Obama bemoans those who bear ‘false witness’ against Obamacare as he bears ‘false witness’ himself


There he goes again. President Obama bears “false witness” as he complains about others bearing “false witness” against Obamacare.

A “scripted” online discussion about Obamacare conducted with a “friendly audience” of religious voters and pastors Wednesday, ended with Obama “bemoaning those who bear ‘false witness’ against his plans — and then making a claim of his own that’s been widely shown to be false”:

“There’s been a lot of misinformation,” Obama said, complaining about people who are “bearing false witness.”

He said the first thing he wanted to correct was the idea that the proposed overhaul would force some people into different health care plans. “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan,” he said, repeating one of his stock lines.

Unfortunately, that Obama “stock line” is not true.

We reported Fox News legal analyst, Peter J. Johnson, Jr., debunked Obama’s you can “keep your healthcare plan” promise earlier this week. Yesterday, McClatchy also reported Obama’s you can keep your healthcare plan promise is not true. McClatchy relied on the “nonpartisan” FactCheck.org:

That’s not true, however, according to FactCheck.org, an independent truth squad run by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania.

These facts don’t bother Obama. He continues to make his now debunked promise.

We have seen such misrepresentation from Obama before. Presidential candidate Obama’s distortion of McCain’s “one hundred years” statement about the Iraq war is the most egregious example. Even as fact checker after fact checker found that Obama misrepresented what McCain said, Obama continued the distortions for weeks.

How long will Obama continue to bear false witness about Obamacare?

Obama is shameless, simply shameless.


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still floating all the HC lies

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 12:22PM EST (link)

via the new WH Reality Check site (Flag@whitehouse.gov is down, but are the unlawful (same old trickery) actions going on via WH:RealityCheck (hint: YES)) it is pathetic!!

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“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


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Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

You know....

jen2001 Thursday, August 20th at 3:15PM EST (link)

I have never heard our President refer to a specific page in the bill when he is refutting the right’s mis-information. Why do you think that is? Maybe because he doesn’t care about details, or he just doesn’t know or care?

it is amazing that some have dealt with details

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 3:39PM EST (link)

as they refer people right to the place they are LYING about, which is why they have always dealt in the vague generalities…. They know that they can bold face lie to far too many Americans by boldly stating a section/page of the Bill and folks will buy the BS because of the seeming specifics of the distortion… So sad. But you are right, Obama especially, many are just IGNORING what is in the Bill as if they can have some plausable deniability or something when the Facts are out there and cannot be so easily side-stepped. The out-right lies of the Reality Check site (Flag-whitehouse.gov is down, but are the unlawful (same old trickery) actions going on via WH:RealityCheck (hint: YES)) is startling!!!! It is easy to see, though, how they construct the carefully crafted “refutation” based on the most extreme of “question” to begin with to build their lie/distortion on a grain of truth (as discussed in: Democrat Health Care Townhall propaganda – a place to report the Dem’s Talking Points (read: Lies) and refute them with specifics) — Euthanasia, Death Panel, Abortion, etc, things are NOT implicitly stated but are in HR3200 by EFFECTIVE EQUIVALANCE and most Americans can/will/do understand that when/if they spend more than 2 seconds to think about it and have the actual language of the Bill and past Democrat expressed intents (THEIR OWN WORDS from Campaign speeches) can be compared/examined.

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

If they gave specific pages to refer to,

jen2001 Thursday, August 20th at 3:45PM EST (link)

their jig is up. Their death panels, Euthanasia clause and personal information appropriation would be available for all to see. The next problem is the confusing lingo they have used on purpose to confuse Americans and not allow them to see plainly their plans.

Interestingly enough, have we heard from any of the illegal immigrants rights groups weighing in on the healthcare plan specifics to their member groups? I haven’t.

And Hollywood

jen2001 Thursday, August 20th at 3:51PM EST (link)

has been curiously silent about healthcare. Usually they are all in for liberal causes.

 

they don't dare stir-up the issue beyond the nest it is

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 4:13PM EST (link)

they want the passage (and the coverage for Illegals hidden there-in)… as with so many other groups… we’ve not heard it but I’ll bet you promises have been made regarding “PARTNER” coverage going to be mandated changes over “spouse” that will EVENTUALLY be forced in!!!

