Judd Gregg, Kent Conrad Push Massive Tax Increases in Lame Duck Session


Cross-posted from Liberty Central.

Obviously, balancing the federal budget is a worthy goal – an extremely important one, in fact. Congress has massively increased spending, to the point that the United States is projected to run inordinately high deficits for years to come. The problem is one of historic proportions. It would be a welcome change if this Congress were to consider a package of spending cuts before the election, designed to restore the nation’s long-term fiscal balance.

But Congressional leaders and the White House recognize that it might be unpopular to push for spending cuts or tax increases before an election. They are deeply worried about the political impact of a controversial vote – one that might lead to catastrophic losses for the majority party. So rather than doing something gutsy, they are shifting responsibility to an unelected commission, and deferring a vote until a lame duck session of Congress:

Senate Budget Chairman Kent Conrad says a legislative session after the Nov. 2 election and before the new Congress is sworn in could be “one of the most significant lame-duck sessions in the history of the United States.”

In an interview with CongressDaily, Conrad referred specifically to the prospect of votes on the recommendations of President Obama’s bipartisan deficit commission, which is due to report on Dec. 1. Conrad, who is on the panel, believes it could help lead the country to a sounder fiscal path.

That sentiment is echoed by Senate Budget ranking member Judd Gregg, also a commission member. Gregg even suggests the lame duck could trump the historic vote on healthcare reform, which he opposed, if the commission’s recommendations are meaningful and Congress embraces them.

The American people are expected to deliver a stinging rebuke to the current leadership on election day. If Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid suddenly become convinced that spending has gotten out of hand, they might take action before election day to change the disastrous course that the nation is on.

One action that should not be taken is to vote on a massive package of tax increases and spending cuts once a new Congress has been elected, but before that new Congress is sworn in. Some reports suggest that the debt commission recommendations could total $100 trillion in new taxing and spending decisions. These decisions should not be decide by an unaccountable body filled with dozens of retiring and defeated Members of Congress. If Congress lacks the will to make difficult decisions before an election, they should leave such decisions to the new Congress to tackle.

And besides the risk of allowing a lame duck Congress to vote on these recommendations with little public debate, a lame duck session would also be an occasion for plenty of other mischief. According to Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, cap and trade could be passed in a lame duck session. And Harry Reid himself is considering votes on amnesty, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and ENDA as well. We need to put an end to plans for a lame duck session.


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Brian

rdelbov Wednesday, July 28th at 12:20PM EST (link)

I personally favor skipping a lame duck session and barring that pass nothing but an interim spending bill—I think its clear that with no budget resolution that very few if any of the spending bills will pass before Congress adjourns for the election.

So this fall we will see an temporary spending bill–I would prefer one for 3-4 months until January but what are the chances of that?

I see no chance that Pelosi/Reid pass on a lame duck session

At this point, short term spending and/or continuing resolutions

The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 12:31PM EST (link)

are almost worse than spending with no budget at all. The only places where they work even a bit are with entitlements and paying off the unions. In some places they are incredibly destructive. If you are working anywhere that new projects are being undertaken as old ones spin down, they cause a lot of damage. The old inefficient programs continue at current levels and the new ones can’t spin up. R&D areas for the military are even worse. Testing is done and there’s no point in spending money where it’s been allocated and you can’t spin up the new project without an authorization.

To clarify,

The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 12:33PM EST (link)

I agree the lame duck session shouldn’t pass major legislation. In fact, I think they should just go home and stop causing more damage to the economy.

That's very true

rdelbov Wednesday, July 28th at 12:40PM EST (link)

most continuing resolutions -at the very least-maintain spending at horribly high levels. Can you see Pelosi passing a temp resolution with spending at 2007-2008 levels?–that would be a 20% plus cut in spending.

I don’t want to count chickens yet but if the GOP makes huge gains in Nov–over 40 in the house –+7 or so in the senate we might not see a spending bill signed until 2013. We could see massive budget/spending gridlock– Mind you that might not be bad.

 

Eliminate Lame Duck Sessions BALM

heritage Thursday, July 29th at 10:23AM EST (link)

My feelings are that members of the House and Senate who get kicked out by their constituents and then use the lame duck session to continue to try to pass legislation that no one wants, should never have a peaceful day once they leave office.

