CNN reports five more House Democrats said Tuesday that they will vote against the Democrats’ Senate Obamacare bill. According to CNN, the Democrats are 11 votes shy of passing Obamacare.
Friday, we reported that the Democrats were within four votes of passing Obamacare. Monday we were told that the Democrats picked up four votes. Was that just propaganda to make it appear that passage of the unpopular Obamacare bill was, like a Hillary Presidency, inevitable?
CNN’s analysis shows that opposition in the House to the Senate Obamacare bill has reached 205 members:
- A total of 27 House Democrats, including nine who supported the House plan in November, have indicated that they would join a unified Republican caucus in opposing the Senate plan, which passed in that chamber December 24 with the minimum required 60 votes.
- Of the 39 Democrats who voted against the House plan in November, 17 have indicated that they will vote against the Senate plan as written, 11 remain uncommitted, and nine did not return repeated calls for comment.
The CNN numbers explain why the House Democrats leaders scheme to avoid a direct vote on the Senate bill with procedural shenanigans like the unconstitutional Slaughter gambit.
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I will not comply!
VizBiz (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 8:41AM EST (link)Interesting article from John Hood of the The John Locke Foundation
http://www.carolinajournal.com/articles/display_story.html?id=6203
Runs with scissors, walks with Wacom.
Trying to keep hope alive
jaykali (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 8:45AM EST (link)But the sinking feeling of inevitability is overcoming me. I will feel much better if we make it to Easter break bc that will unleash the angry town halls but we might not make it til then.
The most discouraging fact is that despite all this hand wringing you have a big democrat majority in the house and they just have to twist a few arms and promise them positions in this new bureaucracy and this thing is over.
This is all ab establishing a health care entitlement. Once big subsidies are unleashed on the middle class it’s over.
Are the Democrats really delusional enough
marshmom (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 8:50AM EST (link)to believe that they can vote for this “Slaughter solution” and pretend it’s not a vote for Obamacare??
If they’ve got opposition to Obamacare by these certain Democrats, why wouldn’t those same Democrats vote against this Slaughter rule??
Am I missing something?
I think
partyof1 Wednesday, March 17th at 9:01AM EST (link)the original reasoning was that the Slaughter rule would give them cover for voting yes on Obamacare while not technically voting for it.
But now it will be harder to do because of all the attention the “Slaughter Solution” has received from the Right.
But to make sure they know that we know, I suggest mentioning that a vote for Slaughter is the same as a vote for Obamacare if you call them.
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Yes, they are completely delusional.
conservativemusician Wednesday, March 17th at 10:06AM EST (link)You can’t reason with insanity and that’s exactly what this is – insanity.
A point that I've made repeatedly...
Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 10:20AM EST (link)in response to several diarists here who insist on evaluating the votes by what reasonable, rational people would do. The Democrats are not reasonable, rational people.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
I think that the term you're looking for...
tdpwells Wednesday, March 17th at 11:07AM EST (link)…is brain damaged.
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I do not believe that the power and duty of the General
Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual
suffering which is in no manner properly related to the
public service or benefit…to the end that the lesson should
be constantly enforced that though the people support the
Government, the Government should not support the people.
Grover Cleveland (16 February 1887)
A Healthcare Bill with Bipartisan Support
loganyung (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 9:07AM EST (link)I’d like someone to ask Democrats about the vote on HR4626. Why is it that a reasonable reform can attract 406 votes in the House? I though that opponents of Obamacare were just obstructionists. This should be used in debates against Democrats to show how extreme the Obamacare is.
Washington, DC – Congresswoman Donna F. Edwards (D-MD) today voted to repeal the 65 year-old anti-trust exemption afforded to healthcare insurance companies, which passed the House by a vote of 406 to19. In the last 14 years, 400 health insurers merged, and now 94% of all insurance markets are “highly concentrated,” meaning consumers have little or no choice among insurance providers.
My only hope is that the CBO reports put a kink in their process
earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 9:15AM EST (link)Any word on that?
I don't see anything yet
partyof1 Wednesday, March 17th at 9:49AM EST (link)at http://www.cbo.gov/
Once the scoring is done though, I estimate we’ll have about 28 seconds to look at it before the Slaughter Solution is carried out.
