This election cycle, the public has become aware of the existence of an alt-right and even, to a lesser extent, an alt-left. Now comes a brand new alternative from the mouth of Kellyanne Conway.

Meet the Press’s Chuck Todd presses her on the question why President Trump had press secretary Sean Spicer blatantly lie about the size of the crowds at the inauguration. (Spicer has even inspired a new meme.)

Conway’s response is simultaneously hilarious and terrifying. Check it out:

One thing you certainly can say: the next four years will be interesting ones…