Indiana Press Notices Bayh’s Health Care Lies


We all know the names of the Democratic Senators who face tough re-election runs in 2010: Lincoln, Reid, Specter, Bennet, Dodd, and maybe Gillibrand and Dorgan and a few others. One of the names that’s not usually on the list is Indiana Senator Evan Bayh. While Bayh represents a state that will probably turn reliably red again, he has carefully cultivated a reputation as a moderate. His surname is probably as popular as any in Indiana. And it’s not clear if his Republican opponent will be able to raise the money to make this a real race.

But one thing that’s likely to make this race more competitive would be if the voters of Indiana realize that he’s been playing them for suckers when it comes to Obamacare:

Bayh, the moderate former Indiana governor, has always enjoyed support among many of the state’s conservative residents, but his vote for the Senate Democratic health care bill last week may endanger that support.

Obviously, he is aware of the challenge. Courier & Press staff writer Eric Bradner reported Sunday that Bayh had released a 700-plus word statement in which he attempted to explain what a tough decision it was to vote for the health bill.

However, Bradner reported also that according to The New York Times and Roll Call, Bayh told fellow Senate Democrats behind closed doors that it was the kind of public policy decision he came to Washington to work on.

Also, he was reported to have said that he did not want to see the satisfied looks on the faces of Republican legislators had the health reform bill failed.

The question, now is how he will react to the angry looks on the faces of Indiana constituents who did not support the Senate health care bill.

Bayh’s behind-the-scenes work in support of Obamacare was likely critical in winning the 60 votes needed to break a filibuster. Instead of joining with Democrats like Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln to put the brakes on the health care overhaul, Bayh was carrying water for Harry Reid. Instead of Reid facing a bloc of holdout moderates, he was able to buy off Lincoln and Nelson rather easily. And all the while Bayh was telling his constituents that he was conflicted about the bill, and might vote against.

We also see that Bayh looks at the health care system not as one with challenges that need fixing, but as a chance to deliver Democrats a big political victory. Rather than being motivated by a desire to ensure his constituents get the best possible care, Bayh’s priority is to make sure that Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and the Senate Democrats get a political win.

In a state like Indiana, and in a year like 2010, Bayh will have a lot to answer for.


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Hostettler is not Bayh's only opponent

itsjoanne Friday, January 1st at 2:33PM EST (link)

Marlin Stutzman has been running for quite some time. He actually seems to be the more conservative candidate.

http://www.gomarlin.com/

I'll have to check him out...

Brian Faughnan (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 3:32PM EST (link)

Hostettler is obviously quite conservative. How is Stutzman better?

I note that Stutzman supported the creation of a State Department of Agriculture, and is an ethanol promoter. Those concern me. At the same time – and without looking at Hostettler’s voting record – Hostettler may also not be pure on free markets when it comes to agriculture.

Apart from that, Stutzman seems excellent on the issues. Can he win?

I've worked in some of Stutzman's fields

Mayhem (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 4:39PM EST (link)

and he is a promoter of ethanol. The Stutzman Family is a big corn producer in northern Indiana.

My gut is that he cannot win simply because of name recognition and lack of financial support.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

 
 
 

Bayh will skate again this year.

jeffreywturner (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 3:10PM EST (link)

He is just like Edwards was in NC. Indiana and NC are both about R+5 states, in which Obama barely eeked out victories in a heavily Democratic year. However, given that Bayh looks like the “boy next door” and talks a good moderate game, he can benefit from the advantages of a complicit media and will probably coast to re-election.

We need just one-time for a hugely popular Republican to oust him, and then this should be a reliably conservative seat for years to come.

“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”

Dont Bayh It

hoosierstate Friday, January 1st at 4:07PM EST (link)

Bayh has won the last two senate races with Republican votes. The first one was an easy victory because he was coming off being a popular govenor with a Republican controlled GA that kept him a moderate. In the second Bayh victory, the Republican State Party was focused on winning the state house back, so no big name was at the top of the ticket. This time around Bayh has proven to show his true liberal colors. Add the fact of Susan Bayh’s corporate board seats and the fact that the Bayh’s personal wealth has risen dramatically while he’s been a US Senator. Throw in the tea party movement, Obama racing to the left, a popular Mitch Daniels and this could be the year to oust Bayh. Even if he wins, he won’t skate to victory. The man to beat him is Marlin Stutzman. I welcome anyone who will be voting in Indiana to check him out. 8 years experience as a citizen legislator, big family man, and an incredible personal story of making tough decisions … www.gomarlin.com

I agree with hoosierstate

Mayhem (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 4:42PM EST (link)

Bayh is not gonna get 60+ percent again, as he has in most of his campaigns. He could be well under 55 percent going into the final weeks.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

 

hoosierstate

HoosierHistorian Saturday, January 2nd at 10:30AM EST (link)

Thank you for the heads up. Honestly I had not heard of Marlin Stutzman prior to this and looked him up. I like what I see.

