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	<title>Comments on: The American public discovers that (gasp) Obama is a LIBERAL</title>
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		<title>By: Alitheia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alitheia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to legalize marijuana, build a real border, and send in our very best soldiers. The drug cartels are not a joke, and it will take real firepower to shut them down once the loss of 70% of their revenue drives them to desperation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to legalize marijuana, build a real border, and send in our very best soldiers. The drug cartels are not a joke, and it will take real firepower to shut them down once the loss of 70% of their revenue drives them to desperation.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Holliday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Holliday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hae seen maybe one anti-Obama sticker on a car since the election.  I probably see 40 Obama stickers a day on the road.  This has nothing to do with where I live, we have lots of Republicans and there were lots of McCain stickers during the election.

I am adding a Gadsen Flag, &quot;Don&#039;t Tread on Me&quot; sticker to my car.  I think anti-Obama is not exactly what I want.  I want to support liberty and show there is a threat out there.  We as conservatives need to stop censoring ourselves in public.  The average jill will just assume everyone is hunky dory with Obamanania.  BTW, I even see the Obama stickers on military bases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hae seen maybe one anti-Obama sticker on a car since the election.  I probably see 40 Obama stickers a day on the road.  This has nothing to do with where I live, we have lots of Republicans and there were lots of McCain stickers during the election.</p>
<p>I am adding a Gadsen Flag, &#8220;Don&#8217;t Tread on Me&#8221; sticker to my car.  I think anti-Obama is not exactly what I want.  I want to support liberty and show there is a threat out there.  We as conservatives need to stop censoring ourselves in public.  The average jill will just assume everyone is hunky dory with Obamanania.  BTW, I even see the Obama stickers on military bases.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Holliday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Holliday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and the nutroots will simply attack the American Legion as a right wing organization, they have done it before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the nutroots will simply attack the American Legion as a right wing organization, they have done it before.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Solomon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, what on earth did I start here ?  Was a bit hard to follow for a while, but Mike, I think Brooks Robinson was better defensively than Chipper.  ;)

Alitheia:  &lt;i&gt;We don’t have time to fight each other; we have real enemies in the world.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s a good one.  I like it.  Thing is, with many actual occurrences here in the good ol&#039; USA, some of those enemies are from within (and I could care less about their party affiliation).  That&#039;s where a big portion of our problems lie.  Those amongst us who are actively trying to subvert the freedoms, liberties and rights that afford you and everyone the ability to voice opinions.

Those folks are enemies of all of us.... Conservatives, Liberals, Republicans and Democrats who genuinely do love the country, but see things in different ways.

I&#039;m pretty sure Americans are not actually fighting each other yet.  The discussions are getting much louder, much more derisive and much more divisive, making it all that much more serious. 

Unfortunately, I think the fighting is coming though at some level.  My prediction is that whatever is going to happen will start at the border states and the real invasion that is underway from Mexico.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, what on earth did I start here ?  Was a bit hard to follow for a while, but Mike, I think Brooks Robinson was better defensively than Chipper.  <img src='http://www.redstate.com/bs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Alitheia:  <i>We don’t have time to fight each other; we have real enemies in the world.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good one.  I like it.  Thing is, with many actual occurrences here in the good ol&#8217; USA, some of those enemies are from within (and I could care less about their party affiliation).  That&#8217;s where a big portion of our problems lie.  Those amongst us who are actively trying to subvert the freedoms, liberties and rights that afford you and everyone the ability to voice opinions.</p>
<p>Those folks are enemies of all of us&#8230;. Conservatives, Liberals, Republicans and Democrats who genuinely do love the country, but see things in different ways.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure Americans are not actually fighting each other yet.  The discussions are getting much louder, much more derisive and much more divisive, making it all that much more serious. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I think the fighting is coming though at some level.  My prediction is that whatever is going to happen will start at the border states and the real invasion that is underway from Mexico.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alitheia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alitheia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The future ones, not so much.</description>
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		<title>By: Alitheia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alitheia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vegas_Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vegas_Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the exponential growth of our debt. But I think the consequences were completely predictable.</description>
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		<title>By: JLenardDetroit</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLenardDetroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for a musical interlude inspired by one of the Usernames....

&lt;object width=&quot;425&quot; height=&quot;344&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;movie&quot; value=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/SxKug2SD_-0&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowFullScreen&quot; value=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowscriptaccess&quot; value=&quot;always&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/SxKug2SD_-0&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&quot; type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash&quot; allowscriptaccess=&quot;always&quot; allowfullscreen=&quot;true&quot; width=&quot;425&quot; height=&quot;344&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;

