Here’s a shot of cold water for Democrats figuring out how to force an unpopular health care rationing bill through, despite the fact that it’s proving an incredibly hard lift even in liberal Massachusetts. Even Democratic pollster James Carville – and his partner, Stanley Greenberg – are finding that American voters are decisively against the proposal. Not only that, Carville’s most recent poll – which he has not discussed or promoted since it was quietly posted last week – shows that as Democrats have focused on health care over the last few months, their ratings are collapsing.
This poll should be heartwarming for conservatives – dig in for yourself and see how voters are rejecting the Democrat agenda. But if you’re looking for highlights, check out my piece at the Daily Caller:
Democracy Corps surveyed more than 1,000 voters nationwide, including more than 800 likely voters. The group asked voters to identify themselves as “warm” or “cool” on parties or proposals. Fifty-two percent of likely voters described themselves as “cool” on the president’s health-care plan, against just 34 percent were “warm.” When it came to the president’s economic plan, 35 percent were warm against 49 percent cool. The findings are consistent with other national surveys, which show the health-care plan currently under debate to be widely unpopular…
The deterioration of Democrat House candidates showed up clearly in Democracy Corps’ generic congressional ballot question. Likely voters favored the Democrat candidate by a margin of 47 percent to 43 percent in August. Now the generic Democrat trails by 46 percent to 45 percent. Those figures are consistent with results in other recent surveys. According the Real Clear Politics average, Republican congressional candidates have an edge of about 2 percent in current polling…
On voter intensity and propensity to vote, the poll saw a significant GOP edge. Democracy Corps described Republicans as “intensely enthusiastic” about the 2010 vote, with 46 percent seen as “very enthusiastic” about voting in the 2010 congressional elections, against just 33 percent of Democrats…
Other questions cast doubt on the ability of Democrats to make up lost ground by tying their opponents to polarizing conservatives. When told that “Democrats are working to pass mainstream, pragmatic solutions and win broad support. Republicans take their lead from extreme partisans like Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and Dick Cheney,” 43 percent were more likely to vote for the Democrat candidate, against 53 percent who were not.
Democrats are currently saying that no matter what happens in tomorrow’s Senate election, they will pass a health care rationing bill. But if even their top pollster – James Carville – is demonstrating how much of a millstone this is, can they continue with this plan?
Steve Maley
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Here's why I don't like this...
Section9 Monday, January 18th at 1:44PM EST (link)When we took power in 1994, we did things that guaranteed Bill Clinton’s reelect.
I guarantee you that the MSM will do everything in its power to blame the economic crisis on “the Republican House” or somesuch nonsense.
The BEST solution for us would be to come CLOSE to taking the House and Senate, while leaving the Majority in THEIR hands. This would allow us to coalition with what populist D’s and geld Nancy and Harry.
Obama will do everything he can to blame economic woes on us, and the media will cooperate. That is the danger of taking the majority too early.
Sorry to sound like an Eeyore, but I remember what Gingrich did with the Gummint shutdown.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
Let me 'splain why you're wrong.
Ivan Yurkenov Monday, January 18th at 2:04PM EST (link)The difference in ’94 is that we had a non-principled president who did not govern by conviction; he governed by expediency. Unlike Clinton, I don’t see Obama sprinting to the middle to engage in triangulation. Clinton co-opted the Gingrich successes as his own; remember Clinton claiming Welfare Reform as his own success? Remember Clinton declaring that HE balanced the budget? Newt gave Clinton every victory that Clinton can CLAIM.
I don’t see Axlerod counseling Obama to play ball with Mike Pence or Eric Cantor or John Cornyn or Tom Coburn — I just don’t see that happening.
Ivan
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. John Stuart Mill – English economist & philosopher (1806 – 1873)
Gergen and Morris
clintonformccain Monday, January 18th at 2:17PM EST (link)Don’t forget that Clinton also cleaned house and brought in a Republican Chief of Staff (David Gergen) and a Republican strategist (Dick Morris). It wasn’t just lip service. Clinton did, in actuality, move decisively to the center — much to the dismay of the lefties. It was even mildly plausible since he had a track record of governing from the center in Arkansas (where you certainly can’t get elected from the left).
