Senator Ben Nelson (D-DeadMeat) continues to try to distance himself from his Obamacare bribe and his vote for the bill:
“At the end of the day, whatever Nebraska gets will be available to all states,” Nelson said during a conference call with reporters.
In exchange for his crucial support of the reform bill, Nelson was promised federal funding to cover Nebraska’s entire cost of a Medicaid expansion included in the bill. Other states will have to begin picking up a portion of the added expanse beginning in 2017.
Nebraska wasn’t alone in getting Medicaid breaks. Vermont, Louisiana and Massachusetts also got help with their programs.
Nelson said Thursday that if he can’t secure a similar deal for every state, he wants states to be freed from paying the cost of Medicaid expansion. That would mean eliminating the provision or finding another way to pay for it.
“States that are concerned about Nebraska getting something that they’re not getting should rest at ease,” Nelson said. “That’s not going to happen…”
Nelson said Thursday that he expects all states will get extra Medicaid funding, but he wouldn’t speculate on whether he’d vote against the reform measure if Nebraska was still singled out.
Before we consider the specifics of Nelson’s demand suggestion, let’s recount for a second some of the people that have come out against the deal: Blanche Lincoln, Sherrod Brown, Michael Bennet, Joe Sestak, John Spratt, a number of state Attorneys General, and the Governator. And of course, Nelson’s own Governor – and possible 2012 opponent – opposes the extra money for Nebraska.
Faced with the growing anger over a deal that saves Nebraska taxpayers but imposes tens of billions of additional dollars on the backs of taxpayers of many other states, Nelson now says he’s committed to making sure that all states get the same deal Nebraska got. He won’t say however, that he’ll vote to kill the bill if he doesn’t get his way. That’s significant, because providing the same help to all the states is likely to add tens of billions to the cost of the bill.
This headache seems to be growing rather than waning. Will Democrats kill Nelson’s deal, find significant new revenue to buy in every state, or simply tell Nelson (and many others) to quit grousing and line up behind the bill?
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It sure sounds to me...
Third Street (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 3:37PM EST (link)…like Nelson has had the fear of God put into him by the backlash against his bribe and is looking for a way to squirm out of voting for the bill again.
Maybe that’s wishful thinking. But we sure are hearing a lot of second thoughts voiced by a lot of Democrats lately.
If there is a provision that EVERY state has its Medicaid paid for by the Feds it would jack the cost of the bill so much higher than the current “official” estimates that it could be a game-changer.
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yes
wbb1950 Thursday, January 7th at 5:38PM EST (link)That is my reaction as welll, If the number is big enough the CBO needs to rescore it and it needs to be debated on C-SPAN.
If there is no further opportunity to filibuster
Flagstaff (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 6:49PM EST (link)the bill, it matters not a whit what Nelson does. The Bill itself can pass, 51-49 without his vote. If the Senate doesn’t have to vote again (via this ping pong procedure), the bill is as good as passed.
Is there some mechanism whereby the Senate must vote again but there will be no opportunity to filibuster?
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Simple rule to remember...
Brian Faughnan (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 10:25PM EST (link)If anything in the bill changes, the Senate has to vote again. And by extension, they’ll have to get 60 votes again.
If the House passes the Senate bill as-is, then the Senate phase is over and done with.
Thanks, Brian. nt
Flagstaff (Diary) Friday, January 8th at 1:54PM EST (link)“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Oh for the love of God
gnomechumpsky Thursday, January 7th at 3:49PM EST (link)It isn’t that everyone wants your sweetheart deal senator – it’s that nobody wants any of this. Offering more piles of crap on top of crap isn’t the answer. Are these people this delusional?
Here is an answer, anyone running for office should say to the voters, “You elect me and I will vote out all benefit packages for future and former senators and congressmen. That should end this all right now.”
