Obama gives Holder the green light for the left’s long-sought show trials


Show trial: a trial (as of political opponents) in which the verdict is rigged and a public confession is often extractedMerriam-Webster Online Dictionary

President Obama was presented with another opportunity to rule out political retribution dressed up as investigations of the looney left-wing’s fanciful allegations of Bush administration war-crimes.

Instead of standing by his previous obfuscation that “we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards,” Obama gave a green light to Attorney General Holder to start the show trials — a political theater relic of Joseph Stalin’s Great Purge of political opponents from the former Soviet Union.

Watch the following CBS video report:

Obama has been planning this for a long time. In a December 2007 KJFK radio interview with Christiane Brown, Obama promised that one of his first acts as president would be to call on his new Attorney General to investigate the Bush administration.

OBAMA: Well one of things that I’ve said, and I’ve said this repeatedly publicly, since I taught constitutional law for ten years is that…one of my first acts as president is going to be call in my new attorney general to review every single executive order that’s been issued… to overturn those that are undermining the Constitution, undermining our civil liberties, that are promoting this cockamamie theory of Unitary government, that says that somehow the executive branch does not need to obey the Constitution…uhh

(Cross talk)

BROWN: But, but Senator Obama forgive me…

OBAMA: Let, let me finish…and during that process of review, if it’s determined that laws have been broken, then obviously accountability would be part of my Attorney General’s job.

Nothing is left to chance by Obama leaving the decision up to Holder. Obama’s attorney general has already made his mind up about the left’s assertions that the legal authority justifying the CIA interrogation methods was more than wrong. Holder is on record with strong opinions about not only allegations of torture, but also the Guantanamo terrorist detention facility, extraordinary rendition, indefinite detentions of non-U.S. citizen terror suspects and the NSA’s terrorist surveillance program.


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Let Them Unleash The Genie of Proscription

IJB Tuesday, April 21st at 4:58PM EST (link)

I don’t think they’ll like where it ends up taking them.

 

I have to agree with Ed Morrissey:

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:01PM EST (link)

Come On, Moe - You Know The Answer

IJB Tuesday, April 21st at 5:08PM EST (link)

This is will open the door for them to prosecute any Republican they can get their hands on.

In light of this, no Republican is safe – I also expect that they’ll try to charge any Congressional Republicans who were briefed about this, as well.

This is the beginning of the purge. This is the opening salvo to completely eliminate all domestic opposition.

After this, and the Tea Party response, it’s becoming more clear than ever that no one is safe from these guys.

See streetwise's response.

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:14PM EST (link)

Too many people too intimately involved in this on the Democratic side, and the President has a 54% approval rating. Even if he wanted to start a coup – which I don’t buy – he can’t. Hell, he can’t even pass Card Check.

These Are Going To Be Show Trials

IJB Tuesday, April 21st at 5:19PM EST (link)

Selective prosecutions will be the point.

Holder’s the guy who decides who gets charged and who doesn’t.

When all the Dems who are briefed on this go in front of the cameras now and say, “Yes, we were briefed, but every Democrat briefed in these meetings lodged continuous and vociferous objections against these practices!”, does anyone really think Obama or Holder will challenge them and say otherwise?!

Nope – this is all about criminalizing being a Republican office holder, starting with being a former Bush Admin. official, and then going from there…

And when the defense attorneys...

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:23PM EST (link)

…provide documentary evidence demonstrating otherwise, all those Dems have a lot of explaining to do.

Look, I don’t think that I’m going to convince you otherwise, so I’m just going to note that I don’t believe that the Democrats would have the guts to try this even if they were inclined to do so.

I Can Think Of No Other Logical Reason To Open These Genie's Bottle...

IJB Tuesday, April 21st at 5:29PM EST (link)

…Unless they intend to follow through on it.

You don’t pull out the grenade (though, this is more like pulling out a nuclear bomb!) unless you intend to use it.

There is no possible logical reason, I can think of, for Obama to put this flier out there, unless they are going follow through on it.

The only other possible reason is that the man is deeply, deeply stupid. (And, while I’d like to believe that, I don’t.)

