In an interview, while flying with President Obama on board Air Force One, the New York Times hits one of Obama’s raw nerves.
The “edited transcript” [the Times admits questions have been paraphrased, and some responses have been condensed], published by the Times shows that nearly a quarter of the 35-minute interview was taken up by a debate about whether Obama is a socialist.
The Times asked Obama whether he is a socialists in the fifth question:
Q. The first six weeks have given people a glimpse of your spending priorities. Are you a socialist as some people have suggested?
A. You know, let’s take a look at the budget – the answer would be no.
Obama’s answer is very hard to accept for anyone who has actually looked at his $4 trillion tax and borrow budget [yo can read Obama's budget overview here], which contains a $693 billion partial down payment for Obama’s so-called “health care reform,” and a trillion-dollar tax increase that is not nearly enough to pay for Obama’s vision of having the government do everything.
The New York Times couldn’t accept Obama’s answer either. The reporters wondered what would be wrong with saying yes:
Q. Is there anything wrong with saying yes?
A. Let’s just take a look at what we’ve done. We’ve essentially said that, number one, we’re going to reduce non-defense discretionary spending to the lowest levels in decades. So that part of the budget that doesn’t include entitlements and doesn’t include defense – that we have the most control over – we’re actually setting on a downward trajectory in terms of percentage of G.D.P. So we’re making more tough choices in terms of eliminating programs and cutting back on spending than any administration has done in a very long time. We’re making some very tough choices.
What we have done is in a couple of critical areas that we have put off action for a very long time, decided that now is the time to ask. One is on health care. As you heard in the health care summit yesterday, there is uniform belief that the status quo is broken and if we don’t do anything, we will be in a much worse place, both fiscally as well as in terms of what’s happening to families and businesses than if we did something.
The second area is on energy, which we’ve been talking about for decades. Now, in each of those cases, what we’ve said is, on our watch, we’re going to solve problems that have weakened this economy for a generation. And it’s going to be hard and it’s going to require some costs. But if you look on the revenue side what we’re proposing, what we’re looking at is essentially to go back to the tax rates that existed during the 1990s when, as I recall, rich people were doing very well. In fact everybody was doing very well. We have proposed a cap and trade system, which could create some additional costs, but the vast majority of that we want to give back in the form of tax breaks to the 95 percent of working families.
So if you look at our budget, what you have is a very disciplined, fiscally responsible budget, along with an effort to deal with some very serious problems that have been put off for a very long time. And that I think is exactly what I proposed during the campaign. We are following through on every commitment that we’ve made, and that’s what I think is ultimately going to get our economy back on track.
Just words propaganda. During the campaign, at the April 14, 2008 debate with Hillary, Obama said he believes in the principle that you pay as you go and it would be “irresponsible” take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children and our grandchildren. But, with his so-called stimulus and his national debt busting budget, Obama is well on his way to maxing out our Chinese Credit card.
The Times reporters tried again:
Q. So to people who suggested that you are more liberal than you suggested on the campaign, you say, what?
A. I think it would be hard to argue, Jeff. We have delivered on every promise that we’ve made so far. We said that we would end the war in Iraq and we’ve put forward a responsible plan.
Not every promise. What about transparency? According to the PolitiFact Obameter, of his more than 500 campaign promises, Obama has kept 16, compromised 7, broken 2, stalled on 2, has 38 in the works and has taken no action on 446.
The Times reporters tried again:
Q. In terms of spending.
A. Oh, in terms of spending. Well, if you look at spending, what we said during the campaign was, is that we were going to raise taxes on the top five percent. That’s what our budget does. We said that we’d give a tax cut to 95 percent of working Americans. That’s exactly what we have done. That’s the right thing to do. It provides relief to families that basically saw no growth in wages and incomes over the last decade. It asks for a little bit more for people like myself who benefited greatly over the last decade and took a disproportionate share of a growing economy. I actually don’t think that anybody who examines our budget can come away with the conclusion that somehow this is a – that this is in any way different than what we proposed during the campaign.
But more to the point, it is what’s needed in order to put this economy on a more stable footing. One of the problems that we’ve had is that we have put off big problems again and again and again and again. And as I’ve said in my speech to the joint session of Congress, at some point there is a day of reckoning. Well, that day of reckoning has come.
What I’m refusing to do and what I’ve instructed my staff that we will not do is to try to kick the can down the road, to try to paper over problems, try to use gimmicks on budgets, try to pretend that health care is not an issue, to continue with a situation where we are exporting – importing – more and more oil from the middle east, continuing with a situation in which average working families are seeing their wages flat line. At some point, we’ve got to take on these problems.
More propaganda.
The Times reporters try one more time, but Obama has had enough:
Q. Is there one word name for your philosophy? If you’re not a socialist, are you a liberal? Are you progressive? One word?