I don’t see this President and this Democratic party being able to pull off that Houdini trick. First, I don’t think they even “get it”. Second, I don’t think they are capable of even talking the talk, let alone walking the walk of governing from the center.
I laugh at your naivete.
Section9 Monday, January 18th at 2:34PM EST (link)You don’t think that Obama can’t out-Clinton the Bubster to survive?
He will do ANYTHING to stay in power.
Saul Alinsky wrote in Rules for Radicals that his students had to ingratiate themselves to the Middle Class to rule the Middle Class.
Obama will do what he must.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
I don't assume that level of competence
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 2:51PM EST (link)Though I think his first year in office has proven he’ll sell out anyone and any position in order to try to keep those poll numbers up.
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My assumption is that Obama and his Aides are without Guile.
Section9 Monday, January 18th at 3:05PM EST (link)They are better at gaining and keeping Power than at Governance.
Alinsky’s political tactics were all about the seizure of power, not about governance. This is what Obama knows.
So, it is not surprising that he comes off as being a bit at sea. However, I fully expect that he will go centrist when the opportunity presents itself.
I fully expect the Beltway G.O.P. to play into his hands. There are too few competent Republicans in D.C. that can stand up to him.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
"There are too few competent Republicans in D.C." And how does staying in the minority change that? nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 3:08PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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No Section 9, Obama can't out bubba, Bubba
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 3:14PM EST (link)Obama doesn’t have a pragmatic bone in his body. Current events clearly indicate that he is an idiologue with single-minded purpose. If he is going to move to the center, you’ll see it begin immediately after this election.
But he won’t. His ego won’t permit it. He will Jimmah Cahtah II.
“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
I don't think it would work.
larueladue (Diary) Tuesday, January 19th at 12:50AM EST (link)He doesn’t connect with people like Clinton did. And by now, no one would believe a word he said. Even with the collusion of the MSM, I don’t think it would work.
And, personally, I don’t think he anywhere near as good an actor as Clinton. He would morph into a laughing stock…
You don't sound like and eeyore, you sound like a useful idiot. nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 2:09PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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You don't know what you're talking about.
Section9 Monday, January 18th at 2:58PM EST (link)So read below.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
Totally agree Section9
raider1 Monday, January 18th at 2:17PM EST (link)You took the words right out of my mouth.
I would like the end result of the 2010 elections to be a Dem majority 218 to 217 in the House and a 51-49 Dem majority in the Senate. There is no doubt the mainstream media will try to place part of the blame on a Republican House for continuing economic woes if the GOP regains control of the House in 2010. I want our 2012 presidential nominee to be able to run against Obama, a Dem House and a Dem Senate.
Hey raider1, we here at RedState work to be in the majority. If you want to remain in the minority, push your wares elsewhere. Got it? nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 2:24PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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I've been around here a long time. Stop being a gatekeeper.
Section9 Monday, January 18th at 2:58PM EST (link)I play the long game. You don’t.
You’re satisfied with the quick win. I’m not. I want to build a durable Republican majority. If Scott Brown wins, and he will, that will be our first penetration of the Northeast in a long, long time.
But ask yourself THIS QUESTION:
If the Republican Party is returned to a majority in the House in 2010, what kind of majority will it be? More like what you and Erick would like, or more like what Denny Hastert and Bill Frist created.
That kind of Republican majority will be very easy for Obama and Axelrod to run against, with a huge assist from the media. I’ve seen Democrats do this to us before, and unfortunately, the incompetence of the Washington G.O.P. is too predictable.
I want to build a durable majority in the House and Senate for small government. What we got in the wake of the Contract for America Congress, within the space of, say, four years, were Republicans rolling in pork and Abramoff.
If we win, fine. But I suspect that it means that Obama will triangulate just as Clinton did. Be prepared: it is what he and his media allies will do.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
Section9, First off, I do know what I am talking about.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 3:06PM EST (link)Second, part of being a contributor here at RS is being a gatekeeper. So I won’t be stopping that anytime soon.
As far as your “long game” logic. I would say I am playing a long game as well. My game plan involves first turning the electorate Republican, then moving on to turn them conservative.
Your game plan relies on the stupidity of the opposition to win the war, your strategy is a losing strategy.
Like I said before, you sound like a useful idiot.
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Let me be clear
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 3:48PM EST (link)You will be banned if you ever again use this site to promote Democrat victory.