Logic? Reason? Obama?

Common_Cents (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 6:33PM EST (link)

Obama is finally throwing moveon.org a bone.

Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from, behind, the Back Nine.
Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.

 
 
 

That may be, IJB

Steph C (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:29PM EST (link)

But even show trials have their limits. As Moe said the approval ratings aren’t nearly as high as the Obama led media would like us to believe. The more of this that goes, the lower those true ratings will become.

I read this post and the one below it. At some point, they’ll start thinking about what’s going to happen when the shoe is on the other foot. They really don’t have the power base they’re saying they have.

I think you are right in some ways but I think Moe has some things right as well. What will likely happen as more and more people become disillusioned with what’s going on, the prosecutions will end with a ‘not guilty” or something equally lame to stall off the retribution on those presiding. Otherwise, they’ll literally tear this country apart and they don’t want that. Calming down Code Pink and Kos will be a whole lot easier than igniting a cival war. They want the country whole so they can enjoy supreme power.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Approval Ratings Only Matter...

IJB Tuesday, April 21st at 5:34PM EST (link)

…When you have elections.

Moves like these have me joining some of the more paranoid around here – maybe they aren’t sweating that kind of stuff anymore, because they know things we don’t.

I’d like to be proven wrong on this, but every move this Admin. has made has been even *worse* than I figured, and that takes some real doing!

If it weren’t for the incompetence of Congressional Dems, we’d really be ‘in it’ right now.

But it’s starting to look like the Obama Admin. (and their minions in the Legacy Media) aren’t going to let that stop them…

Approval ratings matter to the Dems

Steph C (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:40PM EST (link)

It’s how they decide what to do. Remember, Clinton was famous for using polls to determine his governance. People are a whole lot angrier now and shady polls aren’t going to insulate Obama or the Dem Congress from the backlash if they continue with this charade.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Ruling by poll results from placing power above principal

Next93 (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 10:44PM EST (link)

If you abandon the need for polls (by rigging the census, maybe?), you can rule any way you choose and not care about the polls.

Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.

 
 

I hate to say it, but I'm starting to feel the same way

Next93 (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 10:43PM EST (link)

I know it sounds like a paranoid delusion, but there’s a lot of stuff going on that only makes sense if you don’t expect to ever have to leave office. I can think of several things Obama’s already done that are, at least agruably unconstitutional, and these legal cases would leave him wide open to an indictment after he leaves office.

I realize that politicians have a hard time with this concept; the Republicans should have realized that impeaching Clinton with no hope of a conviction would leave the next republican president to face a non-stop drum-beat of calls for impeachement. But this goes way beyond anything any rational person would expose themselves to if they expected to ever leave office.

I suppose it makes sense, after all, Messiah IS a lifetime appointment.

Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.

 
 

And how many of these people have you known up close and personal?

papalee Tuesday, April 21st at 8:11PM EST (link)

When you write:”they’ll literally tear this country apart and they don’t want that,” that may be true for some of the Congressional and Senatorial types, but a closer look at Obama’s mentor’s from the time he was twelve just might cause you to rethink this. Between his arrogance and his too open hatred for this country and its institutions, that just very well be what he wants most. In that case our only chance of national survival may be a visit by the starred uniforms backed by a few tanks to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

It may be what Obama wants in his cold heart

Steph C (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 8:38PM EST (link)

but he’d have to accomplish it with Congress’ complicity and they’re too enamored of their own power to let go in order to set him up as a dictator.

If it gets that far, we will have to deal with the blue heads, too, and it might take more than a few tanks. The U.S.A. is a lot bigger than Cuba or Venezuela and coup wouldn’t be so easy to accomplish without a hefty margin of approval from the people. I don’t see that happening.

I could be wrong but I don’t think I am at this point in the term. Besides, Obama, supposedly a Constitutional lawyer, should know that if he does away with the Constitution he dissolves the union of the states and I think there would be a whole lot of states not real happy with that circumstance. NY and CA might get their wish without having to formally secede, as would VT, OR, and WA.