Logically, the possibility of such mischief should be eliminated. If corporate employees can be required to immediately give up their keys, pack their belongings and be escorted out by security, should defeated politicians, who can do infintely more damage, be allowed all the time of a lame duck session? We should demand that changes be made By Any Legal Means necessary to seat the winners immediately.

 
 

JUDD GREGG

tara2009 Friday, July 30th at 4:35PM EST (link)

ARE YOU THE ONE THAT WAS GOING TO BE IN OBAMA’S ADMINISTRATION
AND CHANGED YOUR MIND,COULD IT BE THEY NEEDED YOU MORE
IN THE SENATE THAN IN THE ADMINISTRATION,COURSE ONLY YOU AND OBAMA KNOW THE TRUTH,SO WE WILL NEVER KNOW FOR SURE,
BUT ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS AND YOUR ACTIONS HAVE BEEN PRETTY PECULIAR BEING A REPUBLICAN AND ALL. OBAMA WILL NEVER TELL THE TRUTH,BUT ONE DAY SOON HE WILL,
SO WILL YOU.MEHPENSACOLA,FL

 
 

Seat Warmers

Ned Ryerson (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 1:13PM EST (link)

Don’t the seat warmers have to give up their seats immediately in the Senate? Delaware, Illinois, Colorado, which should all go to the GOP!

Kirk, Kirk, Kirk, Kirk...

paramedichess Wednesday, July 28th at 1:36PM EST (link)

Like him or not, the lame duck session is one reason why IL is a vitally important Senate pick-up in November. Unlike every other new Senator, who will take their seat in January, if Kirk wins he will be sworn in immediately, potentially giving us vote number 42 going into the lame duck session. He’s no Jim DeMint, but IL is no SC either. We need to win IL.

WV also

wingnut43 Wednesday, July 28th at 11:33PM EST (link)

The winner of the special election for Byrd’s seat will presumably take office immediately also. Ditto for Gillibrand’s seat. Isn’t CO also a special election?

 
 
 
 

I dunno. Given Christie's polling,

The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 12:26PM EST (link)

passing significant spending cuts shortly before the election might be the only thing that maintains a Dem majority.

Thankfully, they will never let that happen.

 

Filibuster

Thomas_Hauber Wednesday, July 28th at 12:33PM EST (link)

Seems that the senate election in MA might be more important than anyone realizes. Without that 40th vote in the senate we might have been looking at a horrific session between election day and the new congress being sworn in.

Now we should get all the fence sitters in the house and senate to give their opinion about passing legislation during a lame duck congress. Could definitely swing some districts if it is played right.

 

Lame Duck Congress

erp617 Wednesday, July 28th at 12:42PM EST (link)

Only one-third of the senate is up for re-election in November, so the other two-thirds of senators will have to think twice about any lame-duck session votes that would be looked at negatively by their constituents.

The opposite is true in the House, where every representative is up for re-election, but without the Senate, the house has no power to pass laws, so we may be safe.

not so fast

wingnut43 Wednesday, July 28th at 11:22PM EST (link)

Ironically, a “productive” Lame Duck becomes much more likely the greater the Dem losses are in Nov. If the Senate Democrats take really horiffic losses this Nov, they may be motivated to ram through whatever they can before the Republicans take power. The biggest question is with the Democrats that are continuing until 2012 or 2014. If the Dem losses are truly horiffic (like 15 seats), they may say to themselves – “you will not be reelected, so be bold. This is your one and only shot to change America.” All it takes is 51 Democrats to say this and then the filibuster can be abolished, and anything Obama wants will be passed. The lame duck Congress can even deny the incoming Congress the power of the purse by passing a 2 year appropriation! Then The Great Obama can protect his gains for the next 2 years with his veto, and the 2012 election will become the ultimate decision time.

 
 

Time to end lame-duck sessions altogether

douglast Wednesday, July 28th at 1:05PM EST (link)

I realize this would require a constitutional amendment (in other words – fat chance), but it’s 2010 already. Waiting 3 months to seat the new Congress is outdated and unnecessary.