End of line.
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Thank you Neil
JoeG Monday, January 18th at 9:45PM EST (link)I don’t want to see that type of talk here either.
The last time Republicans played your version of
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 3:55PM EST (link)The Long Game, they were in the minority for 40 years.
There were a considerable number of conservatives pushing the "long game" concept in '06 and '08...
Third Street (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 9:55PM EST (link)As I recall, the ’06 version went something like “let the Dems retake Congress; that’ll show the RINOs and after two years of Democrat control the people will wise up and put us back in power”; while the ’08 version was “it really may be for the best if Obama wins because McCain will just make people hate Republicans more, and this way the Democrats will own all the blame and we’ll be swept back into power in ’10 or ’12.”
If all that’s transpired since then, and the current, prospective death of our country in so many different ways, hasn’t taught us that it is never a good idea to let Democrats into power ever ever ever then we really are a sorry lot.
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Right. You can never win by losing.
gekster (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 10:02PM EST (link)But we knew that.
And all that “we lost because so we could” are just excuses for being incompetent.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
sometimes you can win a war...
ssohara (Diary) Tuesday, January 19th at 12:18AM EST (link)Sometimes you can win a war by having a strategic retreat or losing a particular battle that will then help set up the terrain for a final victory. This doesn’t mean, however, that the soldiers fighting during that retreat or battle can do less than their best to defeat the enemy.
If an Obama victory over McCain ensures the election of the next Ronald Reagan… then in the long term our country will be better off. However, that doesn’t mean we should strive for an Obama victory! We should do everything we can to support the best available candidate!
I definitely want to see us wrest control of the House and Senate from the Dems as well as the Presidency… however, I want to see us win that control with true conservative candidates.
that doesn’t mean I don’t see the silver lining in the cloud – Obama winning is like the frog in the pot of water having the heat turned up suddenly. When the frog is in the pot and the heat is slowly turned up, as it was under Clinton and Bush, then the frog just sits in the pot. But when an Obama is elected, it’s like the heat going way up – and the frog panics and jumps out.
Obama’s arrogance will, hopefully, defeat “progressivism” for another generation. But in order for us to build on this, we need to do everything we can to support the best conservative candidates we can find.
If we can get true conservative candidates, then heck yeah, I want us to dominate all branches of government. Because true conservative policies are GOOD, we can triumph over media blather the same way Reagan did. The only reason to support the defeatist strategy of wanting the Dems to continue to be the majority party – we have a GOP dominated by RINOs. I am hoping, however, that the backlash against the Dems will encourage the RINOs to trend redder as well as giving us a lot more Republicans with backbone, true conservative principles, etc.
At no time ever do you fight to lose. Not even to win a battle later.
gekster (Diary) Tuesday, January 19th at 12:33AM EST (link)They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
This:
Third Street (Diary) Tuesday, January 19th at 12:50AM EST (link)No, it won’t… not if Obama manages to wreck the foundations of the country in the interim!
The analogy you seem to be going for is Carter/Reagan: we had to endure four years of Jimmy Carter in order to get Ronald Reagan. Well, maybe that’s true — but Carter still was able to do lasting damage in those four years! The Carter Administration produced a Department of Education that Reagan was never able to get rid of; he made plenty of lifetime appointments to the federal bench; and he helped produce an Iran controlled by insane theocrats whom we’ll be lucky to keep from plunging the world into nuclear war!
We should thank God he never made any Supreme Court appointments! Not so lucky with Peanut Boy Redux.
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
I want the GOP to occupy the White House be in the majority in the House and Senate after the 2012 elections
raider1 Monday, January 18th at 3:48PM EST (link)Nowhere in my post did I imply anything else.
I believe the best way to have a Republican occupant of the White House in 2013 and GOP majorities in the House and Senate after 2013 is for the Dems to control both houses of Congress until 2012. The full blame for a bad economy will rest on the shoulders of Dems if they control the White House and both houses of Congress until 2012. It is my belief that the GOP will occupy more seats in the House and the Senate after 2012 if the Democrats control both houses of Congress going into the 2012 elections than if the Dems didn’t.
My opinion may be incorrect. It’s just an opinion. My post, however, simply agreed with the original comment of Section9 and offered my opinion on the most useful scenario for a 2012 GOP presidential nominee. I didn’t criticize anyone and I’m not pushing any wares.