But then, we’d be able to drill for oil in the Gulf region and ANWR and anywhere else we have a mind to.

He might want it, might be salivating for it, in fact, but he won’t do it because… I least hope… he is not that dumb.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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I doubt he'll have a hefty margin of approval

Steph C (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 8:47PM EST (link)

anytime soon if this thing is any indication of how the country thinks of his policies.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/PollsPopUp.aspx?id=324862436346330

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Hoping for smart *and* avaricious?

Next93 (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 10:57PM EST (link)

The same body that can be counted on to vote for legislation that they know is bad (ruinous!) for the country, provided it has enough pork to give them some short-term popularity, is going to standup to the Obamunists as they dismantle the economy of this country and hand the pieces out, because they recognize the long-term threat to thier power?

That’s like putting a box of chocolates in front of a dog and expecting his sense of self-control to prevent him from eating himself to death.

I have two words for you: “Stimulus Package”.

Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.

They're not getting any short term popularity of their own.

Steph C (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 6:11AM EST (link)

They’re riding what they think is Obama’s popularity, but I see your point.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics

 
 

Obama a Constitutional Lawyer?

papalee Sunday, April 26th at 9:11PM EST (link)

One of the legal greats of the last century wrote something to the effect that lawyers’ knowledge of the Constitution ceased when law schools began to allow lawyers rather than historians teach it. What he has said about the document is mainly in terms of complaint about what it was not designed to allow the government to do for the people.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Where this is headed

mallcopsaysno Tuesday, April 21st at 6:07PM EST (link)

Obama hasn’t moved on this issue precisely because he knows where it’s going. Pelosi and a host of other high level Dems had knowledge of these “enhanced interrogation” programs. Obama can try to keep the circle of inquiry to the Bush DOJ lawyers, but a truly independent prosecutor will look beyond those bounds. This could get ugly, and I say let’s have it. The one way to “move beyond” and “look forward” is to settle this issue publicly.

 
 

Since Pelosi, Harmon, Rockefeller were among the people briefed on interrogations,

streetwise (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:09PM EST (link)

obviously, they should be prosecuted.

Feinstein just said they weren't. I wonder if they'll deny it as well. nt

Common_Cents (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 6:23PM EST (link)

She said they need some time to sort out the facts: translation, they need time to craft an approach that only nails Reps.

Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from, behind, the Back Nine.
Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.

 
 

why defend the country against terrorist, if your country comes after you...

DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:11PM EST (link)

Plain and simple, fear Holder more than you fear the terrorist, do not do anything wrong for you may be prosecuted for following procedures. Priceless. What is the term that is reserved for following orders of something that was legal then being prosecuted for the act when the act become illegal?

That term would be "ex post facto"

Next93 (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 11:01PM EST (link)

Yeah, it would be like Congress passing a law to punish people after the fact for accepting a bonus from a company that’s been nationalized.

And we know THAT could never happen…

Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.

5

gekster (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 11:07PM EST (link)

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

 
 
 

But isn't Obama the greatest uniter EVER?

Flagstaff (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:29PM EST (link)

He has united the left behind him, and he’s determined to unite the rest of us in prison.

Damn the Constitution, full speed astern.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 

The problem with show trials is...

kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:35PM EST (link)

The victims get to present their case, and it gets to be televised. They really have a pretty good track record of backfiring. This gives all the indication of being a case of hoist by their own petard.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

Closed (Secret) Trials Solves That Issue

IJB Tuesday, April 21st at 5:40PM EST (link)

National security, and all.
You understand, American public, right? We can’t possibly publicize these trials without damaging our national security, so they’ll be closed to the public.

This is what makes this current move so scary – if they follow through on this, there’s almost nothing that can stop them.

This can get really scary.

Flagstaff (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:43PM EST (link)

Maybe the problem can get through the concrete skull of the “moderates.”

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 
 
 

I m so sick of this guy

panthera (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:42PM EST (link)

Is everything about him and his useless ideology? He takes arrogance to a new level. He has no leadership experience and yet he knows everything! Everyone is wrong but him. Its amazing!

Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.