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

 
 
 
 
 

Two Wrongs

DonPMitchell (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 12:58PM EST (link)

I’m sure there are a lot of misleading and incorrect statements in Obama’s speeches. But two wrongs don’t make a right. It’s not helping the conservative cause to have wingnuts waving guns, birth certificates and pictures of Hitler. That is not what conservatism is about, and it is undermining the credibility and reputation of conservatives.

Where is the sensible alternative? Why don’t you try advocating some real free-market reforms, like allowing true inter-state competition on health insurrance?

Goldwater: In your heart, you know he’s right

The Hitler picture was brought by a Democrat

diakrioi (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:04PM EST (link)

Here is the link: http://theblogprof.blogspot.com/2009/08/busted-obama-as-hitler-poster-was.html

Don’t be fooled again. Don’t automatically assume that a wingnut at a townhall meeting is one of our wingnuts.

 

Nice try

WarEagle01 (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:04PM EST (link)

But you outed yourself with your use of the term “wingnut.” The Goldwater slogan is a nice touch though. Now run along, I’m sure the Kos kids are missing you.

“A wise, doughy leg with rich tingly experiences will always reach better conclusions than will a more tanned, muscular leg that hasn’t felt those thrills.” –Chris Matthews’ Leg

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Waving guns and satire is wrong?

pauly1620 (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:08PM EST (link)

Seems to me that the MSM messge is starting to saturate our brains judging by your comment. If you honestly think that those individuals represent the conservative movement then I’d say the MSDNC/CNN crowd have won you over.

If you’re incompetent you have to be honest, and if you’re crooked you have to be clever.
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I imagine you think it was perfectly fine

Lammo (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 2:07PM EST (link)

for the Black Panthers to “wave guns” when they did it:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2009/08/18/media-barely-noticed-legal-gun-brandishing-leftist-black-panthers-2000

Republicans are full of sensible alternatives but under the current form of “bi-partisanship” the answer from the Demoncrats is always NO.

Now go away before we taunt you a second time.

Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (John Corapi, The Black Sheep Dog)

 

I don't really have a problem with people bringing all their rights to a town hall meeting

bannedtroll Thursday, August 20th at 2:14PM EST (link)

but it does make for easy fodder for Bathtub Boy and Mr. Maddow. It probably makes about as much sense as a lefty bringing their “medical marijuana” to town hall meeting in CA. You may be able to do it legally, but it makes it easy for your political opponents to malign you. (Not that the MSM would ever cover Obama supporters hitting the bong outside a town hall meeting, but I digress…)

Republicans have lots of good ideas, but no one wants to hear them. The left likes to castigate the right for not offering any ideas, but when we give them, they shout us down from their bully pulpit and dismiss them and say we don’t have any real ideas. They have their agenda, and as far as they’re concerned, it’s their way or the highway – there are no other alternatives.

ABC did an infomercial on Obamacare – if they were going to be fair, they could have given equal time to some Republican ideas. Did they? Not a chance.

I’m a banned Democrat who came here to promote the idea that Republicans are racists for disliking Barack Obama.

 

How do you know they are "wingnuts"

Warrior (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 2:28PM EST (link)

and not plants or union members disguised as conserves? And besides, how can anyone control every yahoo out there?

Besides, everybody from Tim Pawlenty to Newt Gingrich has practically screamed out long lists of “real free maerket reforms.”

Interstate insurance competition, Medical Savings Accounts, tax free insurance or credits, tort reform, fee for service, rewarding outcomes, medical malpractice reform, prohibiting coverage denials based on preexisting conditions, guaranteeing portability, electronic prescriptions and medical records, streamlining billing codes and practices, price and quality transparency, pay-for-performance measures, one-stop primary-care “medical homes,” chronic disease management initiatives, tax equity for health insurance purchases, increased incentives for health savings accounts, creating the ability to purchase insurance or form risk pools across state lines, and much much more.

Alas, there’s nothing magical about HOW to reform healthcare. The problem is wrenching power away from statist Democrats, big govt lobbyists and Utopian Messiahs with delusions of grandeur. In other words, the Repubs are out of power right now. And when they were in, well, remember when Bush ’43 tried to reform Social Security? The Dems’ misinformation machine had Ed Asner making robo calls to nursing homes and assisted living facilities across the country to frighten the old folks with tales of how Bush was going to take away their Soc Sec payments.

That’s one reason why what they are doing now is so shameless.

“Bearing false witness” indeed.