So, to paraphrase Bush "You have abandoned victory to ensure victory." Try again raider1. nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 3:53PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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I will celebrate if the GOP retakes the House and the Senate after the 2010 elections
raider1 Monday, January 18th at 4:27PM EST (link)I believe, though, that the best path for a GOP win in the 2012 presidential election and the best path for the GOP to control the House and Senate after the 2012 elections is for the Dems to barely control both houses of Congress until 2012.
As I said, if the GOP takes control of both houses of Congress after the 2010 elections, I will celebrate.
I’m not trying again and I’m not abandoning victory. My opinion may be wrong, but that won’t be know until the conclusion of the 2012 elections. If the Dems maintain slim control of both houses of Congress following the 2010 elections and the GOP wins the White House and both houses of Congress in 2012, my opinion would have been shown to have at least some validity. If the GOP takes control of both houses of Congress after the 2010 elections, and then wins the White House in 2012 and increases it majorities in both houses of Congress after the 2012 elections, I will happily have been proven wrong. If that occurs in 2012, I will be pleased to admit that your criticism of my post was entirely correct.
Let me be clear
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 4:33PM EST (link)I’m going to be swinging the bans freely and swiftly at people who promote Democrat victory.
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Neil, I'm not promoting Democratic Victory.
Section9 Monday, January 18th at 9:30PM EST (link)I’m wondering what will happen when we get the House back in
2010, as looks increasingly likely.
You can ban me if you wish, but the Republican Party in Washington is still in the grips of those who drove it right into the ground. I wish I were wrong, but the grassroots don’t control the Party yet.
Those who are convinced that Obama will not tack to the center are
whistling past the graveyard. He may not be able to govern effectively, but he is an extraordinarily gifted politician.
What I’m afraid of is that while the Republican Party in the country,
the rank and file, is conservative, the GOP in Washington largely cares only about its access to K Street.
If we win, great. But if all we do after we win is start feeding at the trough, we will have learned nothing.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
It's really simple
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 9:33PM EST (link)If you ever use this site to promote a Democrat victory int he House or any other elections, y ou’re going against our site purpose and that’s not good.
If you don’t ever plan to do that, then we’re good.
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Then, follow Cold Warrior's advice.
ceili_dancer (Diary) Tuesday, January 19th at 10:28AM EST (link)Become involved with the party at the local level and move up the line. Change comes from within and you can only gripe from the outside, inside you can DO something about it.
raider1, If you can't see the stupidity in your strategy, I can't change that.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 4:36PM EST (link)But I would prefer if you quit trying to sell that strategy on a site devoted to activism. Is that clear?
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Wait-a-hold-it, I think we all have the same objectives.
Steve Maley (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 4:36PM EST (link)And that’s the long term victory for the GOP and conservative values.
While I think section9 and raider1 are not thinking clearly, they are on our side.
I certainly hope for a Republican landslide in November. But nothing will set the party back farther than getting a bunch of new R’s in office that go back to old habits of logrolling & earmarking.
Whether we ultimately end up in the majority or not after Nov 2010, let’s hope the new blood have rock ribs, fire in their eyes, and an unending passion for winning back the country. If we get that, I will be happy whether or not we’re in the majority. For now.
And, yes, a majority would be even better, but if it takes a bunch of Scozzafavas to be numbers up, then , nah, no thanks.
The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.
Here's the point I tried to make that some Redstaters are resistant to.
Section9 Monday, January 18th at 9:35PM EST (link)Hopefully a lot of the new blood that is elected in the House will be born again Reaganites and Palinites. Good for the grassroots.
Unfortunately, the House G.O.P., should we be in the Majority, will be controlled, largely I suspect, by many of the same barons who gave
us the same problems that led to our defeats.
The question is not whether it is good for us to be in the Majority; control of tax writing policy is reason enough for that. The question is whether the Washington Party has learned anything and is willing to do anything more than give lip service to Reagan and Goldwater.
That remains an open question.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
Actually, if we take the House in 2010,
The_Rebel (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 10:46PM EST (link)most of the new blood will be rock-ribbed conservatives, based on what I am seeing here in Massachusetts and around the country. Take another read of that Carville poll that he doesn’t want you to know about. Take another look at all that money pouring in to Scott Brown from the grassroots all over the country. These are not followers of David Frum or David Brooks.