 

Please read what I'm saying before you stomp on me... =)

leftylurker (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:49PM EST (link)

So, I don’t think that the enhanced interrogation techniques I’ve read about so far constitute torture. Just want to get that out.

But let’s say that top level officials were involved in approving or ordering actual torture…like electrodes and finger chopping and whatnot. If that’s the case, I want to see them prosecuted. I don’t care who they are; Democrat, Republican, or whatever. We have to have standards in this country, and as far as I read it, torture is illegal under US law.

If we want to pass legislation making it legal for us to torture people, then we should. But people who break the law have to be punished.

I doubt Dick Cheney would be calling for all the memos to be released if that was the case (n/t)

Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:53PM EST (link)

.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

That's a good point.

leftylurker (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:57PM EST (link)

And i think it’s what we’ll probably see.

 
 

Perhaps

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:57PM EST (link)

but if you’re going by a “by-the book” stance, you should consider that, should all laws on the books and in the Constitution be enforced for politicians, there would be few politicians left, including President Obama. I, personally, would love this, and for all I know, you would, too. Given your posting history, I’d say that you probably would. However, that’s not going to happen for obvious reasons, and as such, it’s fair to say that Obama and co. are only enforcing the laws that are politically convenient for them, and are not truly intent on giving justice a fair say.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Hear hear!

leftylurker (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 6:00PM EST (link)

I totally agree.

Here’s an anecdote, it may explain my stance:

Years ago, during the monica lewinsky hearings, my mother, once a HARDCORE lefty (think Red Rudy/Black Panthers) and now a hard righty, looks over at me, frowns, and says “sometimes I wish we had succeeded in destroying the political class in the 60′s.”

Gotta agree with that

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 6:02PM EST (link)

n/t

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 
 
 

I read it leftylurker...

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 5:59PM EST (link)

The problem is that it just doesn’t really happen.

Bottom line to conservatives no one is above the law…the law being the Constitution and the U.S. criminal code in this case.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


This is dangerous territory

conservativecounsel Tuesday, April 21st at 6:18PM EST (link)

This is not about who is above the law using hindsight. This is a circus and an intended political attack. The actors relied on legal opinions. The lawyers formulated an opinion under thier interpretation of the law. Where is the intent? The last time I checked (pre-Obama) is that the commission of a crime required intent.

We're not talking about that kind of pre-Revolutionary

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 6:21PM EST (link)

definition of crime. America’s consciousness has now been raised, see, e.g., Stalin’s Soviet Union.

In Vino Veritas

Absolutely! The left sees criminality in two ways;

papalee Sunday, April 26th at 8:53PM EST (link)

nothing they do is criminal because their intentions are good and everything conservatives do is illegal and criminal because they are neither leftists or liberals. DiFi carried a gun in her purse because she feared for her life, but she wanted no one else to be able to do so.

 
 

this is banana-republic territory

pilgrim (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 6:25PM EST (link)

You would expect in a country like Venezuela, Nicaragua, or Bolivia where the politicians in the previous regime would get put into a show trial and put behind bars. You do not expect this in the United States of America. I could be wrong, but I think this is ‘just words’ by Obama to appease his far left base.


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huh??? what is dangerous about what I said...nt

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 6:29PM EST (link)

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


Not what you said

conservativecounsel Tuesday, April 21st at 7:01PM EST (link)

My comments were referencing where this is going. I just happened to comment on your use of the no one is above the law comment…

 
 
 
 

What if your choice is putting a terrorist on the rack

David123 (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 7:01PM EST (link)

or letting another 9/11 happen?

I think that failing to put a terrorist on the rack, in that situation, would be a far greater sin of omission ["we're going to let 3,000 innocent people die because it's illegal to torture a terrorist"] than simply torturing the terrorist until you got enough information to stop the terrorist attack.

David123

That's going to be a really loooong terrorist!

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 7:04PM EST (link)

And I’m starting to think about political figures that could wear the iron maiden really fashionably.