Between the rock and the hard place
denniswayne Thursday, January 7th at 3:54PM EST (link)Nelson is toast. Being savaged at home, if he caves now Reid will take his scalp. My bet is a lot of smarmy mea culpas and he bets that voters will have forgotten when he is next up for election.
Perhaps Nelson is correct.
SoFiMil (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 3:56PM EST (link)Nelson stated he was completely unaware of this part of the Cornhusker Kickback. Maybe Reid knew eventually every state would rightfully demand to be included in this deal. If the Senate couldn’t lower the age for Medicare, this was the next best thing.
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I don't buy for a second that Nelson didn't know about the sweet deal that Nebraska got.
janis (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 5:00PM EST (link)What I DO buy is that he never thought that he’d get this much grief for doing what he did. Rather than just ‘fess up and say he did absolutely the wrong thing and he will not vote for it the second time under any circumstances, thereby canceling what he did the first time, he just goes even further down the rabbit hole.
People such as Ben Nelson seem to have come from some other genetic strain than the average American citizen who knows right from wrong, and smart from stupid.
If he did not, then apparantly he has been for the killing of the unborn all along...and lying about it.
rcov092 (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 10:53PM EST (link)For him to sell out the lives of unborn baby’s for an Enron like accounting trick is really disgusting. I am guessing he has an ambassadorship lined up for retirement. The people of Nebraska are not going to buy his lame excuse on why he caved on the abortion language…not even for a Corhusker Kickback. They will not only de-elect him, he will be a pariah in the state.
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wbb1950 Thursday, January 7th at 5:41PM EST (link)You give Barney Fiffe Reid too much credit. As far as Nelson is concerned he is looking for cover at the expense of taxpayers, I think Nebraskens will be even more offended by this strategy.
This is exactly the problem with Big Government
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 8:35PM EST (link)It’s like a dinner of 50 people with the check split equally no matter what you order. If you had control of what you were going to spend that night, you’d consider the cost of what you ordered. But, heck, the guy on my left and the gal on my right are ordering the most expensive item on the menu, so ME, TOO!
It’s a terrible arrangement.
but wait, there's more!
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 9:19PM EST (link)Not only 50 people splitting the check w/ no accountability but they get paid to eat out lavishly, including pension, all while charging the dinner on the rest of the restaurant patrons’ credit cards.
What a deal! I have to rethink this govt jobs are dead end jobs thing.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
WTF!!
surfjake Thursday, January 7th at 4:12PM EST (link)now he bribes the whole country?
Surijake, as as newbee, you should be aware of the language rules
SoFiMil (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 4:28PM EST (link)I’m not a moderator, but in my book abbreviations should be included.
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Aw, come on
Third Street (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 4:35PM EST (link)If “WTF” doesn’t sum up the current state of our government then I don’t know what does. (On the other hand, “LOL” and “OMG” would also be accurate summations.)
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I can think of quite a few...
RedBeard Thursday, January 7th at 4:50PM EST (link)…highly appropriate 4-letter words I would like to use when discussing our disgraceful current crop of elected officials, but I’ll resist the temptation.
I won’t even abbreviate them, since that would be too much like “texting” (not a verb, by the way) which I refuse to do on principle.
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
You are not a moderator
Thomas_Hauber Thursday, January 7th at 6:02PM EST (link)You should have stopped at that first phrase. Anything after that just compounded your mistake.
No one likes to be told what they can and cannot do by someone who has no authority.
Do you need some links?
JoeG Thursday, January 7th at 6:23PM EST (link)*PLENTY* of bannings here have come for using widely known acronyms involving swear words. It was a polite notice that a moderator won’t take kindly to it.
goat relations
vanekl (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 7:18PM EST (link)Having relations with goats, however, is OK. As long as we’re clear on that.
Your fetishes are your own business. Site policy, I think. nt.
janis (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 7:29PM EST (link)I was referring to a remark that Erick made about goats. nt
vanekl (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 7:38PM EST (link)Not on RedState.