A. No, I’m not going to engage in that.
Later, Obama is so worried about the socialist charge that he called the times so he could call President Bush a socialist:
At 2:30 p.m., President Obama called The New
York Times, saying he wanted to clarify a point from the interview.
Here is a transcript of that brief call:President Obama: Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter. It was hard for me to believe that you were entirely serious about that socialist question. I did think it might be useful to point out that it wasn’t under me that we started buying a bunch of shares of banks. It wasn’t on my watch. And it wasn’t on my watch that we passed a massive new entitlement – the prescription drug plan without a source of funding. And so I think it’s important just to note when you start hearing folks through [sic] these words around that we’ve actually been operating in a way that has been entirely consistent with free-market principles and that some of the same folks who are throwing the word socialist around can’t say the same.
Q. So who’s watch are we talking about here?
A. Well, I just think it’s clear by the time we got here, there already had been an enormous infusion of taxpayer money into the financial system. And the thing I constantly try to emphasize to people if that coming in, the market was doing fine, nobody would be happier than me to stay out of it. I have more than enough to do without having to worry the financial system. The fact that we’ve had to take these extraordinary measures and intervene is not an indication of my ideological preference, but an indication of the degree to which lax regulation and extravagant risk taking has precipitated a crisis.
I think that covers it.
In the end, when Obama can’t adequately cover his socialist tendencies, he does what Democrats have done for eight years — bash Bush. Did Obama forget about the plot to demonize Limbaugh? Maybe, because the Democrats’ failed plot has nearly doubled Limbaugh’s audience, Obama figured that distraction tactic wasn’t working so well and decided Bush bashing was more effective.
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The dude is a master at ignoring Liberal Democrat involvement in everything.
USNJIMRET (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 2:53PM EST (link)Constantly acting as if every single ‘bad’ thing that has happened over the eight years before he assumed the mantle, was at the specific direction and personally approved by Bush.
Just amazing.
The way I read that shows...
TNJim (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 5:58PM EST (link)…that he once again is trying to have it both ways. Of course, anyone can see here that he’s confirming the Times’ reporter’s question by trying to spin a denial. I would have loved to have seen the expression on Obama’s face as he answered these questions, because we’ve seen before that he jst doesn’t like the hard questions, or those that hit too close to his true ambitions.
Yes, USNJIMRET, I would love to see the true demons of the downturn in the economy brought forth to testify, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, ACORN,s lawsuit of Citicorp to force them into granting mortgages to those who could not pay them back. It’s a long list, perhaps too long and certainly too many friends on there for Obama to tackle, so let’s just blame Bush.
And oh yeah, that line in his speech about Not believing in Big Government.
USNJIMRET (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 2:56PM EST (link)Just makes you wonder what the hell he thinks Big Government is, if not the monstrosity he has outlined so far.
Both Ways Barry
paulincolo (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 3:23PM EST (link)Ford: What’s with the whole two-head thing?
Zaphod: Oh, yeah, apparently you can’t be president with a whole brain.
-Hitchhikers Guide
So whats this going to cost investors
djemi (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 2:58PM EST (link)given what Moe said over here
http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/07/white-house-obama-too-overwhelmed-to-do-his-job/
Are we looking at a record on Monday or what?
Good read by the way Dan.
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And this
djemi (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 3:02PM EST (link)http://www.redstate.com/praying/2009/03/08/forget-socialsim-say-hello-to-communism/
“If I can’t shoot rabbits,then I can’t shoot fascist”
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He gets defensive? ....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 3:03PM EST (link)Ever get the notion that The One was picked on like a little nerd in school and is out to “show” those bullies, because really that tool is so thin skinned you wouldn’t even need an airport scanner to see through him!
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Nope. I WAS the little nerd at school who got picked on
The_Gadfly (Diary) Monday, March 9th at 12:17PM EST (link)When you are that sort of person, you learn to:
1) NEVER needlessly antagonize anyone.
2) When in doubt as to what to do, see rule #1.
3) If you are confronting an enemy, quickly asses hiss strengths and weaknesses.
4) When necessary, you strike quickly and decisively using your strengths against his weaknesses to not only disable your attacker for the moment, but prevent future attacks.
I don’t see that Obama has actually learned any of these rules, although he seems to be of the opinion that he is a master of 3 and 4.
No, Obama has always struck me as more the Malfoy Draco type: The popular leader of a band of thuggish friends who lean on or pulp his perceived enemies for him.
How long?
jana Sunday, March 8th at 3:04PM EST (link)How long will the “blame Bush” schtick work? It’s really getting old.
So far as I’m concerned he purchased full ownership of the economy when he pushed through his trillion dollar “stimulus” package, then sealed the deal even further by submitting his “disciplined” budget that proposes trillions dollars of new spending.
The fact that the market tanks every time he opens his pie-hole certainly can’t be Bush’s fault.
