to run for RNC chairman? I’m against the United States being involved in international bodies like the UN and NATO, does that mean I could never win as a member of the GOP if I ran for office? You have these guys like Kristol and these other Republican elites who spew these talking points, and tow the line, and these guys sunk our ship in 2006, and 2008. The more war guys who want us to bomb Iran or at the very least support an Israeli led attack against Iran.
For every international crisis their solution is more wars and more bases on foreign land. You know these guys call themselves conservative, but are it conservative to launch wars across the globe? Is Military adventurism conservative? Then I’m not a conservative because I don’t believe in spreading our power across the world like its mulch on our lawns. You think the founders would support this stuff? The most conservative president we’ve ever had Calvin Coolidge, he was against foreign involvement and foreign alliances. He and Thomas Jefferson were the reason why I became a conservative libertarian. If they were around today I highly doubt they would support this nonsense.
And no, I’m not saying we shouldn’t have gone after the barbarians responsible for 9-11, but to have this war drag on for ten years now, propping up an obviously corrupt slimy eel in Hamid Karzai, and spending millions hand over fist and risking lives, at some point we have to ask ourselves when enough is enough. And to my fellow Republicans: How many years are too many? You want to be there for another 10? Maybe 20 years, how bout 50 years? Hell we’ll see the amount of time spent by Alex the Great and the Soviets and we’ll raise them four or five decades.
This war has gone on for too long and its time to leave. And if you disagree with Michael Steele, then you disagree with Pat Buchanan, George Will, and Ron Paul. Despite what Mr. Kristol has to say in his article, there are plenty of Republicans who now oppose this war and they have every right to be a member of the party.
Victoria Coates
Daniel Horowitz
How ever long it takes will be just long enough.
Jim Tomasik (Diary) Friday, July 2nd at 9:30PM EST (link)Happy 4th of July.
ClarkKent- I think your burqua just constricted your airways
Scope (Diary) Friday, July 2nd at 9:35PM EST (link)n/t
He's gone.
gekster (Diary) Friday, July 2nd at 9:40PM EST (link)They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
I kinda see both sides here.
jeffreywturner (Diary) Friday, July 2nd at 9:41PM EST (link)As costly as it appears to be, I just don’t think we should surrender in Afghanistan. Perhaps the best way to win is to redefine victory.
Who says we have to have a functioning democracy there? Don’t get me wrong, I think that would be fantastic, but our main priority is that terrorists aren’t being harbored or trained there. Perhaps we can do this with ordinance dropped from thousands of feet above, rather than boots on the ground.
“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”
5 nt
aesthete (Diary) Friday, July 2nd at 11:47PM EST (link)The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Does the phrase "To the shores of Tripoli" ring a bell?
vettepilot (Diary) Friday, July 2nd at 9:51PM EST (link)You may wish to reconsider holding up Jefferson as an inspiration for the reasons you do…
And as for this?
“That’s absurd; I’m an anti-war libertarian who favors leaving the Middle East altogether, does that makes me unqualified to run for RNC chairman?”
Yes, yes it does….
vettepilot excellent, excellent riposte
cactusjack Friday, July 2nd at 10:06PM EST (link)based in American history I am sure he is ignorant of. IIRC, Jefferson also took on the French and won at about that time, whipping them and the jihadi pirates, a real two-fer! The Euro Socialist press was always after GWB for Iraq, but no body of sane mind ever questioned the right of the USA after 9-11 to decamp in Afghanistan, and off Taliban at will for a duration to be determined by us, with 2900 dead Americans in mind.
This argument is one that can be made, it is a legitimate argument
kyle8 (Diary) Friday, July 2nd at 9:56PM EST (link)But Steele was not the right person to bring it up, he is supposed to be getting Republicans elected, not making foreign policy.
And the WAY he did it was asinine and inappropriate.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Agreed
bk (Diary) Friday, July 2nd at 10:04PM EST (link)He could have said that Obama is a jerk because he has used Afghanistan as a political prop, flip-flopping strategies every couple months and not making it clear what the strategy really is.