Scott Brown may be a fiscal conservative, but he is a social moderate. However, he has been embraced here at RS and elsewhere and has not been treated as insufficiently conservative. He is as conservative as you will get in MA and still be able to win. If we listen to the likes of David Frum, we would never get out of the wilderness.
It seems to me that your attitude is one of the biggest obstacles to a conservative revival. It’s always wait until the next election-be strategic. Well, the next election is less than 10 months away, and we are pulling out all the stops, starting tomorrow in MA. You can either get on board or wave good-bye, as the train is leaving.
The bad republicans are still better than the "good" democrats
jackhammer Tuesday, January 19th at 6:38AM EST (link)as Ben Nelson and the other supposed blue dogs have shown us. We held every republican senator,a dn almost every republican congressman (and to be fair, Cao comes form a super democrat district, and probably was voting his district).
We want democrats out of power, and out of power soon before they can wreak more havoc that will be tough to undo….think social security, think medicare, think other entitlement programs…..
Your thinking is like having a bunch of crack heads in your house, destroying stuff….and then thinking you don’t want them out, because if they stay in you can get more insurance money and the place becomes a tear down….
Get a many of them out as quickly as possible…be it retirement or beating incumbents…..then once we have the majority again remain vigilant, that we won’t accept any crap.
Clinton got re-elected because of Ross Perot…Clinton never had a majority, so when anyone complains about Bush, remmebr Clinotn NEVER EVER had 50 or more % of the vote.
Don’t 3rd party it.
And did I care much about Clinton getting too much credit? No…I was happy for a decent economic development, and balanced budgets….whoever got the credit.
If Obama had an epiphany tomorrow, and turned into Milton Friedman, and decided it was time to balance the budget, lower taxes, give the people freedom and protect the sanctity of life….I would be happy as a pig in slop….If he meant it and proved it, I wouldnt care if he took the credit….
Turn style
Robert A. Hahn (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 2:52PM EST (link)we did things that guaranteed Bill Clinton’s reelect.
Yeah, like nominate Bob Dole.
With McCain out of the way, we don’t have to worry about whose turn it is in 2012.
Drink Good Coffee. You can sleep when you’re dead.
The necessary thing is to stop ZeroCare, Cap&Tax, & CardCheck
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 3:08PM EST (link)After that, we need to play for the long run by running genuine conservatives. An injection of a critical mass of genuine conservatives in 2010 is more important in the long run than a majority led by RINOs.
With their backs against the wall, the RINOs have voted no in 2009 (although they haven’t used every delay tactic in the playbook.) If the RINOs regain the locus of power, we can expect them to behave like RINOs again.
Gingrich got played like a cheap fiddle
Achance (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 3:10PM EST (link)with the government shutdown. He ran into something that Republicans, especially Southern Republicans, had no experience with; Saul Alinsky. The Democrats and the government employee unions ran something right out of their strike playbook and Gingrich, et. al. didn’t know how to handle it.
These big public employee unions know they can’t sustain as strike. They can’t even get all of their members to go out at all and they can’t keep the ones that will go out more than two or three days unless the union can promise the employees won’t lose any pay; something hard for them to do as most don’t really have strike funds and such. So, they’ve invented the virtual strike. In concert with their friends in the media, they can make it look like the World has ended as soon as they go out. If they go out at 8AM, by the 6PM news there are starving babies, mommies with cancer who lost their health insurance, car repossessions, and home foreclosures headling on every newscast and on the front page of every paper the next morning.
That’s what they did to the Republicans and rather than do adequate PR to show that it is all just a lie, hard to do, but possible, or just maintain a stiff upper lip and stay the course, nobody likes government employees anyway, the Republicans folded and allowed themselves to look foolish in the process.
And, as somebody below said, nominating Bob Dole, even though it was “his turn,” pretty much guaranteed Slick’s re-election.
In Vino Veritas
About the only real "stuff it" with a public employee strike
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 3:39PM EST (link)that I can remember was Reagan and the Controllers. And you’re right, he stood tall and they lost big time.
You can do it if you have the guts and the backing.