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 8:41PM EST (link)What Erick says elsewhere in what was intended to be a joke among friends should not set precedent here.
I don’t claim not to swear. But if curse words are prohibited on this private site, then I can abide by that.
Huh?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 7:37PM EST (link)Are you another one of those perverts like Souter?
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I was referring to one of Erick's comments. nt
vanekl (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 7:39PM EST (link)Link it (nt)
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vanekl (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 7:52PM EST (link)It was on national TV, when he was on Colbert.
Idiot
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 8:41PM EST (link)I guess you can’t figure out the difference between Red State and The Colbert Report?
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vanekl (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 8:44PM EST (link)Either delete my account or tell me who I need to talk to.
vaneki, they don't delete accounts here.
penguin2 (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 8:48PM EST (link)They do ban you though, especially if you act like you act like you don’t like us. Besides you are comparing apples to oranges, and coming up with fruitcake.
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Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 9:01PM EST (link)Love that last line.
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Seriously??
discerningconservative (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 8:52PM EST (link)You don’t see the difference? If someone cuts you off in traffic tomorrow, and you scream the “F word” at them, you will not be violating Red State rules. If you type that same word in a comment and post it here, that would violate the posting rules. So simple even a caveman can understand it.
G'bye
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 8:57PM EST (link)I’m officially banning you for stupidity. You’re stupid and we’re afraid we’ll catch the stupid from you.
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Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 7:37PM EST (link)And SoFiMil was correct about the rules.
You lose, Hauber.
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Wow. Just got back from the vet and find out all h- broke loose. - n/t
SoFiMil (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 9:27PM EST (link).
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The only way that Obama can salvage his Presidency
izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 4:16PM EST (link)Is to veto his own wetdream.
If he vetos the bill he can gain some credibility with almost everyone.
He needs to realize that he has over reached and needs to come back from the brink.
Heh, who am I kidding??
Obama will sign this piece of crap and lose credibility with almost everyone…….
I saw where SS was not doing so well….and ObamaCare on top of that and no more Chinese money – US insolvent before 2016 elections…..
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"Oh, What a Tangled Web We Weave......"
Spartan4Life (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 4:37PM EST (link)“…..when first we practice to deceive.”- Sir Walter Scott
Tangled web, indeed!
SoFiMil (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 4:50PM EST (link)Spartan4Life, I did a search and you’re right on all counts. I always thought Shakespeare said the above/below quote.
http://www.shakespeare-online.com/faq/misquotesfaq.html
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Hey Nelson, ever heard the story of the boy who cried wolf?
The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 4:38PM EST (link)No?
Thought not. Now go crawl back under your rock lest we forget we’re civilized people and finally give you the beating you so deserve.
And so the health care will cost what?
10ksnooker (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 4:41PM EST (link)I bet it is now deficit neutral, right?
When will the congressional; clunkers stop their lying … Right after BamBam does.
Notice how BamBam seems more like your petulant little children each passing day.
petulant child
denniswayne Thursday, January 7th at 4:50PM EST (link)Yes. If this is how he is now, can you imagine how miserable he will be come November . . . I can’t wait.
Free!!!
neoavatara (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 5:28PM EST (link)So basically, none of us have to pay for the Medicare increased costs!
Hooray!!!
The money will magically appear in the Treasury, I am sure.
These guys must think we are all morons.
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I think Nelson better take schumer hunting pheasants again even if it is out of season nt
bobojake (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 5:34PM EST (link)Oh...well...that makes it better Senator Nelson...now I can feel good about having my Liberties crapped upon nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 5:37PM EST (link)This is just Nelson's way of picking the curly hairs out of his teeth and denying the obvious
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 6:08PM EST (link)Just like Dick Morris said (holy cow, now I’m agreeing with Dick Morris), Nelson is like every so-called moderate Democrat. Either Reid’s or Pelosi’s be-yotch. In his case, Reid’s.