In Vino Veritas

 

Then we should repeal the provisions regarding torture

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 9:44PM EST (link)

I’m on your same boat in the sense that, if it is completely confirmed that someone is a terrorist, then you can fry the sucker for all I care, so long as the information obtained is reliable and useful. (If it’s not confirmed that someone is a terrorist, however, I have much greater qualms, but I digress.) That said, current law doesn’t allow torture (though its definition of torture is incredibly vague), so I believe that any torturing going on should happen if it’s authorized by law, and shouldn’t be done illegally.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

torture will soon be defined by what the victim thinks it is, PC?-nt

DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 9:46PM EST (link)

sorry

DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 9:46PM EST (link)

that comment was meant for this thread, whoops. I think I need to put down the whiskey.

 
 
 
 

Olbermann's last Speshul Komment

WarEagle01 (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 6:24PM EST (link)

must have really struck a nerve. What a poor, weak, obsequious little man is our Barry, in thrall to pear-shaped perverted baseball card collector.

“A wise, doughy leg with rich tingly experiences will always reach better conclusions than will a more tanned, muscular leg that hasn’t felt those thrills.” –Chris Matthews’ Leg

“The alternative to the awful extremity of abortion is the indispensable joy of introducing this flawed world to someone who might make it better.”–John Hayward (AKA Dr. Zero)

 

Civil War

erp Tuesday, April 21st at 6:46PM EST (link)

Of course they want civil war so they can respond with martial law leading to a complete collapse of America as we know it to be replaced with a socialist paradise.

erp

 

The most ironic thing of all is that

bk (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 7:01PM EST (link)

Obama is engaging in “this cockamamie theory of Unitary government” WAAAAAY more than Bush ever did. He’s stiffing Congress by appointing “czars” that don’t require Senate confirmation and giving all sorts of powers to himself and his comrades that violate the Constitution left and right.

Yes, and this:

Praying (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 9:12PM EST (link)

“to overturn those that are undermining the Constitution, undermining our civil liberties, that are promoting this cockamamie theory of Unitary government, that says that somehow the executive branch does not need to obey the Constitution…uhh ”

WHO is undermining the Constitution?? With reckless abandonment? Who is undermining our civil liberties? Does this guy ever even listen to what he says?

Heaven help us!

No!!!11!1!!1!1! The Bilderbergers are coming

 
 

It will be a one-sided hearing...

larryp Tuesday, April 21st at 7:18PM EST (link)

with lots of former admin and Gopers. then a fast gavel and adjournment for the day or week. the testimony will be left hanging in the air.
Job one, Job done. It could go on like this all summer.

 

Unintended Consequences

red4ever (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 8:34PM EST (link)

The actual people who acted under the memos will not prosecuted, President Obama has ruled that out (might still happen). What he wants to prosecute is those who drafted the memorandums. This is how he gets just the Republicans. Doesn’t matter who was briefed, the lawyers are at fault.

Which means, the lawyers will be prosecuted for providing legal advice. Now some might argue, crime/fraud exception to giving legal advice. However, since it is arguable whether or not a crime was committed, that exception would not apply. Therefore, the lawyers would be prosecuted for giving advice that they are required by their profession and codes of conduct to give.

If these prosecutions go through, you will see a chilling effect on the entire legal community. No one will want to give advice with this as a precedent. It would mean any advice that turns out to not be acceptable to a group would then become criminal behavior. No lawyer will want to take the risk of not just losing their law license but their freedom.

Before anyone says “good, lawyers are the problem” remember that the next time you need one to advise you on the home purchase, your will, or after your are in a car accident (God forbid). You want the best advice available, not the one that has been so sanitized and hedged around with maybes as to be useless.

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.
Dante

I agree with your conclusions...

fmaidment (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 8:39PM EST (link)

…but not your premise.

They’re not after the lawyers. They want Bush and Cheney to pay, in the klink, and they’ll do anything to get them.

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“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”
– - Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791

Oh exactly.

red4ever (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 9:40PM EST (link)

They want Bush and Cheney to pay. They don’t care about the collateral effects such efforts will have. Their goal is to make the Republicans pay for daring to run the country in a way they disagree with. The consequences will be attorneys afraid to give advice.