When people open their 401k statements, should be here,sorry
djemi (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 3:19PM EST (link)I believe that this crisis may turn Americans into savers instead of spenders, as for the stock market I thinkit’s going to get alot worse before it gets better, as I understand it comsumer credit lags as an economic indicator and it is only now that there are starting to tighten their belts and the stock market look forward to earning, so things can only get worse. Add to that the fact that starting wagers are down, poeple are steering down the sights of higher prices with this Cap and Trade c.r.a.p, and money is getting more expensive poeple will naturally become more fiscially concervitive and spend less money.
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People I know say they don't even bother opening the 401K statements anymore nt
Xasteius (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 4:00PM EST (link)Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
not surprising...
jana Sunday, March 8th at 7:09PM EST (link)Why *should* they open them? They know they’ll just be sad if they do…
If anyone else were president
Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 7:12PM EST (link)that would be a buy signal.
Molon Labe!
re: savers v spenders
David Hinz (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 6:37PM EST (link)where exactly are these Americans going to save their money? Or more specifically where are they going to put this saved money. They sure as heck won’t want to put that money into the market — not even into a 401k.
Banks look iffy when the FDIC is going broke and the government has to float them loans to guarantee deposits — especially since government backing ain’t what it once was.
Money Markets haven’t looked good in a long time, and government bonds? Uhh, NO!
Gold? Well, gold is only at historical levels so gains there seem questionable.
Looks to me like if people begin saving again, which IS a good idea, they will be putting that money in their matresses or burying it in cans in their backyards.
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It doesn't matter
djemi (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 7:00PM EST (link)their just not going to Spend it, most I’m sure are just trying to pay off as much debt as poss. given the fact that inflation is on its way and wage stagnation is already here.
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Farmland / co-ops in Idaho?
Xasteius (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 8:05PM EST (link)You can’t eat gold.
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
foreign currency? nt
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 8:20PM EST (link)nt
You must be joking.
Steven Willis (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 9:42PM EST (link)Which currency? They are all in worse shape than we are. Until we see a real change in tax structures and less government, no currency is worthwhile.
I like the farmland idea. But guns and gold still sound good to me. Also, do not forget about skills: sewing, plumbing, car repair, wood working – they have value no matter what happens.
“Let it be said, I fought the good fight, I finished the race, I kept the faith.”
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Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 9:50PM EST (link)And as Steve says, skills, the hard-handed kind of skills. I spent most of my working life in a Brooks Bros. suit, but I can still do that “A Country Boy Can Survive” stuff.
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it was a guess, that is why I wrote the ? :)
mom2oneson (Diary) Monday, March 9th at 8:33AM EST (link)I agree with the farms, skills, guns and gold! Apart from being able to sell their service, people with critical skills will always have resources go to them first too becuase society depends on them.
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Let's see, they spent 16 years building up that meme
The_Gadfly (Diary) Monday, March 9th at 12:29PM EST (link)So I’m sure they expect it to be useful for at least the next 4.
Mr. Denial President
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 3:06PM EST (link)Or simply LIAR.
He categorically said that he's not a socialist
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 3:11PM EST (link)but every policy and program that he uttered in his defense was actually socialist in nature and intent.
When people open their 401k statements
djemi (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 3:18PM EST (link)I believe that this crisis may turn Americans into savers instead of spenders, as for the stock market I thinkit’s going to get alot worse before it gets better, as I understand it comsumer credit lags as an economic indicator and it is only now that there are starting to tighten their belts and the stock market look forward to earning, so things can only get worse. Add to that the fact that starting wagers are down, poeple are steering down the sights of higher prices with this Cap and Trade c.r.a.p, and money is getting more expensive poeple will naturally become more fiscially concervitive and spend less money.
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You know,
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Monday, March 9th at 7:08AM EST (link)some people are really seriously thinking of going Galt.
If at least 10% of Americans goes a la John Galt, this will be worse for Obama bear market.
Nah ! No socialism here.
johnt Sunday, March 8th at 3:25PM EST (link)$693 billion down payment,[ down payment?] on government run and ruined to be health care, but no socialism. After all it’s necessary and that makes it different, etc and so on.
No need to go through the rest, he may actually believe it. After all, don’t all smart people think like that.
“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville
ahem, Mr President how is this budget fiscally responsible?
DONTREADONME (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 3:32PM EST (link)4 Trillion? Stop the LIES, you are playing the American people like a bunch of sheep.
“we’re actually setting on a downward trajectory in terms of percentage of G.D.P. So we’re making more tough choices in terms of eliminating programs and cutting back on spending than any administration has done in a very long time. We’re making some very tough choices”
with GDP decreasing and Government budget increasing how is this statement anything other than a lie?
It's that 'estimate' of future GDP.
USNJIMRET (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 3:43PM EST (link)Kind of like how the 2 trillion in savings was figured by NOT continuing the surge in Iraq for 10 more years.