Achance (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 6:04PM EST (link)I kept peace during my tenure by just telling them point blank that their choice was an agreement acceptable to us or a strike and if they tried a strike, we would lock them out to make sure none of them could get paid. To this day I don’t know if I could have made good on that threat but it was believable enough that they didn’t want to find out.
In Vino Veritas
guts is a good thing but I would accept
RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 10:18PM EST (link)A petrified guy standing there quaking in his boots, knowing the world WAS actually going to end but unable to defy his principles. So scared or not he does the right thing.
Gingrich had neither and he blinked so long when he opened his eyes half his majority was gone and he wasn’t speaker no more.
Reagan was best though, guts and principles with a handful of political savy thrown in to confuse them.
We aren’t going to have a big enough majority in the house to ram anything meaningful through until at least 2012. We may or not have a majority in the senate.
We need guys with the guts or principles to let it all shutdown until the left pleads for the doors to be reopened.
“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell
“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers
When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry
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Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.
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Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.
Reagan invoked Taft-Hartley ag. the Air Traffic Controllers,
furious (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 3:49PM EST (link)…fired those who walked off the job, and broke PATCO. Seven months into his first term. Over objections within his own cabinet.
–furious
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” — Darth Vader
Taft-Hartley doesn't apply to PATCO.
Achance (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 6:01PM EST (link)Federal employees bargain under federal executive orders and statutes that apply only to the federal government. Taft-Hartley is a 1948 amendment to the National Labor Relations Act which applies only to private sector employees of employers engaged in interstate commerce.
What Reagan did was something no politician had had guts enough to do before or since; he fired all the participants in an illegal public employee strike and sought damages against the union and charges against the principals. The man knew how to play hardball, but then he was once head of the Screen Actors Guild so he knew a little labor law.
In Vino Veritas
Reagan and Maggie had the Cahones
jackhammer Tuesday, January 19th at 6:59AM EST (link)Take a public sector strike…no one takes public transit anyway, a couple of days with no cops isn’t going to lead to chaos in the developed world…
Call their bluff…fire them all….be freed from the pension burdens…..they don’t vote for us anyway, so why are we so damn accomodating?
Teachers go on strike? That is like a mini-stimulus plan in itself…it puts teens in the malls….give ‘em a 2 week deadline, they go beyond it, fire the lot of them…..
Let’s remember, air traffic controllers actually are sort of tough to replace, and Reagan had the wherewithall to fire them all….
Civil Servants and Public Sector employees actually signed up to be paid out of tax revenues….if I sign a contract with a company that is known to be losing money for years (which is what running a deficit is) I don’t necessarily expect this to be a job for life and totally secure. They are on the public payroll, they signed up mainly because they like the job security, but we don’t have the money anymore…so….
10% across the board paycut for all public sector employees….you don’t like it find a new job….
then go after the entitlement programs….we need to…that measn medicare…p***ing off the old people….social security…whcih we also don’t have the fortitude of facing….
I don't think we can retake the Senate, but retaking the House would be to our advantage
Finrod (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 3:30PM EST (link)To retake the Senate, we’d need to flip 11 seats– well, 10 presuming Brown wins. While theoretically possible, it’d take a wave comparable to the Great Flood of Noah to pull that off.
The House, however, we can retake, and it would be good for us to retake the House. That way, in 2011 and 2012 we can pass good Republican legislation through the House– no matter that it won’t go anywhere in the Senate, we’ll be able to say ‘we’re not just the party of No, we’ve been passing all kinds of legislation that would benefit the country, but Democrats in the Senate and the White House won’t let it become law’. Plus, we’ll be able to put a decisive stop to the crap that Obama and the Dems have been trying to shove down our throat for the last year or so.
Then we can retake the Senate and White House in 2012, and get to fixing as many things that the Dems have broken as we can.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
Depends on what is most important at the time...
furious (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 3:44PM EST (link)1. The House initiates Appropriations and Tax Policy.
2. The Senate confirms/denies nominees.
…or the House is where ideas originate, and the Senate is where they go to die. Given only one I’d choose the House, where Rs werre able to maintain discipline on tax policy 2000-2004, only to have it gutted by the majority (R) Senate (sunsetting Bush’s tax cuts). And even with the majoritySenate (R)s couldn’t/wouldn’t defend nominees like John Bolton and Miguel Estrada.