This Business Week story says CBO is still working on it.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-17/health-care-bill-faces-delay-as-democrats-struggle-with-cbo.html
CBO Score
mavericktime Wednesday, March 17th at 9:57AM EST (link)http://spectator.org/blog/2010/03/16/dems-still-dont-have-the-cbo-s
Don't get your hopes up on the CBO report.
conservativemusician Wednesday, March 17th at 10:04AM EST (link)It is full steam ahead and they will stop at nothing to get this done. It really doesn’t matter what the CBO report will show either way because Obama will not listen to reason. Most importantly, he is not listening to us, the people. As Rush said yesterday, this is not really about health care anymore. It is about Obama saving face and saving his presidency and he doesn’t care if saving himself means the ruination of this great country.
CBO "Score"
edintexas Wednesday, March 17th at 10:11AM EST (link)What difference would it make. The CBO doesn’t skew the data (not much anyway), but they compile their projection of costs based solely on the “facts” given to them. So if a bill claims that half the $1 Trillion USD cost will come from a Medicare payment reduction of $500 Billion USD, the CBO will use that data in their cost analysis, even though the analysts may all firmly believe that the Congress will NEVER cut even $10.00 USD from the Medicare program. And if the bill is written so the taxes and other alleged income is to start on day one, but the benefit payments would not start until the end of the 4th year of tax collection, the CBO does not project beyond the 10 year period to show the next 10 years would be losing money.
In sum – the CBO projection is ruled by the old computer GIGO* rule.
* Just in case there is someone in the world not familiar – Garbage In, Garbage Out.
The problem...
lunarmanathome (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 10:27AM EST (link)with CBO scoring anymore is that the majority party sends only what can be scored – of oucrse the CBO will score it lower than actual costs. Smoke and mirrors – they are not concerned with fiscal responsibility, especially in light of the Keynesian approach to dealing with recessions.
CBO scoring, as credible as the CBO is, has no value.
I'm starting to think that Dan Perrin was right...
erod (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 9:42AM EST (link)I think the “Slaughter Solution” may be an empty threat. It appears more likely to me with each passing day that they would much rather use an up or down vote than use the parliamentary “Slaughter Option.” The fallout from this vote would be huge and really tee off the voters.
Do not get me wrong it looks like this could still pass, but today I’m feeling more confident that I won’t be wringing my hands about the Congress voting tomorrow (because they won’t be) and I’m feeling more confident about the bill failing. We just have to get to Easter.
I was hoping the CBO report would
earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 10:23AM EST (link)down the process. Like we keep saying get to Easter
Yes then we'll party...
erod (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 10:36AM EST (link)like it’s 1773!
Hey erod bad news
earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 12:00PM EST (link)She has her score and is ready to vote on Saturday.
Seattle Times editorial today
mavericktime Wednesday, March 17th at 10:04AM EST (link)http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2011354314_edit16healthinsurance.html
Excerpt:
“THIRTY million dollars is being spent on ads to persuade members of Congress to vote for or against the health insurance bill. This is all aimed at a few uncommitteds, such as Rep. Brian Baird, D-Vancouver. Call it a million dollars a vote.
To this cashophony, we add our 75 cents. For years, this newspaper has favored health care reform. We still favor it, done at the right time and in the right way. We do not favor this bill and urge Baird and his colleagues to vote against it.
Right now the government’s goal should be the revival of business investment and the creation of private-sector jobs. This cannot be put off. It has to be pursued now, and it has to be President Obama’s major concern.
A good health insurance bill might help the economic recovery. But it would do this only if it controlled health care costs, so that when an American worker received a raise, he or she might actually see some of it. But this bill offers no real control of costs. It is all about coverage.”
Actually, it's from Monday
mavericktime Wednesday, March 17th at 10:07AM EST (link)to be accurate. It appeared on RCP today.
Good spot Maverick
hickorystick (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 11:15AM EST (link)I liked the concluding sentence the best.
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At this point, the responsible vote is “no.” Take a break, let the economy recover, and start over.