Even when NO ONE was considering it at all.
So if you ‘estimate’ out year GDP at 7% growth, you can have massive increases in government spending, and STILL be less then the raw percent of current GDP.
See, easy.
See, easy...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 6:39PM EST (link)sounds like magic math to me, but I was never good at economics, processes yes but using GDP and GNP to justify, “heh I am being fiscally responsible” with Government spending is quite the shell game.
the same way that we had projected budget surpluses
David Hinz (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 6:46PM EST (link)at the end of the Clinton Administration. The budget projections were for huge income tax and capital gains receipts into the future, even though the economy was headed down, and many of those capital gains were achieved through questionable bookkeeping — Enron, Global Crossing, Worldcom — that were discovered under the Bush Administration.
Those surpluses were only estimates on paper, and never really existed!
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Not to mention that line about "If we don't do something NOW,"
USNJIMRET (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 3:38PM EST (link)it might be far worse later.
Which may, or may not, be accurate.
Just have to wonder how many different things this can be applied to, and how come the ONLY thing that can be done NOW is a MORE massive spending and intrusion program then EVER???
Not just a little bit, but Historic sized spending and government intrusion into American life.
So Bush was a socialist
jetbrane Sunday, March 8th at 4:04PM EST (link)Does that justify Obama being a socialist on steroids.
All because he followed tweeldedum does that give him the license to be tweedlestupid?
Linguistics 101
RedInABleuState (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 4:22PM EST (link)Doesn’t mind “Messiah,” but call him a “Socialist” and he balks.
The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. — Edmund Burke
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds. — Samuel Adams
Messiah v. Socialist
jana Sunday, March 8th at 7:12PM EST (link)Calling him something he’s not makes him happy… Calling him what he is seems to sting….
Me thinks ye doth protest too much
RJD (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 4:49PM EST (link)(I think that’s the quote).
On the one hand, the Times’ reporter might be fired on Monday for badgering the president.
Otherwise, it is possible – if the transcript is at all accurate – that the NY Times was actually trying to promote the idea of socialism, starting by having a sitting American president admit to being a socialist.
Or, times reporter going for scoop:
redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 5:50PM EST (link)Obama tells the truth:
(yes, I am a socialist)
Our President is not a socialist
Right_Again (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 6:04PM EST (link)He will not allow earmarks in any bill he signs. He does not believe in big government. His spending bill will fix the economy. He does not believe in government-run health care. He believes that votes should be private. He will close Guantanamo as soon as he is in office. He will bring our troops home from Iraq within six months of being elected. He will participate in public financing during the election. He will end our dependence on foreign oil.
I don’t know why people have such trouble believing every word he says. If he says it, it must be so.
Change we can believe in.
His followers are a bit touchy about the socialist labels too.
Brian Hibbert (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 6:27PM EST (link)Before I got banned from KOS this morning, I stated that people don’t hate Obama for racist reasons, they hate him because he’s a socialist.
The kids took exception to the socialist label. They asked me why I thought he was a socialist, but my posts got hidden fairly quickly and I doubt if anyone saw the response.
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Jive talk
10ksnooker (Diary) Sunday, March 8th at 9:13PM EST (link)When you figure out jive talking you will know.
The BeeGees wrote the Obama theme song a long time ago … It’s called ‘Jive Talking’, there are some good tracks on youtube.
First lyrics line — “Jive talking, tell me no lies”. Catchy toon …
I predict before long every American will understand.
So we going to rename earmarks, new word for this week only, is that what’s coming? Will the Obamaloons know, or are they waiting for their next speech, outlining all the freebies they are getting — but never seem to show up.
Might want to remember what Vladimir Lenin said … A couple of his more famous quotes:
“Fascism is capitalism in decay.” – Vladimir Lenin
“The goal of socialism is communism.” – Vladimir Lenin
Cult of Personality
Uma Richie (Diary) Monday, March 9th at 7:03AM EST (link)I drove down NY Ave in DC this weekend and saw two huge banners (approximately 25′ X 15′). One said “RESTORE” and the other said “HOPE.” In both, the letter ‘O’ was replaced by the Obama emblem.
Countries with that type of veneration to a politician are usually on the receiving end of American hostility because nothing good can come from a cult of personality.
What a nightmare!
I am buying this bumper sticker
Jack_Savage (Diary) Monday, March 9th at 8:33AM EST (link)It says only “LOL”, with the “O” replaced by the Obama emblem.
I am preparing for an audit after someone sees it.
That would be a big hit.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Monday, March 9th at 8:42AM EST (link)LOL with O showing Obama’s symbol…..
……..an impressive idea.
I like it...
Uma Richie (Diary) Monday, March 9th at 9:46AM EST (link)..and one for Obama voters:
REMORSE with the O replaced by the Obama emblem.