Desperate Measures


Can you take credit for a war you opposed? Not only that, can you take credit for a war in which you based your entire presidential campaign on your opposition to that war? What if you were running on a promise to end that war? Well Barack Obama did all of the above and now that the Iraq war is finally panning out the way the Bush administration thought it would, and the country seems to be going in the right direction after seven years of setbacks and new strategies, the Obama administration and the media refuses to give the man who risked his legacy, his presidency, and his leadership on the decision to invade the country in 2002 credit. George Bush was right about Iraq, Obama was wrong, but no one will ever know of this because the media is working hard to make this about the withdrawal, not the war in its entirety.

You see, if they can create a narrative based on the withdrawal then they can give Obama all the credit because he campaigned on a promise to end the war. History tells of a different tale but unfortunately history doesn’t factor into lies and distortions, especially when the left is against something. You heard Joe Biden a few Sundays ago talk about how Iraq will be one of the biggest successes of this administration. When I heard that I got angry because I felt they were so desperate for good news they were willing to find it anywhere, even if that good news had nothing to do with them. The fact is that the status of forces agreement was signed during Bush’s last year in office, the surge strategy was developed during Bush’s presidency, Sunni awakening happened during Bush’s presidency, and the war itself started during Bush’s presidency. Barack Obama wasn’t even in the US Senate when the war in Iraq happened in 2002 and yet everyone is ready to hang a “Victory” banner above his head on some aircraft carrier.

Aside from this notion that Obama is responsible for the success in Iraq being completely absurd and utterly delusional, it’s wrong and quite frankly there should be more outrage over this.I’m no fan of George W. Bush. In fact, I thought he was one of the worst economic presidents in American history and I still feel that way. But to rob him of the vindicating success of the past few months in Iraq is to take credit for sun coming up in the morning just because you opened your blinds. If Sarah Palin opposed the war in Afghanistan and ran for president on a promise to end that war had taken credit for any positive changes taking place in Afghanistan knowing Barack Obama was committed to that war during his presidency, then she too would be in the wrong and the media would be outraged, and rightfully so. But with Obama for someone reason he has this ability, almost like a magician to take responsibility for nothing, and yet take credit for everything. First it was saving the banks, which he attributed to his stimulus package when in reality the equally as unethical bank bailout of the Bush administration calm the waters for the financial sector. Now its the war in Iraq.

George Bush isn’t speaking out like former vice president Dick Cheney and that’s understandable because Bush seems like a guy that likes to just go with the flow, and at times that got him into trouble during his presidency. But I wouldn’t be so polite as to allow my successor to take credit for something I did. Would Alexander Graham Bell allow for his neighbor to take credit for the invention of the telephone? This administration is so hungry for a win its getting to the point where they might start taking credit for the Cold War, and why stop there? They should take credit for the moon landing, and the revolutionary war, and the North’s victory in the Civil War, and the signing of the Emancipation Proclamation, I mean after all Obama likes to fancy himself after Lincoln. But why stop there I mean why not go for the jugular? Take credit for the Civil Rights Legislation of the 1960s and the New Deal of the 1930s Barack. You’re the smartest, toughest, most qualified president in American history, no one can top you, every president ought to be deemed a failure now that you’re in office. They all got it wrong but you’re always right, despite the fact that you always seem to get things wrong but who cares, you’re Barack Obama and according to the so called experts in the media you have the highest IQ of any president or man for that matter walking the face of god’s green earth.

If you sense a hint of resentment you’re correct. I resent the fact that this man and his administration take credit for the hard work and controversial decisions they aren’t willing to make. This is beyond the pale and unfortunately the American people at large might actually believe that Obama is responsible for the success in Iraq, and that’s the part of this entire administration that concerns me. The people out there are so gullible and so complacent at times they will accept anything as truth, even if its further from the word. We need to start nailing these guys on their bull or else they’ll win the argument.


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dave_in_atl (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 1:44PM EST (link)

7 years, 4382 coalition deaths, and 900 billion dollars (and counting). Amazing what qualifies as a victory these days.

This may be the dumbest comment in the history of RedState

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 1:55PM EST (link)

More than 4,000 died in World War II. I guess the Nazis won.

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Try these stats, lib_in_atl

Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 1:55PM EST (link)

1 day, 4414 dead. That was D-Day.

Amazing what qualifies as commentary these days, and even more amazing that the moderators have let you slither back and forth from under your rock all this time.

How does it feel to add absolutely nothing more than liberal talking points to any discussion? Honestly?

focus on the deaths...

dave_in_atl (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 1:58PM EST (link)

I prefer to focus on the dollars…. but I would hope these numbers don’t compare to WWII… seeing as its not a WORLD WAR.

And I never said the deaths were in vain.

Yeah, I'd tuck tail too if I posted a stinker like that

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 1:58PM EST (link)

Just retract the whole thing and blame it on no coffee, or something.

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while I wont retract what I said...

dave_in_atl (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 2:04PM EST (link)

I will admit that it could have been worded better. Unfortunately I don’t think I can blame that on the lack of caffeine.

 
 

"And I never said the deaths were in vain."

Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 2:02PM EST (link)

Then what are you saying?

Also, just so I know where you coming from, we you born in America? If not, are you a citizen?