“Racial criteria are irrational, irrelevant, [and] odious to our way of life.” — Thurgood Marshall for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund in the 1950 Supreme Court case of McLaurin v. Oklahoma

 

Excuse me, "wingnut?"

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 11:28PM EST (link)

Are you forgetting that you were pretending to be a conservative Republican?

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Churches reponding to Obama's call should be investigated by the IRS

diakrioi (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:01PM EST (link)

Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t Obama blatantly calling on churches to take political action in support of Obamacare? Is separation of church and state only applicable if the cause is not a big government cause?

I’m a little worried. What happened to the slick and smart candidate Obama? Watching the ineptitude of this administration is like watching a different person. Either this guy is coming apart or he has something else up his sleeve. Either scenario is worrisome.

DNC Chairman Howard Dean said this in 2006.

Husker (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 8:28PM EST (link)

“The religious community has to decide whether they want to be tax exempt or involved in politics.”

 
 

Churches NOT responding to Comrade Obama more likely to be investigated

Achance (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:06PM EST (link)

by the IRS and Congress, it’s the Chicago Way.

In Vino Veritas

 

Is anyone else having trouble with "Reply to This?"

Achance (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:13PM EST (link)

If I hit Reply To This, it just takes me to the top of the thread. Is it me, or is it RedState?

In Vino Veritas

What web browser are you using? nt

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:19PM EST (link)

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

They just pushed IE 8 to us the other day and

Lammo (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 2:12PM EST (link)

I have been getting “bounced” to the top by clicking Reply To This and also getting a message about “Compatibility View” that doesn’t stay visible long enough to read the whole thing.

Using Firefox at home with no issues – - stuck with IE at work.

Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (John Corapi, The Black Sheep Dog)

Lammo, I just downloaded FF portable...

nessa (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 2:37PM EST (link)

I’ve been surfing RS for thirty minutes and not a single error, issue or missing diary. I’m sold. It was only 22 Mb installed and it’s not on my work computer, its on my flash drive. The speed is leaving ie in the dust!

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Contributor to Unified Patriots

teh twitter

nessa

muffin Thursday, August 20th at 5:29PM EST (link)

Glad you like Firefox. I wouldn’t use anything else. IE is slower than dirt on my computer – sometimes it would take 5 minutes to close the browser. FF is right on the money (and supposedly safer to use than IE.) Ooooohhhhh, the goons will come after me now. :)

Fortitudine vincimus – By endurance we conquer

 
 
 
 

I also get a message that says:

Achance (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:15PM EST (link)

“It looks like the Administrator hasn’t activated Brians Threaded Comments…” or something like that.

In Vino Veritas

achance, I've been getting that off and on...

nessa (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:31PM EST (link)

since the change to the new high-speed, low drag servers. Usually if I reload the page it works.

What I’m finding is that often when I go to a diary, the reccommended list and diaries lists don’t appear. I still struggle trying to write in html, I’m sure not going to try to diagnose a few minor issues after a major change like the new servers.

I think fixing it involves Neil sacrificeing a small woodland animal, dancing in a cloak around a fire and chanting html till it all works right. When the tech guys start telling me about bajigabytes and things that is always what I picture in my minds eye while I nod sagely and ignore them. It’s more entertaining than hearing about processor speeds etc also! :)

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

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teh twitter

That is completely untrue

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:40PM EST (link)

The animal is actually quite large ;)

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

Small woodland animal? Someone could get a moose in short order.

CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:42PM EST (link)

But then she could also just fix the server telekinetically.

Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)

soli Deo gloria

If She® had been involved

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:57PM EST (link)

The server would have been too in awe of her power and beauty to fail in the first place :P

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 
 
 
 

Using IE, don't know which version but pretty new

Achance (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:24PM EST (link)

and recently updated. The message about not activating a plug in is wierd, but if I hit OK, my comment posts; it just goes to the bottom rather than as a reply to a particular comment.

In Vino Veritas

IE: Where html goes to die ;) n/t

IL_Glock21 (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:27PM EST (link)

n/t

_____________________________________________

- “Make love not war? Real men can do both!”