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Nelson if off 30% pts., and even if not accurate
renny (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 6:27PM EST (link)obviously his popularity in Montana is in the pits.
He has supposedly been calling some of the 13 AG’s who plan to sue if Obamanationcare passes (party) on the grounds of unequalized federalism, where the feds are doing something like rewarding Montana with $100 million in Medicaid payments but taking $50 mill.. from NJ and NY to do so.
They are obviously all twitted. Too bad not enough to get them to stop.
Wha?
vanekl (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 7:27PM EST (link)Nelson is from Nebraska. Baucus and Tester are from Montana.
So let me get this right.
clement Thursday, January 7th at 6:37PM EST (link)His medicaid deal was bad, so in order to make it better he is going to make it 50x worse?
I don’t get it.
There are 57 States in obamacare nt
bobojake (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 7:03PM EST (link)It's the old "everybody does it"
renny (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 6:45PM EST (link)If all states get $100 million for Medicaid (God knows where that money is coming from as the Chinese are saying no more lending), then everyone does it and no one is wrong or guilty..
Don’t we hear that all of the time? We hate Bush, but altho’ we are doing something no one likes, Bush did it. And then that makes it ok. When Clinton was experimenting with cigars on Monica, the best the feminists could come up with is “everybody does it.”
Actually, they don’t.
Nelson would gain some traction if he would just say he made a mistake, his state doesn’t want the largesse, and he’s now rejecting Reid’s deal. And what is the Sen. going to do? Throw him out? They still need 60 votes.
bubbling brew
vanekl (Diary) Thursday, January 7th at 7:32PM EST (link)For all the bickering and spin that rises to the surface, you can bet there’s much more trouble bubbling. Why else would it be absolutely necessary to keep the doors closed? The trouble is not the “obstructionists,” it’s their own party!
nelson
sarge324 Friday, January 8th at 7:15AM EST (link)nelson is a democrate.he just using words.you dont believe for one second that he is going against harry reid.just say that the mob wants him for a job,he better not say no.back door gifts,behind close door meetings with the crooks in washington.the only thing that come out ,is a crime on the american people.stay mad and vote the mobsters out of office.
Why is
rickcaston Friday, January 8th at 9:50AM EST (link)everyone getting so bogged down with the kickback that they forget the whole reason Nelson was against this travesty was because of federally funded abortion. The fact that the senate language would actually lead to just that AND the fact that Nelson caved should be enough to have his constituents all up in arms. Come on Nebraska, don’t let him off the hook on ABORTION!!! Typical leftist scam, ALWAYS watch what the other hand is doing with these clowns.
it doesn't matter what Nelson says or does....
outspoken Friday, January 8th at 11:25AM EST (link)he has already cast his vote. Even if the deal is dropped, he has already cast his vote. If anyone thinks for one minute that the dems will allow this to be up for Senate vote again, you are only fooling yourself. They will make all their deals behind closed doors and then say there are no changes to the bill so there won’t need to be another vote in either house or senate. Why else not allow CSPAN televise?
another point...
outspoken Friday, January 8th at 11:35AM EST (link)dems are abandoning ship because they know they won’t get re-elected anyway. That is why Reid put in wording that prohibits future Congresses from making changes to the plan – he knows they are all on their way out. This has not stopped them from passing this or any other of their agenda so that future administrations will spend even more time and money to try to unravel what this incompetent and naive administration has done to Americans. Next, they will try to pass a massive amnesty – expecting all these new ‘citizens’ to be dems. If that is passed, all those may well decide to run again anyway – since they are ‘really needed’.
What part of "apportioned" is this?
joenitwit (Diary) Monday, January 11th at 8:08AM EST (link)Article I Section 2 of the US Constitution says “…direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers…” which means no one gets special tax rates – taxation has to be equal (apportioned)!
I say we let this Nebraska exemption stay in so when it passes, it will be blatantly unconstitutional and we can get the courts to throw out the whole health care bill on this one technicality!