For DNC, it’s non-essential.

And surely if there were no problem with the place of his birth he would provide the evidence.

We have our answer, and should Obama ACORN his way to an electoral victory, the nastiness that will be seen from challenges to his legitimacy after he takes the Oath will be dangerous.

And after Gore set the precedent by taking back his concession to Bush in the 2000 campaign due to Florida, and the selected not elected/bush lied era we are in, the Dems will have to ground to stand on.

That’s it? Three weeks before the election and that’s all you can come up with? No wonder the Republicans are staring at an extended period in the wilderness. Weak.

it’s a certificate of naturalization, which unfortunately for me means I’m constitutionally ineligible for the presidency. That ineligibility does burn me up a bit. I’ve lived in these United States since I was a child, and have been a citizen since I was a teenager. I’ve served honorably as an infantryman in the Army, paid my taxes, served on a federal jury, I adhere to laws in much the same way as others, but since my birthplace is Prague Czech Republic rather than Prague Oklahoma I can’t even throw my hat in the ring. Well enough of that rant.

Daniel P. Tokaji, an election law expert at Ohio State University, agreed. “It is awfully unlikely that a federal court would say that an individual voter has standing,” he said. “It is questionable whether anyone would have standing to raise that claim. You’d have to think a federal court would look for every possible way to avoid deciding the issue.”

This quote is from a McCain article

I bet the same is true here. They are going to let it ride.

I think this inquiry serves the purpose of reinforcing the notion that Obama is a shady shadowy figure that has lied his way to the top.

But I think trying to derail his candidacy on a technicality is dangerous. the public will revolt against the Republicans if they are too hevay handed here.

The One’s arrogance, that is.

This film speaks for itself. The glaring point to me is that this fits perfectly with the Obama record. Hoping to get over on the American people on a technicality.

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I’m so glad this is a major issue, well maybe not, especially as I watch my retirement savings evaporate in the financial melt down.

Why this is such an important issue that Senator McCain should not campaign on the real differences between conservatism and liberalism and just focus on these sorts of important issues….Ya that’s the ticket to the winning the White house.

Previous lawsuits filed by Philip Berg include one against President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, claiming they knew beforehand of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and one against three U.S. Supreme Court justices to disbar themselves for deciding Bush won the 2000 presidential election against Al Gore.

And this was the first link:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

There’s a photocopy of his birth certificate in the article.

Where’s my front page?
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/raven/2008/aug/25/interesting-bombshell/

If that is is true legal and certified birth certificate, why not be done with all this and give it to the court, as Dan suggested?

What about his passport? Did he even have one before entering the Senate? The State department (should) will not issue a passport w/o a certified birth certificate… I could get one… millions of people getting passports for the first time do… why not Obama?

Makes you go Hmmmmm…

It’s too late in the election cycle for something like this. People are already early-voting and a blanket disqualification like a lack of citizenship should have come out very early in the campaign. I am afraid that people will instead see this is a smear and associate it with the McCain camp.

This is a poor issue to bring up. It is only going to make Republicans look stupid and petty.

McCain’s case was less certain. He was not born inside the US. But the opinion of lawyers on both sides was that the constitution means a citizen from birth and does not mean you have to be born inside the US.

To win this argument it is not simply a matter of proving that Obama was born outside the US. That would also disqualify McCain and put us in quite a pickle. You would also have to prove that his mother was not a US citizen.

Just drop it.

I say this not because the underlying issue may be completely devoid of merit, but, tactically, it’s a non-starter.

Let us imagine a theoretical voter out there. A voter who is somewhat inclined to vote for Obama who hears this message and says “whoa there, waitaminit!” and decides to vote McCain instead based on THIS piece of information.

Can you do that? Because I cannot.

I can imagine voters on the fence who could be swayed due to 2nd Amendment issues.

I can imagine voters on the fence who could be swayed due to economy issues.

I can imagine voters on the fence who could be swayed due to law/order issues.

I can can imagine voters on the fence who could be swayed due to culture war issues.

I can not, for the life of me, imagine a single voter on the fence who, upon hearing this information, would say “yeah, I guess I’m going to vote for the other guy instead.”

Not even one.

I can’t believe that this drivel is on this web site, much less the front page. This is not the stuff with which elections are won and lost. Berg is a nutter. Can we talk about something a little more constructive please?

The One is beyond citizenship.

Obama’s campaign isnt hiding anything.

Obama’s proof of citizenship is right here.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/borninthe_usa.html

You ask for proof — and proof is given!

Obama is running to be president and McCain is trying to save are country Obama has changed his web site at lest 3 time that I have seen. he will say what ever he needs, to get in power. anyone that has half a brain should see this.what that says about are country remains.

There has to be a reason Obama does not want to produce his birth certificate to the court. Berg, the attorney who is suing Obama feels it is a forgerry and that Obama is using the birth certificate of his sister. Many people believe the BC Obaama has on his website is authentic because it was validated by factcheck.org, however the blogger TexasDarlin has written an excellent expose about factcheck.org. In her research, Texas Darlin has uncovered that FactCheck.org is owned by The Annenberg Foundation. Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a Division of the Annenberg Foundation that Bill Ayers was instrumental in founding. And they are mostlikely also linked to ACORN! To read her informative blog, go to this link [TexasDralin http://clintondems.com/2008/08/obamas-connections-to-factcheckorg-exposed-by-texas-darlin/]

The law that applies here is the one in place when he was born:

Don’t believe me, asks a legal law expert. Already done and linked here:

http://immigration-law.justanswer.com/questions/1cooa-person-born-august-4

1. Hawaii became a state in 1959. A child born on American soil automatically gets U.S. citizenship, UNLESS the child is born to a foreign government official who is in the United States as a recognized diplomat.