 
 
 

He just thinks we're suckers

Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 3:22PM EST (link)

He’s on the outa here list with Lugar right next to him. time to get RED all over in Indiana. the tea party movement is not just twiddling their thumbs here ya know.

Maggie in Indiana

So are you and your....

audax (Diary) Saturday, January 2nd at 4:15AM EST (link)

…like minded friends doing the REAGAN thing and changing the GOP from the ground up? If you have no desire to join a party God help you in future!

In your bio you say: “I have no desire to form another Party or to join one. The party of Reagan will prevail and intact but it will take people of like minds to communicate this to those who want to destroy it”

You are right , it WILL take people of like minds to communicate this! HOW???? HOW do you communicate “this” EFFECTIVELY????? Are you and your friends of like mind involved in your LOCAL GOP? Are you precinct delegates, captains, committeemen? Are you on the Candidate Selection Committtee? Are you on the Rules Committee? Are you voting for each other to go to the District, State and N|ational Convenvention? The Reagan thing is taking over the GOP from the ground up and that is where it starts. Until you are acting EFFECTIVELY you are just blowing HOT AIR! So GET your Tea Party friends and get involved where it COUNTS!

Audeamus pro audere est facere

Audax, what have you done that you are so proud of?

HoosierHistorian Saturday, January 2nd at 10:21AM EST (link)

You lecture others on acting so tell us, how are you making a difference? How are you working to bring down the communist in chief? Or are you just some sort of nasty cheerleader who insults your own side in a bizarre ritual to confuse the enemy?

Prove that you aren’t full of “HOT AIR” yourself. Those of us who actually are participating in the Tea Party Movement and have actually made a difference in the national debate await the revelation of your contribution.

Read my bio...

audax (Diary) Saturday, January 2nd at 11:47AM EST (link)

….left click on audax and it should pop up…I Mea Culpa’d you earlier. So ad hominem attacks from you flow off my back.

Not in the bio was my first “campaign’ for the conservative that year (1964) Goldwater. I was 10 and went with my dad. In 1976 at the age of 22, I moved into the precinct of the RINO (we called them MillikenRepublicans then after MI RINO Governor at the time) Republican National Committeeman Peter Fletcher and ran against him in the primary for precinct delegate…lost by 6 votes but Ronald Reagan (who I was an advance man for that year and again in 1980) appointed me as an At-Large delegate from MI at the National Convention where I organized the Reagan Demonstration in the TEXAS half of the Kemper Arena (all 100 Texas delegates where committed to Reagan and CA was on the other end of the arena) we still hold the record for the longest demonstration in the history of the GOP…thats not in the bio either. That should be enough for now.

Audeamus pro audere est facere

 

Oh...

audax (Diary) Saturday, January 2nd at 11:56AM EST (link)

currently I am retired in living in Slovakia, (on my second pacemaker) so it’s kind of hard to be real active other than encouraging others to RUN FOR PRECINCT DELEGATE and encourage all your conservative (noun) friends to do the same. Get on the Rules Committee and the Candidate Selection Committee, the Executive Committee. Run for District/State/National delegate where you CAN be effective at making the GOP more Conservative (noun). Remember it was the GOP COUNTY CHAIRMEN who picked Scarfazzo in NY-23!

I also have a majic jack and made calls for Hoffman in NY-23 election and helped phone bank in various 2008 elections.

Audeamus pro audere est facere

 

Re Indiana...

audax (Diary) Saturday, January 2nd at 12:30PM EST (link)

…The Indiana University Medical Center in Indianapolis saved my life. I had a very rare form of cancer and a doctor there (Dr. Larry Einhorn) had developed a new drug that I was one of the first 300 people to have, Ifosfamide, Almost killed me and damaged my heart and kidneys, only have one of those left and it doesn’t work very well, Also had a 24 hour experimental biopsy surgery there done by a Dr. John Donahue BUT am still breathing almost 23 years later.

Going to leave the on the ground grunt work to you young healthy guys and gals. But just wanted to say that I AM proud of the work done when young to change the direction of the country. Besides demonstrating outside the U.S. Embassy wouldn’t be very effective.