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.
Dante

 
 
 

This is good news

ssshannon1026 (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 8:54PM EST (link)

This is the best thing that could possibly happen. The left will never get this genie back into the bottle, once it is loose there will be no stopping it. The spectable of a former American president being put on trial for effectively performing his duties as commander in chief will be catastrophic to the democrat party. Once our courts are done with them, how can they stop international courts from doing the same thing? The democrats will have no choice but to side with spineless socialist governments as they put our citizens on trial for doing their duty as they saw it. One way or another, it will be the great turning point in this entire debate. This will force the issue in a way that nothing else possibly could.

Just think, in 4 yrs, Obama can stand trial for

Old_Crow (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 9:29PM EST (link)

following bad legal advice regarding bailing out private businesses with taxpayer money. By then, the economy will have crashed and the public will be hanging corrupt politicians from every tree limb.

“Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm.” — James Madison

If congressional races go as they seem likely, OC, Obama may stand trial

spainishirish (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 9:37PM EST (link)

for generational theft in early 2011.

 
 

If this type of thinking was prevalent during the mid 1940's,

The_Rebel (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 10:20PM EST (link)

I could imagine Harry Truman being put on trial for killing tens of thousands of civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, despite the fact he was performing his duties as commander in chief, and despite the fact that he made the decision in order to save American lives. Granted, it was during wartime. But we are facing a new type of war today, where the rules of engagement should not be straitjacketed.

Obama has effectively stated that if a terrorist had planted a nuclear device in this country, set to explode in mere hours or minutes, he would not resort to waterboarding as a means to extract the necessary information to save American lives, even though this method has achieved documented success.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us/politics/22blair.html?_r=1&hp

Let the Dems go down this road. It will blow up in their faces much the same as the Oliver North hearings did in the late 1980′s. And Harry is probably turning over in his grave right now.

"But we are facing a new type of war today..."

redneck_hippie (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 10:31PM EST (link)

We are facing a war upon ourselves propagated and glorified by Obama. Our children and the gullible fully grown are being taught to hate their country.

Why would America defend itself against all harm if it doesn’t think it is worth preserving.

This is nihilism in our time.


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Logical conclusion of multiculturalism

Next93 (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 11:23PM EST (link)

Any culture that’s too gutless to view its own values as superior is on a glideslope to extinction. Wat you’re describing is simply the logical conclusion of multiculturalism, diversity training, and the revisionist history taught in our schools.

Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.

The idea that our nation

redneck_hippie (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 11:29PM EST (link)

somehow has no history worth knowing about is a symptom of the rot. We have seen where the dumbing down has brought us. It has brought us the election of 2008.


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We can let it blow up in thier faces, but what city with it?

gekster (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 11:22PM EST (link)

already put nt once

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

Hopefully, San Francisco (nt)

IJB Tuesday, April 21st at 11:35PM EST (link)
 
 
 

This moral superiority charade

redneck_hippie (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 9:05PM EST (link)

is sickening.

The problem the administration is having is that Americans increasingly find Obama’s policies distasteful if not dangerous.

What he is trying to do is cover up his slide in overseas prestige and his reputation deficit at home by making a show of cleansing all of the bad from our government.

It was hard to believe that blame bush could be the overriding theme with all that is going on, but those dunderheads are going to continue beating that dead horse and any other dead horses that they can manufacture. We can expect no less after the oil and banking show trials. Obama does need a miracle to hide his ugly policies. (Infanticide, NEA pandering, amnesty, wealth destruction…) Flogging the torture and Iraq meme gets him all those touchy feely press releases and yes, even better, righteous indignation about the sins that have come before him.

When has an American president ever acted in such a craven way? Will this solve even one of the overwhelming problems we face? Will even one child get the quality education he deserves? Are we going to deter even one terrorist foreign or domestic from planning and carrying out further attacks? Do the jobless become less despondent or the entrepreneurs more confident?

Well, America is just beginning to wake up and Obama may be planning to rise above it all, but he is not fooling me, nor many others. This fancy dance about pillorying lawyers for doing their job will not disguise the fact that he does not know what to do about any of these things. If he really believed in himself, we would not have to put up with his silly posturing. The guy was styrofoam all through the campaign and he is no more substantive than a fart in a hurricane.