2. Persons born between 12/24/52 and 11/13/86 – If one parent was a US citizen and resided in the US for at least ten years, at least five of which were after age 16, you are a citizen.

On the first point, Obama’s father was a Kenyan government official. If he was in the US on a diplomat visa then OBAMA is NOT American.

Obama’s mother was very young, it is not clear she meets the five year requirement.

If he is a citizen, then why on earth would the DNC try to stop a legal challenge by a prominent democrat? Because they know he isn’t.

The only stands Obama has ever taken on anything in his life are those that involve hiding his past–his birth, College, Law school, sponsors for college, Illinois senate activities, Ayers, ACORN, everything. Only a fool would continue to turn a blind eye to this fake. I, for one, am not fooled. The fact that the Democrats and media will is a measure of their deceit.

As a matter of national integrity, it’s imperative that this be sorted out before inauguration.

An unconstitutionally elected President serving in the office would be disastrous on every level. It would destroy confidence in the American system of government that it could be allowed to happen. It would destroy his standing among the leaders of the world if he was an “illegal” ruler.

Not to mention the question of what would happen? Would he be immediately impeached and forced to resign? With the economy in turmoil now, something like this has the potential to be crippling. And that’s not doom-and-gloom.

Some 527 needs to join this to see that it’s verified before the election. Not to try to ban him from office, but to head off catastrophe if he gets into office illegally.

We all know what liberals think about rules. They only support the rules when they reinforce their arbitrary sense of fairness. When the rules don’t, then it’s time to change the rules so that their feelings of fairness prevail. It is the same thing here.

I think the guy bringing the lawsuit is a wacko, but Obama could have nipped this in the bud by showing the court his birth certificate. I mean all he had to do was spend $15 to overnight it to the judge and get this thrown out. Instead he spends a few K in legal fees drafting up legal motions. I mean the HRC went back and found essays he wrote in Kindergarten, I think if he was born in Kenya they would know it. Its odd for Obama to let this fester.

I was about to brush this off as conspiracy theorist nonsense… until I did a little homework.

In a normal campaign, there’s no way this guy should be able to wave these questions away:

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm

Attorney Philip J. Berg’s case against Barack Obama, et al., has been given all the attention it may deserve in attorney Kevin Underhill’s legal humor weblog under the category “Fool for a Client”, which is a term commonly used to describe attorneys who represent themselves in litigation.

If you look at either Obama’s birth certificate or certificate of live birth, they put down father’s race as African. African is not a race it’s a nationality! Back in the early 60.s Obama’s race would have been put down as negro or negroid, not African. There are so many things wrong with his BC and COLB that it is ridiculous. If it was legitimate, Obama would have no reason NOT TO PRESENT IT TO THE COURT!

According to the constitution, just being born on American soil does not make you an American citizen unless other criteria is met. Obama’s mother was under 19 when he was born (she was 18 and unmarried at the time)and his father was not a US citizen. That means that even if he was born in Hawaii, he would not be a US citizen.

They will try to delay any legal actions on this until after the Election. Wish everyone would do some research and post a blog. Believe Obama’s past has been hidden for years – think he was groomed, mentored and trained for the Presidential Election.

I believe the election will come down to a man’s character and reputation – thus far Obama’s about a minus 10. As Always, Annie

is the proper response to this suit IF the facts and/or law are on your side. I’ve been a criminal prosecutor for 21+ years but I still remember enough of my civil procedure (2nd highest grade in my class) to know that the way to stop Berg’s suit dead in it’s tracks is to produce the birth certificate (an official, certified copy from the State of Hawaii) along with a motion for summary judgment. The criminal analogue would be for the defendant charged with murder to produce the alleged victim alive or for the alleged car thief to produce a valid title in his name. Any other move is trying to get off on a technicality. Now, I’m not a conspiracy theorist (I don’t see black helicopters) but it seems to me that The One and his cronies have more than enough money on hand to put a courier on a plane to Hawaii with directions to bring back the certificate and plenty of lawyers who know how to write a motion for summary judgment. That they haven’t done so makes me think Berg may just be a blind pig (who found an ACORN?).

If you have the facts, pound the facts. If you have the law, pound the law. If you don’t have either, pound the table.

Of course, all of the above plus $3.50 may only get you a latte. Oh well.

The plaintiff didn’t just ask Obama to produce a birth certificate. He served requests for seventeen categories of documents, including copies of Obama’s college and law school applications, requests for financial aid, college and law school papers, and “a copy of your entire presidential file pertaining to being vetted,” whatever that means. Of the DNC, he requested five categories of documents, including all documents relating to Obama. He also served 83 requests for admission. All of these things are a major pain in the ass to answer, and it seems clear that few of them relate to whether Obama is constitutionally qualified to be president.

Moreover, the motion is merely to stay the request until after the court rules on the motion to dismiss, which is entirely proper. The motion to dismiss argues that the lawsuit cannot proceed in federal court, just as McCain’s did in his lawsuit. If granted, there is no need for any discovery, as the case will already have been resolved.

Litigation is frequently abused and used to launch fishing expeditions, hoping to find an embarrassing document among the opponent’s records. It’s entirely normal for Obama and the DNC to resist this.

because it would just make the republicans look silly. Still, I think this would have had no traction at all if Obama had been more open with his paperwork from college, etc. His secrecy makes people suspicious. Even though the suit asks for a lot of paperwork, providing the vault copy of the bc would have shut a lot of people up. I can’t imagine that they wouldn’t want this to go away since even ridiculous notions may go viral. In this very interesting election, it makes a interesting sideshow.