Audeamus pro audere est facere

audax

HoosierHistorian Saturday, January 2nd at 9:53PM EST (link)

Would you mind explaining a single ad hominem attack I made on you? A quick example of the term ad hominem is as follows:

-Person L says argument A.?
-Person L’s circumstance or character is not satisfactory.?
-Argument A is not a good argument.

http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/person.html

This would be the tactic utilized by you in your response to Maggie. I merely called you on your insulting manner. Furthermore in your response to my objection to uncalled for attacks on my home state by garbear you made it clear that you have no problem individuals using the ad hominem style of argument leaving you in no position to claim victim status.

Your mea culpa was posted at 11:29 am. My last post to you was at 10:21 am; over an hour earlier, so please do not act as though I had refused to acknowledge your mea culpa. At least read the time stamps before taking that position. I had not even read it until now. That being said I humbly accept you apology and thank you for making it.

I will not comment on your bio given that one may post whatever one wishes in one’s bio. I do not mean this to call you a liar, rather to point out that such a source is hardly evidence. That being said I will assume that you are honest and thank you for you activities in the political spectrum.

I will continue in this by answering your other responses in the thread they occurred.

 
 
 
 
 

Was Ted Kennedy a moderate? Neither is Evan Bayh.

toughintn (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 3:32PM EST (link)

Brian is spot on — and Gooberment was on the same wavelength in his post on December 27th. I’d advise everyone to read both posts to get a full perspective.

http://www.redstate.com/gooberment/2009/12/27/moderate-sen-evan-bayh-d-in-outed-as-closet-liberal-who-rallied-dems-troops-on-obamacare/

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Also, Brian said “[Bayh's] surname is probably as popular as any in Indiana.” With apologies, I’ll re-state my comment from gooberment’s thread to explain why the Bayh name is very important to this discussion:

Evan Bayh’s father, Democratic Senator Birch Bayh, may have left behind a considerably smaller clan, but his political legacy is just as liberal and just as dangerous as that of Ted Kennedy and his father and brothers, et al. (Interestingly, early in his career, Birch Bayh was in a plane crash with Ted Kennedy, and helped pull him out of the wreckage. They were lifelong compatriots. http://www.newsweek.com/id/213703.)

Evan Bayh was groomed for power, and taught how to play the odds. His full name is Birch Evans Bayh III, but he has NEVER run for office with that name — because his rough-and-tumble dad’s career came to an end as the Reagan Revolution began.

A soft-spoken wolf in sheep’s clothing, Evan Bayh went through the predictable motions of a law practice before getting down to it — becoming a career politician (Indiana Secretary of State in 1986, then Indiana Governor for 2 terms, and now U.S. Senator since 1999).

Indiana voters have been fooled for years, thinking his quiet communication style means he is less of a liberal, and they’ve been tricked by his Senate voting record — one cleverly crafted to keep a low profile on highly sensitive votes.

Much like Bill Clinton, he has always tested the political winds and polls to find out what will keep him popular, and calling himself a fiscal conservative has always protected him from real scrutiny.

I’m not in the least surprised by Bayh’s work behind the scenes to push through this horrific legislation. The patriarch, Birch Bayh campaigned for Obama, and may well be personally involved in this sick power grab, just like his son. The Democrat party is truly FAMILY to Birch and Evan, so the loyalty is deep, and this legislation is a dream come true for a leftist dynasty.

Evan Bayh is — first, last, and always — a liberal Democrat.

 

So why does Bayh's Republican opponent need lots of money

garbear Friday, January 1st at 3:47PM EST (link)

or a “hugely popular” name in order to defeat Bayh? If I lived in Indiana–and I thank God I don’t–I would look on the ballot, see a D next to Bayh’s name and know–I mean KNOW–instantly that he’s in favor of tax increases, greater government control of my life, and liberal judges. It’s how he’s voted as a Senator. And now, if God forbid I lived in Indiana I’d know he voted for this health care monstrosity. Based upon knowing all that I’d know to vote against him. But I guess Indiana voters just ain’t that smart.

What gives?

HoosierHistorian Friday, January 1st at 11:10PM EST (link)

I’m not sure why you feel the need to be insulting to Indiana, but if you dislike our state that much then I imagine that we are better off for not having to deal with you here.

I do not know where you live but here in Indiana we try to show more respect.

Maybe it takes "insults"

audax (Diary) Saturday, January 2nd at 4:21AM EST (link)

…to wake Hoosiers UP! garbear is RIGHT no matter how he says it! from your other posts you say Bye Bye Bayh….do you mean it?