He could have said that Obama is a liar because he criticized Petraeus and Bush to score political points, but has reverted back to where Bush was after wasting the past 18 months without a strategy.
He could have said that Obama is a failure as commander in chief, breaking promises to close Gitmo in 12 months, get us out of Iraq in 16 months, and keep Iran away from nuclear weapons.
He could have said a lot of things, but what he said instead was untrue and stupid.
Your history's wrong
aesthete (Diary) Friday, July 2nd at 11:59PM EST (link)Alexander the Great actually did conquer Afghanistan, and his heirs ruled the region for ~200 years under the Seleucid Empire and the Greco-Bactrian Empire, respectively. Nomads, Turks, Persians, and several others have conquered the region and ruled it without too much struggle or incident. The British Empire couldn’t be bothered to rule Afghanistan, but was able to toy around with client rulers and puppet dynasts to achieve their aims.
Mike Steele is not wrong for holding the opinion that we shouldn’t be in Afghanistan: there are great arguments for not being in the region, many of which I’m sympathetic to. The problems were 1) that Steele did so in partisan fashion, by essentially casting the blame on Obama for the bipartisan support for the war, and that 2) he cited no other reasons for opposition to the war, and advocated it as something that all of our campaigns should embrace and advance as a talking point.
We should be redefining (or rather, defining) victory and a realistic endgame in Afghanistan, or getting out, but Mike Steele makes a terrible argument in favor of the latter.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
You sound like a Ronulan here ClarkKent...
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, July 3rd at 10:20AM EST (link)What Steele said was historically inaccurate if not an out and out LIE….Obama didn’t start the war in Afghanistan…Al Queda did….and their Taliban allies when they chose to harbor the perpetrators of 911.
Maybe Steele was trying to say something else and simply put his foot in his mouth….but when will he run out of feet to stick is his gaping maw?
This fits a pattern and STEELE MUST GO!!!
I note the MSM has picked this story up now.
cactusjack Saturday, July 3rd at 10:30AM EST (link)Even they are expecting he might have to resign, now. This is very bad news for us, PR wise. It means Steele’s comment gave them a gift-wrapped, win-win situation. Never a good thing nor professional thing, for your RNC Chairman to be doing.
For any politician to attempt to divide the nation
romeg Saturday, July 3rd at 11:37AM EST (link)against itself in the course of a war is unconscionable and unforgivable. To assert, for political gain, that “[The war in Afghanistan] is …of Obama’s choosing…” is not only reckless, it is provably WRONG! Obama wasn’t even in the Senate when this war was initiated. He is now prosecuting it because THAT IS HIS DUTY as Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. If you don’t like that fact then you should set about changing the Constitution.
I’m fully aware of the notion popular amongst some Libertarians that we should become an island, disband the U.S. Military, close all bases on foreign soil and pretend that we don’t have enemies. This is the dream world, Unicorn ranch mentality which permeated the Clinton Administration for 8 years and led to the War on US by the Islamists being treated as a series of Criminal incidents. It was our failure or refusal to initiate an armed response to the attacks that emboldened the terrorists and led, ultimately, to the attacks of 09/11/2001.
Since it was the Taliban that gave aid, shelter and support to Al Qeada then the Taliban must be eradicated wherever they are found.
This it not a war to “Conquer” Afghanistan. It is a war to eradicate radical islamists regardless of the banner under which they operate.
There is an abundance of REAL reasons to oppose Obama and his radical leftist agenda. There is no need to try to gen one up. Michael Steel has entered the realm of the radical anti-war left with this attempt to divide the nation over the war in Afghanistan. He should recognize the foolishness of his gambit and simply resign.
“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C. S. Lewis
No, see, the new meme is *two* wars in Afghanistan
mschmitt (Diary) Saturday, July 3rd at 11:47AM EST (link)As stupid as it sounds, Steele and his wizards of smart apparently think that’s going to be a winning message. Republicans won the “real” war, and the one we’re fighting now is totally different.
Sorry, the captain is out to lunch. We don’t see wars as an opportunity to play politics. Leave that to the Democrats.
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