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Colonel Blethen would be proud of his old rag.
Kucinich, just announced that he is voting in favor of this bill
Leopard1996 (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 10:13AM EST (link)I believe at this point that the progressives can officially be dismissed as a political power, if they cannot drive any part of their agenda to their direction.
“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
This should not surprise a soul
Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 10:18AM EST (link)It was long suspected that several House members voted “no” the first time once Pelosi assured them that she had the votes without theirs. It allowed them the political cover with their constituents. That ain’t happening this time, so the leftists in at-risk districts are going to have to unmask themselves.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Didn't really suprise me
Leopard1996 (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 6:35PM EST (link)I assumed that all it took was someone needed to point him in the direction of the long game here, which is if this bill passes, it is setup to be a complete failure that will have everyone screaming for the government to come in and save us from its own crappy policies.
“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
Dennis Kucinich, you are the weakest link
vamoose Wednesday, March 17th at 10:25AM EST (link)Pelosi and Obama are now moving on the next weakest link. To stop the health care coup d’etat every one of the Dem ‘no’ votes needs to be an unbreakable link.
Kucinich isn't the weakest link, he is the missing link.nt/
louisiana (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 10:37AM EST (link)Who's really surprised?
joayn (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 11:30AM EST (link)Always considered him a yes vote. The guy’s a grandstanding nut-job.
From Drudge. Read the comments.
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2010/03/rep_dennis_kucinich_to_vote_xx/3113/comments-2.html
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
How ironic that on St. Patrick's day the only leprechaun
mikerazar (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 10:22AM EST (link)in the House would show himself to be unprincipled.
We have a nation to save, people.
Obamacare Like 55MPH Speed Limit
Spartan4Life (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 10:26AM EST (link)Sammy Hagar called it, “I can’t drive 55!”
How do they think they are going to implement this when there is no popular support for the bill?
Are markets signaling Obamacare failure?
Spartan4Life (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 10:34AM EST (link)I think they are. Here’s why.
Let’s face it. This bill sucks. Even most of the Dems in the House that are being encouraged(forced) to vote for it hate the bill. I can’t think of one thing in the bill that the markets would like, given the fragile state of our economy. It raises taxes, puts onerous mandates on individuals and small businesses, creates a new entitlement at a time when we are already broke, raises the cost of hiring, and divides our country at a time when we need to be coming together. In short, the stock market should hate this bill.
And yet, the market has been up something like 12 of the last 14 days. I think if investors really thought this bill was going to pass they would be crushing stocks right now, not driving them higher.
I’m not saying the markets are infallible but sometimes it helps to follow the money.
Intrade has this passing
earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 10:46AM EST (link)Thereus money on that too.
Intrade is a toy market, as a friend says
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 10:47AM EST (link)When it can move 20, 40 points in a day, there just isn’t enough money on it to take it seriously .
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Thanks Neil.
earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 11:13AM EST (link)That is one less thing for me to watch and get depressed about.
Stock markets probably would rally on Obamacare
Francis Cianfrocca (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 10:50AM EST (link)It would be a net negative for the insurance industry but positive for pharma, providers, and device companies. You’re talking about adding at least a trillion dollars in new spending to this industry over ten years. There’ll be a lot of profits made on that spending, and profits drive stock prices.
Over the last few days, I’ve seen no obvious signs that the market is signaling the outcome of the healthcare debate. Stocks are rallying today on lower interest rates and continued recovery, and the health-sensitive stocks appear to be tracking the broader market.
Francis, I Usually Bow To Your Analysis...
Spartan4Life (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 11:12AM EST (link)….but I think it is a little more nuanced than that. While I agree that there will be more money in healthcare, not less, it is more about where that money is coming from that I am focused on. The money is either being borrowed(bad), taxed(bad), or printed(worse).
Kucinich says yes to Obama for public option addition.
joayn (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 11:09AM EST (link)Greta interviewed Paul Ryan last night in a short interview. He described perfectly the “Inevitablilty Stragegy”. Used so often by the Dems, it’s an attempt to demoralize the opposition.