Audeamus pro audere est facere

No, insults to Hoosiers don't actually help anything (nt)

RedBeard Saturday, January 2nd at 9:19AM EST (link)

Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.

 

Audax

ObamaNo Saturday, January 2nd at 9:22AM EST (link)

I was born and raised in Indiana and I’m with 13Bravo on this one. What’s up with the insults?

I believe that campaign dollars spent wisely (think Jason Chavitz from Utah) by less well-funded candidates in states like Indiana will go a long way in getting rid of long entrenched career politicians like Evan Bayh and Dick Lugar.

The American citizens are ready for REAL CHANGE and will show up in droves to vote these partisan politicians out who have made it apparent that they are no longer working for them, but for their buddies in congress and lobbyists. Politicians with names that are well known are actually in big trouble, in my opinion, in 2010 and 2012.

There IS one legitimate criticism of Indiana

RedBeard Saturday, January 2nd at 9:44AM EST (link)

Despite recent legislation, it’s still the only state in the union where you can start a fight by just asking what time it is. ;-)

Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.

There are many legit criticisms of Indiana.

HoosierHistorian Saturday, January 2nd at 10:14AM EST (link)

Actually there are a lot of legitimate criticisms that can be leveled at Indiana. The election of Evan Bayh as governor and then Senator based solely on his last name is only one such example. I have no problem acknowledging that Indiana has many problems, I merely object to pointless and childish insults.

I thank you for your earlier post in which you note that insults help nothing.

As for the deal with time, I am one of those who opposed observing Daylight Saving Time. My opposition is based on the fact that no appreciable benefit to the observance of DST has ever been proven. DST has on the other hand been proven through studies to cause an increase in accidents and so in fatalities. The fact that the state’s liberals all supported DST should have given anyone pause.

Back when I was a kid in Indiana...

RedBeard Saturday, January 2nd at 1:02PM EST (link)

…we did like the fact that summer daylight lasted until 10:00 PM. Gave us more time outside to get into trouble. ;-)

That was, I believe, during the time that Indiana was split right down the middle between Eastern and Central time zones. And if I’m not mistaken, there was a county option for DST, adding even more to the confusion.

Later, when I got married, some of the guests from Hammond missed the ceremony, thinking that by traveling almost due south they would be on the same time. Nuh-uh. ;-)

Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.

The bad thing is

HoosierHistorian Saturday, January 2nd at 10:20PM EST (link)

that the whole time thing is as confusing as it always was here. We still have counties that are on both Central Time and Eastern Time.

People don’t seem to understand that the time zones have to meet somewhere. Somewhere states have to be out of sync with their neighbor states when it comes to time. At least before most of us here did not have to go through the inane ritual of changing our clocks twice a year.

For me this was just another example of Big Brother telling us how we are to live our lives.

The act of forcing all of Indiana to go on DST solved nothing.

 
 
 
 
 

Insults helps nothing. Grow up!

HoosierHistorian Saturday, January 2nd at 10:05AM EST (link)

It’s always interesting when people think that childish invectives aimed at a group of people will make that group of people suddenly do what those hurling the insults want done.

How does that work exactly? You call me names and then a light goes on in my head and I suddenly cry out “You’re right! I’ve seen the truth! Thank you so much for belittling me.” Get real!

If you cannot make your case without the insults then your case is weak and you are a poor debater. When you are writing the insults look at the screen just below the box to where it says, “Be respectful, or be banned.” Try to follow that philosophy.

You state that garbear is right in his/her insults. How is it ever right to insult others in order to convince them of your viewpoints? How does this help garbear’s and presumably your cause?

I say “presumably your cause” because you appear to be doing whatever you can to destroy unity on the right. The liberals couldn’t ask for a better friend in the conservative movement than someone who insults other conservatives and thus alienates them.

You ask if I mean it when I wrote “Bye bye Bayh.” No I wrote that because I thought that it sounded clever. Of course I meant it. Did you even read my post?

I voted against Bayh before and I’ll vote against him again as long as the GOP nominates a conservative to run against him. I will not vote for a Scozzafava type if the GOP pulls that here.

Sorry

garbear Saturday, January 2nd at 11:27AM EST (link)

Apologies for the insult to Hoosiers. I went way over the top. ABut a conservative state like Indiana voting for “Evan Bayh as governor and then Senator based solely on his last name” and then–to add insult to injury–voting for Obama strikes me as strange. That kind of thinking has been a mystery to me since I was a kid. Why would a genuinely conservative-minded person ever vote for a Democrat?