 

I'd recommend Firefox or Google Chrome, then

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:38PM EST (link)

Firefox is pretty standard. I recommend trying it first: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/firefox.html

I haven’t tried Google Chrome, but I hear that it handles HTML very well. Here’s the link: http://download.cnet.com/Google-Chrome/3000-2356_4-10881381.html?tag=mncol

I use Apple’s Safari browser and it seems to handle the current iteration of Redstate pretty well, also, but I have had problems with it in the past. Regardless, here’s a link if you’re interested: http://www.apple.com/safari/

Hope that helps.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

aesthete, is firefox portable any good?

nessa (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:41PM EST (link)

I can’t load programs on my work laptop.

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Contributor to Unified Patriots

teh twitter

Last time I used it, Firefox was in version 2.5

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:56PM EST (link)

I had no problems with it at the time, but I don’t know what’s changed since then. I’d imagine that it would still be fine, though.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

Been using FF a couple weeks. Works great. nt

redneck_hippie (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 2:00PM EST (link)

Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

I've used Firefox for years. It's great! nt

muffin Thursday, August 20th at 2:11PM EST (link)

Fortitudine vincimus – By endurance we conquer

I'm trying it now!

nessa (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 2:16PM EST (link)

so far so good. It’s version 3.5.2.

Thanks!

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Contributor to Unified Patriots

teh twitter

Many helpful add-ons available

Lammo (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 2:28PM EST (link)

I especially like Tab Mix Plus although I’m sure there are others that do the same thing as well or even better.

Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (John Corapi, The Black Sheep Dog)

 
 
 
 
 

Too old for new tricks and too much of my work

Achance (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 2:27PM EST (link)

depends on MS Office. Neil’s suggestion that I clear the cache fixed the problem – for the moment anyway.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

Try clearing your cache (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 2:15PM EST (link)

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That worked! Thanks, Neil nt

Achance (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 2:26PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

Only by luck :-)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 3:03PM EST (link)

See my diary.

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I love it when proabortion absolutists quote the Bible

NickDeringer (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 1:28PM EST (link)

Who would Jesus abort?

Isn't Obama the new Messiah?

bannedtroll Thursday, August 20th at 2:19PM EST (link)

I guess we’ll find out when/if the bill passes. It’ll probably be anybody for any reason, on your dime. But, don’t worry – it’s God’s will.

I’m a banned Democrat who came here to promote the idea that Republicans are racists for disliking Barack Obama.

 

How on earth?

marshmom (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 8:17PM EST (link)

How on earth can any “religious” organizations back BO’s plan knowing that it includes payment for abortion? Even knowing all of his other pro-abortion measures should keep them from supporting anything he puts out unless he changes his position on abortion.

It's all just Hope and Mirrors (n/t)

NickDeringer (Diary) Thursday, August 20th at 9:04PM EST (link)
 
 

This administration

muffin Thursday, August 20th at 2:14PM EST (link)

is grasping at straws. They will use any tactics in their little bag of tricks to gain control over We The People. Just imagine the backlash if this monstrosity passes. Secession anyone?

Fortitudine vincimus – By endurance we conquer

 

The left can't have it both ways...

carlsbadd Thursday, August 20th at 9:17PM EST (link)

All of a sudden this is a moral imperitive and Obama is quoting scripture that the left has banned from public schools.

You can’t have it both ways. To use scripture and moral imperitives when it suits you but restrict it when it comes to schools or court houses and other public places does not add one ounce of credibility to your mission.

 

Look in the Mirror and there you will see obama

bobojake (Diary) Friday, August 21st at 12:52AM EST (link)

than bearer of false witness himself obama the liar

 

I not sure which is more disturbing

Dan Perrin (Diary) Friday, August 21st at 2:34AM EST (link)

a) he is lying knowingly and easily; or
b) he really believes what he is saying.

Either option is really, really bad.

 

My word to Mr. Obama....

Ned Reck (Diary) Friday, August 21st at 10:58AM EST (link)

My words to Mr. Obama….

We got an ol’ sayin’ down here in the South…but I’ll need to clean it up somewhat…

“Don’t urinate in the area of my latissimus dorsi and tell me it’s precipitating.”

Ned Reck

On the plains of “Hesitation”… lie the blackened bones of
countless millions… who… at the dawn of victory…
sat down to rest… and while resting….. DIED.
~ Anonymous

 

Somone should have told the pastors if they participate in

DavidS1787 (Diary) Friday, August 21st at 12:30PM EST (link)

pushing obama care, they could loose their not for proffit status for their church and have to pay taxes for taking a political stance…

If theses pastors know what I wrote above, they will not push his health care program in their churches!

Obama will fail once again.