... we now return you to your bickering ;-) &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/engel/a025.gif&quot; height=&quot;25&quot; width=&quot;20&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for a musical interlude inspired by one of the Usernames&#8230;.</p>
<p><object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/SxKug2SD_-0&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/SxKug2SD_-0&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object></p>
<p>&#8230; we now return you to your bickering <img src='http://www.redstate.com/bs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src="http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/engel/a025.gif" height="25" width="20"/></p>
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		<title>By: Alitheia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alitheia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who would do that is, in fact, an idiot.</description>
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		<title>By: Alitheia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alitheia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exponential growth means that not only does our debt increase constantly, but that the rate of increase increases constantly. This has unpredictable consequences, none of which are good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exponential growth means that not only does our debt increase constantly, but that the rate of increase increases constantly. This has unpredictable consequences, none of which are good.</p>
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		<title>By: JLenardDetroit</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLenardDetroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correct Brother GC.... the more lame the Lefty thoughts here the easier to provide good feedback and perhaps turn a casual observer or two around (not gonna convert the insane). We want the casual middle-of-the-road voter to see the lefty-loons of the JackAss Party provide their non-sense (knee-jerk &quot;Feel good, but no substance or &#039;Solutions&#039;&quot;) here to be viewed and know they are countered by actual reasoned-thought!!!! Easy to see reasons not to pull that JackAss lever, because of the Lefty-loon concepts it/they represent as demonstrated by some of those insane folks right here on RS (let alone seeing any of their nonsense at DailyKook or HuffPoo)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correct Brother GC&#8230;. the more lame the Lefty thoughts here the easier to provide good feedback and perhaps turn a casual observer or two around (not gonna convert the insane). We want the casual middle-of-the-road voter to see the lefty-loons of the JackAss Party provide their non-sense (knee-jerk &#8220;Feel good, but no substance or &#8216;Solutions&#8217;&#8221;) here to be viewed and know they are countered by actual reasoned-thought!!!! Easy to see reasons not to pull that JackAss lever, because of the Lefty-loon concepts it/they represent as demonstrated by some of those insane folks right here on RS (let alone seeing any of their nonsense at DailyKook or HuffPoo)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: randy streu</title>
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		<dc:creator>randy streu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A moby is a person who comes into a Conservative website, pretending to be a Conservative, and presenting a characature based on what they (liberals) THINK a conservative is like.  Generally, they do this either thinking they can &quot;prove&quot; we actually are how they believe we are, or else trick us into giving something away.

In other words, they are idiots.

I don&#039;t think you&#039;re an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A moby is a person who comes into a Conservative website, pretending to be a Conservative, and presenting a characature based on what they (liberals) THINK a conservative is like.  Generally, they do this either thinking they can &#8220;prove&#8221; we actually are how they believe we are, or else trick us into giving something away.</p>
<p>In other words, they are idiots.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Vegas_Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vegas_Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are suggesting that the socialist tide in this country cannot be turned back? Should we quit trying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are suggesting that the socialist tide in this country cannot be turned back? Should we quit trying?</p>
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		<title>By: Alitheia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alitheia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alitheia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alitheia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is how competent civilizations deal with moral, philosophical, and political divergences.

We have real enemies, and we must all hang together, or we will all hang separately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is how competent civilizations deal with moral, philosophical, and political divergences.</p>
<p>We have real enemies, and we must all hang together, or we will all hang separately.</p>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
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		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alitheia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alitheia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once we started competing with the world&#039;s desperate poor for our jobs, irrevocable changes were made. What we are seeing here is merely the first major consequence of this irreducible stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once we started competing with the world&#8217;s desperate poor for our jobs, irrevocable changes were made. What we are seeing here is merely the first major consequence of this irreducible stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the liberal gets mugged by reality sooner than later and becomes a conservative with good intentions that actually wants results via policies that work, i.e. conservative ones.

You may not know: I am at war with the culture that has developed here that seeks to shut down debate with libs via troll/moby labels. It seems many here come here only to seek out these people and hector about until they are banned.

I see them as opportunities to refute lib arguments and actually persuade on lookers.

I am especially repulsed at those that make analogies of words on a screen with &quot;peeing&quot; on the carpet, since actual pee smells bad and has to be cleaned up in reality.

One can always ignore one they deem unworthy of relies.

It is always an option to &quot;deal&quot; with words on a screen with walking away.

I simply have never understood this whole troll obsession. It strikes me as a wennie, coward activity engaged in by people that may have been bullied as a child and finally get to act tough. I am not accusing anyone in particular of this, but simply am at a loss to understand the culture here.

It could be that I am just ignorant. But after 5 years of blogging, I doubt it. I suspect that i may have something to teach, rather than learn on this matter.

You see, I have been in the persuasion business for 20+ years and have won jury trials I was told were impossible and won over voters for candidates thru debates.

I live to actually win, not have some oink glow of satisfaction at arbitrary orders in my house.

now, I rest

 I love you brother. You are one of the best here. But I am just being honest.

I also reject not just the bandwidth argument, but also the &quot;credibility&quot; argument, which ends up allowing regulars to be uncivil via a rule meant to impose civility. I admit I have been uncivil in the past as well. 

later bro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the liberal gets mugged by reality sooner than later and becomes a conservative with good intentions that actually wants results via policies that work, i.e. conservative ones.</p>
<p>You may not know: I am at war with the culture that has developed here that seeks to shut down debate with libs via troll/moby labels. It seems many here come here only to seek out these people and hector about until they are banned.</p>
<p>I see them as opportunities to refute lib arguments and actually persuade on lookers.</p>
<p>I am especially repulsed at those that make analogies of words on a screen with &#8220;peeing&#8221; on the carpet, since actual pee smells bad and has to be cleaned up in reality.</p>
<p>One can always ignore one they deem unworthy of relies.</p>
<p>It is always an option to &#8220;deal&#8221; with words on a screen with walking away.</p>
<p>I simply have never understood this whole troll obsession. It strikes me as a wennie, coward activity engaged in by people that may have been bullied as a child and finally get to act tough. I am not accusing anyone in particular of this, but simply am at a loss to understand the culture here.</p>
<p>It could be that I am just ignorant. But after 5 years of blogging, I doubt it. I suspect that i may have something to teach, rather than learn on this matter.</p>
<p>You see, I have been in the persuasion business for 20+ years and have won jury trials I was told were impossible and won over voters for candidates thru debates.</p>
<p>I live to actually win, not have some oink glow of satisfaction at arbitrary orders in my house.</p>
<p>now, I rest</p>
<p> I love you brother. You are one of the best here. But I am just being honest.</p>
<p>I also reject not just the bandwidth argument, but also the &#8220;credibility&#8221; argument, which ends up allowing regulars to be uncivil via a rule meant to impose civility. I admit I have been uncivil in the past as well. </p>
<p>later bro</p>
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