(Also, I went to U. of Illinois, so my tongue gets looser when speaking of Indiana. :) )

Ok, apology accepted, but only if...

RedBeard Saturday, January 2nd at 1:05PM EST (link)

…you admit that the king of all card games is Euchre. ;-)

Then we’ll even forgive that whole U of I thing. ;-)

Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.

 

garbear

HoosierHistorian Saturday, January 2nd at 10:12PM EST (link)

Thank you. Please forgive me for making a federal case out of it. I didn’t actually expect that it would become the topic of discussion it did.

Yes, you are absolutely correct that Indiana fouled up mightily by going for Obama and for electing Bayh. It upsets me no end that so many people vote without thinking or researching the candidates. Far too many vote for someone based only on name recognition or news coverage.

There is no excuse for this and many of my fellow Hoosiers owe the nation an apology. The only thing I can say in our defense is that Indiana wasn’t the only state to do this. Small comfort.

I have spoken to many people here and have heard all to often that “any change is better than no change.” This is the lamest, most half minded thinking I have ever encountered when it comes to politics. Such Hoosiers and Americans make me ashamed.

 
 

Mea Culpa

audax (Diary) Saturday, January 2nd at 11:29AM EST (link)

I read your post AFTER I posted….foot in mouth…..

But to say I am about dis-unity in the conservative movement is grossly misleading and untrue. Guess you haven’t read any of MY other comment’s.

Conservative (noun) since….oh 1964 or so…..

Audeamus pro audere est facere

 

13Bravo, you asked in a different...

audax (Diary) Saturday, January 2nd at 1:30PM EST (link)

…post, what Audax had done…if I was HOT AIR..accused me of dividing conservatives…How about encouraging them on??.

Read my profile….left click on audax and it should pop up…I Mea Culpa’d you earlier. So ad hominem attacks from you flow off my back.

Not in the bio was my first “campaign’ for the conservative that year (1964) Goldwater. I was 10 and went with my dad. In 1976 at the age of 22, I moved into the precinct of the RINO (we called them MillikenRepublicans then after MI RINO Governor at the time) Republican National Committeeman Peter Fletcher and ran against him in the primary for precinct delegate…lost by 6 votes but Ronald Reagan (who I was an advance man for that year and again in 1980) appointed me as an At-Large delegate from MI at the National Convention where I organized the Reagan Demonstration in the TEXAS half of the Kemper Arena (all 100 Texas delegates where committed to Reagan and CA was on the other end of the arena) we still hold the record for the longest demonstration in the history of the GOP…thats not in the bio either.

Currently I am retired in living in Slovakia, (on my second pacemake and have chronic kidney disease) so it’s kind of hard to be real active other than encouraging others to RUN FOR PRECINCT DELEGATE and encourage all your conservative (noun) friends to do the same. Get on the Rules Committee and the Candidate Selection Committee, the Executive Committee. Run for District/State/National delegate where you CAN be effective at making the GOP more Conservative (noun). Remember it was the GOP COUNTY CHAIRMEN who picked Scarfazzo in NY-23!

I also have a majic jack and made calls for Hoffman in NY-23 election and helped phone bank in various 2008 elections crucial to conservatives. I also give MONEY…lots of money to conservative (noun) candidates.

Going to leave the on the ground grunt work to you young healthy guys and gals. But just wanted to say that I AM proud of the work done when young to change the direction of the country. Besides demonstrating outside the U.S. Embass yhere wouldn’t be very effective as they don’t make Obama policy, just carry it out.

Nothing against Indiana either (MI Grad) The Indiana University Medical Center in Indianapolis saved my life. Had a very rare form of cancer and a doctor there (Dr. Larry Einhorn) had developed a new drug that I was one of the first 300 people to have, Ifosfamide, Almost killed me and damaged my heart and kidneys, only have one of those left and it doesn’t work very well, Also had a 24 hour experimental biopsy surgery there done by a Dr. John Donahue BUT am still breathing almost 23 years later.

Audeamus pro audere est facere

audax, apology gratefully accepted.

HoosierHistorian Saturday, January 2nd at 10:00PM EST (link)

When I mention damaging the unity on the right I do not mean just your or garbear’s comments. Rather I mean all unnecessary insults and infighting. If insults are thrown often enough and by enough people then how can we work together to stop the problem that we all agree needs to be addressed?