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dave_in_atl (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 2:05PM EST (link)

What I was attempting to say is that no matter the end result, the path was misguided at best.

OK. Got it.

Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 2:08PM EST (link)

We should have maybe asked for U.N. sanctions, backed with the threat of force. Yeah, that is what we should have done. That’s the ticket.

Anyway, American born? Yes? No?

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dave_in_atl (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 2:10PM EST (link)

American Born, Georgia Born. Sorry to disappoint you.

Dunno what we should have done instead, but something tells me we could have gotten a better result for less investment…. hell do we know that Saddam would not have sold is country for a trillion dollars? (joking, well kinda)

Tuesday afternoon QB

Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 2:15PM EST (link)

And a cocktail party comment.

Real men had to make real decisions back then. Gutless punks voted for it, and then campaigned against it. Even more gutless punks campaigned against it, then took credit for it.

Any comments on the main point of the diary, which I restated above, or do you find it easier and less challenging to chase theoretical rabbits down a hole?

fair enough...

dave_in_atl (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 2:21PM EST (link)

I didn’t have to make the hard choices, and yes the idiots who voted for it then campaigned against it are the worst of the worst.

I have been consistent in my opposition to this venture in the middle east since day one, but I will never fault someone for making the choice they made, as long as they are willing to stand by it.

I can support the decision, and still not approve of it though.

The debate over the Iraq war is over

hickorystick (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 2:38PM EST (link)

It’s now time to celebrate the troops efforts. by efforts I mean Victory. Victory with a VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV. We won, they lost. By We, I mean George Bush and the Republicans who love freedom. By they, I mean all tyrants: Saddam Hussein, the Nazi/Bath Party, Terrorists around the middle east, that worthless POS that is supposed to be representing my district, Jim McDermott, Jack Murtha, Keith Olbermann, Cindy Sheehan, Left Wing Democrats, and the rest of the traitorous losers. Which side are you on? Are you going to piss on the troops victory, or man up and say job well done?

 

Let me take this opportunity to retract a comment

Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 7:06PM EST (link)

I should not have used “rock” and “slither” when I spoke of you. I can destroy arguments without resorting to that. This issue really irritates the hell out of me, and thus the slander, which was not called for in this forum.

The question of citizenship related to the way you spell certain words – like “favour”. I thought you might be a British ex-pat, which would cast your comments in a different light. I needed to get that straight, and thanks for doing so.

I still believe you are a lib in Redstate clothing, though. Just so you know.

apparently...

dave_in_atl (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 10:56AM EST (link)

Apparently I spell favor “favour” because firefox spell-checker has been set on “English / Australia”. I had not even noticed.

Of course thats probably because I am a horrible speller.

 
 
 
 
 

Yah, Dave would know about misguided

hickorystick (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 2:16PM EST (link)

his Coyote was supposed to bring him to Cuba for some free health care

 
 
 
 

The war against Jihad is a world war

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 2:11PM EST (link)

and a fair measure of the dollars would be % of GDP.

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Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

Indeed

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 2:27PM EST (link)

On that measure, there’s no comparison: FDR dedicated just about all of America’s manufacturing base and a significant portion of the rest of its economy to combating the fascist and Imperial threats. The term “total war” expresses the concept quite well, and whatever one’s opinion on the Iraq War, its cost can’t be reasonably compared to either of the world wars.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

The War vs. Jihad is not limited to Iraq or Afhanistan

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 2:39PM EST (link)

Moreover, the double standard in terms of the WOT is interesting . . .

For monetary purposes, the war on terrorism is worse than WWII because it cost more in terms of dollars, but in terms of qualifying as a world war, it costs less because in terms of GDP it is less.

Kind of like if it gets warmer, it must be globale warming, if it gets colder, it must be global warming, if more hurricains occur, it must be global warming, etc.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 
 
 

Not a world war?

Return to Revolution (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 7:59PM EST (link)

I suppose its not, if only because much of the western world refuses to deal with a problem that affects them as much or more than us. Ask the radical Islamofascists who they are at war with. It will also be interesting to see how Europe funds its vast entitlement machine (which it already can’t afford) when we decide to stop dealing with radical Islam as well.

Out of hand Constitutional fetishist

 
 
 
 

*Great* write-up

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 2:22PM EST (link)

I feel the same way. The dichotomy between Obama’s appropriation of credit for the Iraq War (for which he enacted no major policy changes) and his insistence on pinning the economy on Bush, despite the fact that his major policy change, Stimulus II, has objectively failed. I wasn’t a fan of Bush’s economic decisions, either, but give credit where credit is due: the Surge has accomplished all that it set out to accomplish, and more. It’s a shame that the Obama administration is so desperate for a win, that it is willing to latch onto an accomplishment of the eeeevil Bush administration. It should be fun to watch Cheney demolish him >:-}

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

Good work Clark Kent

hickorystick (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 6:47PM EST (link)

Bush really hasn’t been acknowledged for the Solid footing he has put us on in the war on terror, including the Iraq War. Everything legal and war structure he has set up has been retained by the young-un, whether he says he likes it or not. The Military has been more than heroic. They set 25 million people free in two countries, with babies, probably more like 30 miliion. And we complain about minor infractions of our rights.