Anyone not retaining a seat after an election cycle should immediately lose any voting privileges in Congress. This is kind of common sense isn’t it? We are far removed from the days where our Congress members could be counted on to do what is morally and ethically correct.

I completely agree with the logic behind your idea.

Flagstaff (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 12:39AM EST (link)

The lame-duck session is no longer necessitated by travel or communications considerations, and it affords a losing party one final opportunity to create significant mischief.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 
 

Not to Mention

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 1:24PM EST (link)

That this piece of trash Gregg voted Yes for the Wise Latina of months of saying he was undecided.

Now he’s also undecided on Kagan, how do you think he’ll end up voting??

Greggs true RINO colors will be on display.

charliebravoNH (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 8:33PM EST (link)

We will see the true RINO Gregg during this lame duck session. Which is pretty sad. This disgraced Congress should adjourn for the year.

This also presents an opportunity to push the GOP Senate candidates on this issue.

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NHConservative0227 (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 12:27AM EST (link)

The only problem is that too many people have gone soft on some major issues.

Judd Gregg voed to confirm Sotomayor. Kelly Ayotte also supported the Wise Latina.

Seems to me that both Gregg and Ayotte are for banning of guns since they supported a radical to a Supreme Court justice who repaid them by voting against the 2nd amendment in the Chicago vs. McDonald case.

That’s why if you support a radical to the SCOTUS it needs to automatically disqualify you! No exceptions!

We need to rally to support the real conservative for Senate in NH. Vote for Ovide!!

Ayotte is winning big time

crassus (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 1:40AM EST (link)

Look, I agree that Kagan and Sotomayor should not be voted for. But, this is not the real test. The real tests will be the replacements for Ginsburg + Kennedy. There will be a fight like you have never seen before then- especially when Kennedy retires.

 
 
 
 

I will just never understand

baserunr (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 3:05PM EST (link)

why it is not possible to introduce a “Massive Spending Cut Bill”. It has as much chance of passing as the monstrous tax hike plan. But no, we have to persist in this hideous charade where we pretend that everything the Federal Government does is necessary and proper, and woefully underfunded.

Color me unimpressed on a number of levels. Especially in the area of marketing savvy.

“The day you think you know it all is the day your trouble starts.”

 

My Friends There Are Two Americas

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 3:14PM EST (link)

1) Where John F. Kerry represents as a Senator and votes for tax hikes.

2) Where John F. Kerry parks his yacht to avoid local taxation.

” I side impenitently with the human race against the modern reformer.” – C.S. Lewis

 

Make it a Law

pamela1631 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 8:38PM EST (link)

That any tax increase, fees or assessments Congress passes are first tried out on both Houses of Congress,Cabinet Members, any appointed Czars, their assorted staffs, sycophants, consultants, advisory foundations, etc.

Should be interesting. Yes?

This republic was not established by cowards; and cowards will not preserve it. ~~Elmer Davis

I am stone forged from the fires of creation into flesh ~~Pamela1631

The greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.~~Maj. L. Caudill, USMC (Ret.)

 

The key here is it re-opens questions about Judd Gregg.

Flagstaff (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 12:58AM EST (link)

Gregg is a smart man. He is usually on the right side, but even allowing his name to be associated with this idea of a big tax increase from a lame-duck Congress raises big questions, old and new.

First, the old. Why did he ALMOST become Commerce Secretary under Emperor Obama, when he was a public proponent for eliminating the Department? Then, why did he change his mind?

And, new, why would he even consider raising taxes in today’s economy? This tells me he doesn’t get it; he’s one of the Ruling Class without a clue about the Country Class.

Finally, is this why he is retiring from the Senate? He’s doing the right thing, because he’s apparently overstayed his welcome. Floating the idea of big new taxes, including a VAT, should end the career of any Republican politician, and any Democrat we can nail at the ballot box, too.

These jackasses and LibPubs are starting to leave us with fewer and fewer alternatives.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 

Time for a Mr Smith Goes to Washington

mutantone Thursday, July 29th at 6:28AM EST (link)

I want to see a “Mr Smith goes to Washington” type speech for ever event with Republicans blocking any attempt at to get the floor for the lame duck stuff that the Obamaommunist will try