As stated in my response on the other thread I had not seen your mea culpa until now and my responses to you had been made prior to your mea culpa. My last comment had been made at 10:21 am whereas your mea culpa was made at 11:29 am over an hour later.

Please be so kind as to check the time stamp before assuming that I am rejecting your mea culpa. I would also request that you allow me the opportunity to respond before assuming that I am being disrespectful.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Hearing footsteps?

Kentucky Scott (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 3:52PM EST (link)

Shortly before the Healthcare votes, a flurry of stories about Evan Bayh’s growing concern deficit spending starting appearing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,580387,00.html

Nothing happens by accident including this appearance on Fox News. My bet is he has some internal polling that he would prefer not be known … democrats of all stripes are vulnerable in 2010 including his pampered behind. It was time to pull out the I am a “conservative” message right before he votes to add another $2.5 trillion of government spending.

It seems to me that we should not assume any Democrat is safe in 2010. I expect Governor Mitch Daniels would have him running for his political life with just a hint of being interested in his seat. This will not be a year where “conventional wisdom” applies to the coming voter revolution.

 

Reps. need money to overcome

renny (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 4:05PM EST (link)

ACORN and fake voter registration that produces voter fraud and winners like Al Franken in the results.

As to other lies, Congress swore last spring to freeze its salary but Sens. and Congressmen will get 2.7% cost of living increases that Bernacke and Geithner say doesn’t exist for seniors on Social Sec.

Who is lying? My esteemed representatives Menendez and Lautenberg (a perpetual weekend at Bernie’s) both make $174,000 and will see their raise take them to c. $178,000–not money that’s going into my pocket.

 

I would love for Bayh to get beat

earlgrey (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 4:16PM EST (link)

I called Pence’s office in IN asking him to run. I also asked the very popular governor of SD to run against Dorgan. It is frustrating that we can’t get good candidates in this of all years.

 

Word here in AR

DerKrieger (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 4:16PM EST (link)

…is that Lincoln got a cushy job offer and won’t be running for reelection, cant yet confirm. I think she need to be brought up on charges.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

I heard that, too.

cari Friday, January 1st at 4:33PM EST (link)

I heard that she’s up for the Secretary of Agriculture. The current secretary is leaving and I think she used to work for that department before becoming a senator.

During the amendment debate on the senate bill, an idea was floating around to add an amendment that would require a 10 year waiting period for any legislator to become employed in any administrative office, including lobbyist, after leaving elected office (or something along thoses lines.) It wouldn’t have passed, of course, but it does expose the problem of paybacks and bribes in exchange for votes.

 
 

Will DeMint and SCF target this race?

Tony82 (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 4:47PM EST (link)

It’s bizarre that Bayh’s seat is not among the top targets this cycle. I got an email a few days ago from the Senate Conservatives Fund about their targets so far this cycle, but Bayh’s seat in Indiana was not among them. I emailed them asking about it, but have not gotten a response yet.

It’s past time for Bayh to answer for his partisan, liberal hackery while representing a conservative state. 2010 is shaping up like the best opportunity to finally take him out. I really hope that conservatives and the GOP do not waste it.

I agree

earlgrey (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 5:01PM EST (link)

It really bothers me that he does not have strong opposition. Anyone supporting this bill is nothing but a liberal. The moderate democrat is extinct.

 

Money changes everything

skepticalmi (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 6:11PM EST (link)

Bayh is sitting on an absolute boatload of cash (nearly $13 million at last count, which is more than he needs to win a race in this state). Between that, conventional wisdom, a lack of a big name candidate, and his relative popularity in the state, it’s probably frightening everyone else away. It’s a pity, since this probably is the best chance to get rid of him.

I must admit, I used to have respect for him. He did seem to be a pretty decent governor, but this is the last straw. There’s nothing I’d like to see more than Bayh being shown the door. Unfortunately, no one seems willing to be up for the task.

This is why I keep pushing Pence

Mayhem (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 7:13PM EST (link)

He’s about the only person in Indiana who can excite the base and bring in national $$. I imagine people from every corner of the country would donate to Pence’s campaign. Bayh may have $13 million, but this is a relatively cheap state to advertise in, so you don’t need much to get your message out. $4-5 million would go a long way.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

 

Message > Money

Tony82 (Diary) Sunday, January 3rd at 1:35AM EST (link)

Money isn’t everything. Bayh, as the incumbent, will have a money advantage over practically anyone, save for a self-funding millionaire.