–furious
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” — Darth Vader
If we win either house, it will behoove to play our hand with great care
red_oakster (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 4:05PM EST (link)Obama will want to portray any Republican-controlled house as reckless and extreme. And Obama controls the executive, so the separation of powers leaves even a GOP majority with a very limited role.
By all means pass whatever good bill that it is possible to pass-even if it dies. And give Obama as little as possible in budgets and appropriations-go for continuing resolutions where necessary. But learn from 1994. Congress can’t kayo a president (or vice versa). Hold on, keep the clench, try to score points where necessary. And leave room for the GOP nominee in 2012 to fight the main event.
meant to say score points where possible
red_oakster (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 4:07PM EST (link)nt
I give you a 5 for the MMA reference. nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 4:17PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
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An injection of 40 or more new genuine House Conservatives
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 5:05PM EST (link)and five or so genuine Conservative Senators is what we need.
If we can come out of the 111th having stopped ZeroCare, Cap&Tax, and CardCheck, perhaps we can consider 2008 the retirement of many RINOs and 2010 their delayed replacement with genuine Conservatives.
You do that one genuine Conservative at a time. The political tides will rise and fall, but we have a chance here to change the character of the Republican Congressmen for much the better over a decade or two, and by extension, the character of the Congress as a whole.
When Coach K took over at Duke, he played man-to-man, because he believed that’s what would lead to long term success, in spite of his situation at that time. His steadfast approach turned out OK.
If the GOP can take Kennedy's old seat in Massachussetts...
conservativemusician Monday, January 18th at 10:38PM EST (link)Then anything is possible in November. We could very well see a replay of 1994.
Your thinking is flawed for a variety of reasons
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, January 19th at 10:37AM EST (link)First, the logic of being in the minority will always be “true”—so we would never get a majority
Second, a closer Congress would result in bipartisonship, with lots of RHINO’s crossing the aisle, and blurring differences between the parties
Third, Republicans will get blamed for everything no matter what happens, so we might as well win
Fourth, a shutdown could occur with a strong plurality, and it would be even worse because it would be a minority party shutting down the government
Fifth, nothing beats winning
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
The real killer in this poll
Tbone (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 2:14PM EST (link)is that the economic question results mirror the healthcare result. Healthcare will be off the frontpage in a couple of months, one way or the other. The economy is here to stay.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
This is true
itrytobenice (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 4:45PM EST (link)and *enormously* important.
I know we sometimes worry that they won’t have to sow what they reap, but this time they will. GWB got the blame for the first Fannie/Freddie meltdown, but there’s a bigger one coming and the inflation that’s coming with it will be a firestorm.
The deficit, along with the fed’s efforts to stabilize interest rate by purchasing bonds is going to trigger a wave of inflation and there won’t be any way they will be able to fob it off on GWB.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Democrats, the conservative's best friend
theillinoisguy (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 2:37PM EST (link)Being a democrat right now is like having the plague. Obama campaigned as different from the “politics as usual” kind of politician. He was right, except in this case, different is much worse than usual. He managed to fool the independents, but has been exposed as a fraud. The corruption under Obama is open to see with the bribes to Nelson, Landrieu and the unions. Everything is not transparent, and anything bad is George Bush’s fault.
http://theillinoisguy.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/obama-the-best-president-ever/
That won't always be so.
Section9 Monday, January 18th at 3:01PM EST (link)Remember, last year the Republican brand was toxic.
A year is a lifetime in politics. Gingrich got the brand elected in 1994, then did things that played right into Billy Jeff’s hands. Got him reelected, too.
And yes, nominating Dole helped.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
Hey, Carville! It's the Economy, Stupid!
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, January 18th at 3:18PM EST (link)If your side wasn’t so occupied pursuing Lefty indulgences that if Zero was less stupid he would reserve for good economic times, 0bama wouldn’t have locked in a 10% unemployment rate for this November. (Even if we start to see job growth, every unemployed individual that finds a job will be replaced on the unemployment list by someone who previously was not looking.)
The Left incentivized capital to go into hiding. And so it did.
obama
sarge324 Tuesday, January 19th at 7:34AM EST (link)he has the media,and legislators.he must of forgot about we the people.that goes to show you the people still run the country.the back room deals,,the lying to the people.we dont forget,we love this country to much.
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