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This is the price we pay

buckeye (Diary) Tuesday, April 21st at 9:27PM EST (link)

for throwing Scooter under the bus, thinking that would make it all go away.

“Honor is self-esteem made visible in action.” – Ayn Rand, West Point, 1974

 

I hope all the people who voted for Bob Barr

streiff (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 9:19AM EST (link)

“out of principle” are really, really happy with this.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

Not only those who voted for Barr, but those who

janis (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 9:26AM EST (link)

stayed home and didn’t vote for McCain because of their principles.
And now we all get to watch this unholy spectacle of condemnation of those who actually did the hard work to protect this country–the ones, as it were, who stood on THEIR PRINCIPLE OF DEFENDING THIS COUNTRY.

By extension of your argument-if challengers

redware Wednesday, April 22nd at 10:10AM EST (link)

to an incumbent RINO like Specter or McCain win their primaries,only to go down to defeat in the general,should we direct our anger against those conservatives who voted out of principle rather than pragmatism.If we listen to the pros Toomey and Simcox have little to no chance of winning against a Democrat in these races,so should conservatives vote for the incumbent in the primaries to insure an even more liberal doesn’t win the seat?

no redaware...primaries are a different animal...

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 10:20AM EST (link)

the point is that once the primary is over…you need to be a good soldier and vote for the party that most closely matches your principles while at the same time preventing a communist from gaining power.

Some third party candidate may match better with your principles but if he can’t beat the other two candidates it is pointless to support him at that point. Unless the point is to syphon off votes from the guy who is the next best match and actually had a chance of winning.

Life is incremental…sweeping broad change is not the norm.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 

If the primary challenger has no money, no organization,

Achance (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 10:26AM EST (link)

and no chance to win the general, it is a wasted vote and a vote for the other Party in the general.

The real problem with RINOs is the lack of party discipline. Several of these people could not get elected at all were they more conservative. As much as I don’t like Snarlin’ Arlen, I don’t think Toomey has a snowball’s chance in Hell in the general. That said, the caucus should require a member to vote with the caucus on all procedural votes and budget votes and leave members free to vote their conscience or constituency on substantive votes. If a member fails or refuses to vote with the caucus, s/he is disciplined up to and including expulsion from the caucus.

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 

Ahh Streiff...but they are the *real* patriots....

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 9:37AM EST (link)

Just like nyukid…they all believe that *we* are the ones that failed to protect the Constitution….heck nyukid blamed me and Moe specifically.

I think they are childish idiots myself.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 

Putting the quotation marks around the phrase

redware Wednesday, April 22nd at 9:58AM EST (link)

out of principle makes it appear that you doubt the sincerity of these voters.I am sure those conservatives who either voted for Barr or stayed home did so because in good conscience they could not vote for a RINO like McCain.I wound up voting for him only after he selected Palin,and even then I hated myself for doing it.I think your anger is misplaced.We conservatives couldn’t unite behind one candidate as an alternative to McCain and so he won.We could be angry at ourselves,at a pseudo-conservative like Huckabee,a flip-flopper like Romney,or an apathetic campaigner like Fred Thompson.I prefer to direct my anger where it truly belongs-at the left wing lunatics whose desire for revenge trumps the security of our nation.

The "principle" they voted for was stupidity.

Achance (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 10:03AM EST (link)

Whatever one thinks of McCain, a vote for anyone other than McCain was a vote for an open, obvious, and avowed Communist; wasn’t a hard decision for me, and I don’t like either McCain or Palin.

In Vino Veritas

Amen! I never liked McCain and knew he would take my state,

papalee Sunday, April 26th at 9:04PM EST (link)

but I voted for him precisely because of the argument which you stated.

 
 

I do doubt it

streiff (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 10:35AM EST (link)

I think people who did that were either idiots or buffoons, if not both.

And trust me, I have enough loathing and anger to go around on this count.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

 

What Achance said and especially what Streiff said. nt

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 10:48AM EST (link)