An incumbent awash in cash is not guaranteed victory. I believe Jon Corzine, Tom Daschle, and Rick Santorum all had more money than their challenges but still lost. Terry McAuliffe lost the Dem primary for VA Governor despite a huge money advantage. Right now, Marco Rubio has pulled even with Charlie Crist, despite Crist having a huge advantage.

What Hostetler, Stutzman, or whoever needs is a compelling argument.

Patrick Ruffini summed this up succinctly: “Underfunded candidates like Rubio don’t need more money now. They need an argument.”

Money certainly does matter, though. But both Bayh and his challenger basically will only need a certain amount to sufficiently disseminate their messages. Any money beyond that point will have diminishing returns.

But the bottom line is that we shouldn’t be giving any Dem — especially Evan Bayh — a free pass because of money concerns.

 
 

Stutzman and SCF

hoosierstate Saturday, January 2nd at 5:44PM EST (link)

I’m told that Marlin has met with DeMint and a possible endorsement is in the works. Your point about limited resources for SCF is true and a major influence into what races they endorse. They got into CA only because the NRSC got involved with Carly. Personally I think SCF is wasting their time in CA when so many other races will be more competitive. Marlin is close with Pence and the Gov so enough money will come for him. He just needs to get past the Primary and then things will start clicking. There is plenty of time to focus on Bayh. Voters don’t get engaged until after Labor Day. Until then I hope Stutzman focuses on builing the biggest grassroots movement possilbe. I’ll take hard work and a large organization over money any day. Money and a big name is not everything … remember Dole from NC. Nobody thought she’d lose to Hagan but she did. I’m just sayin’ …

 
 

2010 state of play in Indiana

Mayhem (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 4:59PM EST (link)

My take is that Bayh will win again simply because the GOP has failed to recruit a top candidate. The one man who could instantly make this race competitive is Mike Pence. Were he to get into the race, I would put the odds at better than even that Bayh would lose. The only other person that might make it competitive is Lt. Gov. Becky Skillman, though she is probably less known throughout the state.

My fear is that Pence has his eyes set on the White House in 2012. I personally have a big problem with congressmen who want to jump straight from the House and into the top job. You really have no business even running for President without more experience. But that is beside the point.

Pence will probably have a lot of populist/conservative backing in the 2012 primaries and I’m guessing he’s finding that very tempting. If he doesn’t run for President, he will run for Governor, though he would likely face a primary with Becky Skillman. If he doesn’t do either of those things, he probably wants to stay in the House and become Speaker one day. It boggles my mind, though, is that there is a prime Senate seat ripe for the taking. If he were “Senator Pence,” he’d have a bigger platform, more credibility, and a better shot at that 2012 race.

That said, Bayh will not easily be reelected in 2010. He’s consistently been voted in with very high numbers. No more. I’m guessing that even with a lackluster GOP challenger, he will probably be hovering around 53-55 percent in this environment. If we want to win this seat, Hostettler is going to have to become credible really fast. Possible, but not probable.

You are right about one thing though: Indiana is about to snap back into the dark red column. 2008 was an aberration if there ever was one. Not only will Barack Obama lose this stat in 2012, but the GOP will win back the Indiana State House of Representatives this November. The only glaring hole in this state is the Bayh Senate race.

The bottom line is, Bayh would lose if the GOP got a really good challenger to run against him (like Pence). As it stands, he probably won’t.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

On Bayh

proudgop (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 5:31PM EST (link)

Bayh can be beaten the problem is he has 13 million in his campaign war chest and has a good image

I would love to see poll on Mitch Daniels against him or even current Treasurer

Indiana will be key race

We can take back 3 house seats under Hill, Donnelly, and Ellsworth too

Daniels

Mayhem (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 7:10PM EST (link)

The Gov will not run against Bayh. He is coy about it, but it sure seems like he’s keeping his options open for 2012. It would have to be Becky Skillman or Mike Pence to make this race competitive.

I too would like to see a poll of Indiana. All the major polling firms seem to be ignoring this state. One bad poll for Bayh would change the game here.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

Lugar

proudgop (Diary) Friday, January 1st at 7:30PM EST (link)

The problem is Lugar is likely to retire soon and you can bet they rather run for open seat too

 
 
 
 

Senate Conservatives Fund

itsjoanne Friday, January 1st at 10:26PM EST (link)

I got that email too, and I’m guessing that due to limited resources they are only going to be targetting a few states they think they can win.

But having said that, California is one on the list, and I would think Indiana, which is much more conservative leaning, would be a better bet.

In any case, Pence would make an awesome senator. As long as he wins. And I do think he would have the best chance in defeating Bayh. Pence would be a shoo in for reelection in the House, but I also feel he has more ambitions than that.