When I went to Gretawire this moring to watch the entire interview, it explaims why Kucinich is voting yes. Must have happened on the plane ride. Everyone please watch this.
http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/rep-paul-ryan-what-you-didnt-see-on-on-the-record/
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
208-207 Against?
jameshowell Wednesday, March 17th at 11:12AM EST (link)Looks like the current count with 16 toss-ups:
Previous No’s
Darrow D+2
Childers R+14
Davis R+14
Matheson R+15
Teague R+6
Previous Yes’s
Carney R+8
Costello D+3 (Stupak)
Cuellar D+0 (Stupak)
Doyle D+19
Ellsworth R+9 (Stupak)
Foster D+1
NcNerney R+1
Mitchell R+5
Ortiz R+2
Pomeroy R+10
Space R+7
We would need to hold the previous no’s plus pick up the three Stupaks.
There appear to be 3 soft no’s (Nye, Arcuri, and Berry) and 15 soft yes’s.
I have been calling 2 of them
GT350 Wednesday, March 17th at 1:35PM EST (link)– Teague is from my hometown.
– Carney is where I went to college.
In both cases, I am using a legit local address and a reason for my out-of-state phone number. I’ve been calling the local outpost, not even their main district office.
Carney needs a call
GT350 Wednesday, March 17th at 1:49PM EST (link)Carney (PA-10) is probably an undeclared Stupak. Very conservative rural district. He’s publicly against abortion. Claims to be a Blue Dog fiscal conservative. Some more phone calls will help.
Tell them you are a grad student at any one of these colleges in the district. That explains the outside area code on Caller ID. There are a milion colleges in PA with a transient population.
Kings College – Wilkes Barre
Lycoming College – Williamsport
Bucknell University – Lewisburg
Penn College of Technology – Williamsport
Susquehanna University – Selinsgrove
University of Scranton – Scranton (Home of Joe BIden, Dammit!)
Wilkes University – Wilkes Barre
Let me revise my comment...
GT350 Wednesday, March 17th at 1:51PM EST (link)Since I don’t condone lying to Congresscritters, let me revise my comments.
If you are a current grad student at any one of those colleges, call Chris Carney, your Representative in Congress. Tell him to vote No on HCR.
Here are District numbers to undecided's
rsexteriors (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:18PM EST (link)We need to call them at their HOME DISTRICTS no Washington D.C. Especially if you live in one of these representatives home districts. They pay allot more attention to calls made to their home districts and right now you can not get through to Washington D.C.
Jason Altmire
Aliquippa Office (724-378-0928)
Natrona Heights Office (724-226-1304)
Baird, Brian
Vancouver (360) 695-6292
Olympia (360) 352-9768
Berry, Marion
Jonesboro, AR (870) 972-4600 (800) 866-2701
Cabot, Ar (501) 843-3043
Mountain Home, AR (870) 425-3510
Boccieri, John
Canton (330) 489-4414 or (800)826-9015
Capuano, Michael
Roxbury, MA (617) 621-6208
Cuellar, Henry
Laredo, Texas (956) 725-0639
Mission, Texas (956) 424-3942
Rio Grande City, Texas (956) 487-5603
San Antonio, Texas (210)271-2851
Seguin, Texas (830) 401-0457
Giffords, Gabrielle
Tucson, AZ (520) 881-3588
Sierra Vista, AZ (520) 459-3115
Gordon, Bart
Murfreesboro Office (615) 896-1986
Cookeville Office (931) 528-5907
Gallatin Office (615) 451-5174
Gutierrez, Luis
Chicago 773-342-0774
Hill, Baron
Jeffersonville In (866) 440-1321 and (812) 288-3999
Bloomington (812) 336-3000
Kaptur, MarcyToledo, Oh (800)964-4699 (419) 259-7500
McNerney, Jerry
Stockton Office (209) 476-8552
Pleasanton Office (925) 737-0727 or (408) 744-0727
Pomeroy, Earl
Bismark, ND (701) 224-0355
Fargo, ND (701) 235-9760
My only hope is that the CBO reports put a kink in their process
sommop Tuesday, April 6th at 3:55PM EST (link)Any world on that?
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