 

Bye bye Bayh!

HoosierHistorian Friday, January 1st at 11:04PM EST (link)

I can’t speak for my fellow Hoosiers, but I saw through Bayh’s facade of moderate when he voted against the confirmation of John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. It was very obvious that Bayh only opposed Roberts in an effort to pander to the far left base of the Democratic Party in order to better position himself to get his party’s nomination for President.

I for one do not appreciate when someone who was sent to represent the state of Indiana in DC plays politics in Supreme Court nomination confirmations. I will actively campaign against Bayh as long as the Indiana GOP nominates a conservative.

Unfortunately the name Bayh in Indiana is like the name Kennedy in Massachusetts. They are viewed by too many as state royalty. It is my fervent hope that the GOP will nominate someone like Pence or Hostettler, whose track records reflect conservative values and a willingness to stand up for the Constitution. Either man has the background and the support needed to defeat Bayh.

 

Senators rarely lose reelection

Adjoran (Diary) Saturday, January 2nd at 3:00AM EST (link)

By the time they are running for a third term, the reelection rate is 99%. Health problems and old age don’t beat sitting Senators. It takes a major scandal or the combination of bad PR and the political tide running the other way.

The big donors and national party groups are hesitant to throw scarce resources into long shots like that. The open seats and Senators up for their first reelection are most vulnerable, and will get the lion’s share of the money because the odds are just much better.

A guy like Ben Nelson may have bought himself a load of trouble with his very public betrayal of pro-life groups and sale of his vote for earmark favors. Bayh has taken great pains to avoid that. The case against him may be just as valid or even more valid, but his fingerprints aren’t all over the bill. It will be a stretch to damage him with it, and there isn’t much else besides a slavish devotion to voting with Obama and Reid, but he’s been pretty much a party-line guy his whole career, and it hasn’t hurt him yet.

tell Birch Bayh that an incumbent can't lose A US Senate seat. nt

pilgrim (Diary) Saturday, January 2nd at 5:56PM EST (link)

Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

 
 

Historically, Indiana has deep Democrat roots

RedBeard Saturday, January 2nd at 9:34AM EST (link)

Despite voting Republican in most recent presidential elections, Indiana has always had a strong tie to the Dem party. This can be traced way back to the days when the Dem party still had some legitimate claim to being the party of the common man (long since gone out the window, of course). And there was a period around the Civil War when a lot of Hoosier sentiment (Copperheads) aligned with southern Democrats. Some folks still vote Democrat just because Daddy and Granddaddy and Great Uncle Harold did.

Today, the labor vote in “The Region” of the northwest corner of the state is still a major factor, sadly. Lots of knee-jerk “I’m a working man so I’m voting Democrat” nonsense. The usual urban liberal warpage is found in Indianapolis, of course. And the pockets of inane leftism surrounding Bloomington and other college towns is pronounced.

Despite those liberal abberations, my prediction is a return to Indiama being bright red in 2012, with 2010 being a precursor.

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Excellent points and true to boot.

HoosierHistorian Saturday, January 2nd at 10:24AM EST (link)

I do hope that you are correct and that Indiana will think more about ideology and less about party loyalty in the future.

 
 

jtkell100

jtkell100 Saturday, January 2nd at 4:06PM EST (link)

This post is not about Bayh but i wanted all the readers of this article to be aware of this also.
The Mass. Senate Race Jan.19.
This is one of the most important Senate races ever in the USA. With only about 25% of the electorate vothing I believe that We, Democrates, Republicans, independents and Tea Party people can win this one and stop the socialist so called health bill. A true health care bill is needed but this is not it. Support for Scott Brown on Jan.19 will stop this nightmare which will destroy State budgets, Medicare, Hospitals, Insurance Companys and Freedom. Elect Scott now to stop this nightmare these politicians have been putting us through. Later you can vote on him again.

 

Bayh's vulnerability is punctuated by his Obamacare vote

RedBeard Sunday, January 3rd at 6:50AM EST (link)

All through his political career, Bayh has worked hard to create a “moderate” or “fiscal conservative” aura around himself. That has always been a false image, something he could hide behind at election time.

But with his open support for the most blatant socialist power grab in history, that false persona is out the window now, and it’s apparent to anyone paying attention.

If the Republican Party can focus and get the message out, Bayh can be beaten.

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a lie???

mackelby Sunday, January 3rd at 3:47PM EST (link)

Surely a politician wouldn’t lie, would he????