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		<title>By: Richard Mullins</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6263</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Mullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or simply stop lumping Republican congressmen/women with those that want to pass a Socialist agenda. Their are at least some member that are committed to the defeat of this agenda, but they could use a little encouragement to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or simply stop lumping Republican congressmen/women with those that want to pass a Socialist agenda. Their are at least some member that are committed to the defeat of this agenda, but they could use a little encouragement to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Lane</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6262</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have outrage to spare after going down your list of Ds... well, let us know: I&#039;m sure that we can find you a few more that you missed the first time.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have outrage to spare after going down your list of Ds&#8230; well, let us know: I&#8217;m sure that we can find you a few more that you missed the first time.  <img src='http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joe_Cor</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6261</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe_Cor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They still are New Toning their way through the socialization of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They still are New Toning their way through the socialization of America.</p>
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		<title>By: alexandriatulips</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6260</link>
		<dc:creator>alexandriatulips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>over at NRO TV - Uncommon Knowledge.

Here&#039;s the first part:

http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/post/?q=OTkzNzE1ZTk5YTIwNzg4MmU4NTJiOWY4MDMyNzhmMjU=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>over at NRO TV &#8211; Uncommon Knowledge.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the first part:</p>
<p>http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/post/?q=OTkzNzE1ZTk5YTIwNzg4MmU4NTJiOWY4MDMyNzhmMjU=</p>
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		<title>By: nessa</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6259</link>
		<dc:creator>nessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it happens.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6258</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t we already know this here?   Now I am waiting to see how long it took her to figure out through an online search that &quot;who&quot; is right and not whom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t we already know this here?   Now I am waiting to see how long it took her to figure out through an online search that &#8220;who&#8221; is right and not whom.</p>
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		<title>By: alexandriatulips</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6256</link>
		<dc:creator>alexandriatulips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cutie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cutie.</p>
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		<title>By: alexandriatulips</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6257</link>
		<dc:creator>alexandriatulips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cutie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cutie.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hinz</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6255</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a-t said &lt;b&gt;was&lt;/b&gt; intelligent.  There is a &lt;b&gt;very&lt;/b&gt; non-democratic [small d] vein in the progressive agenda.

There is little to differentiate a progressive from a Marxist from a Socialist from a Communist.

Their agendas intertwine and their tactics are nearly identical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a-t said <b>was</b> intelligent.  There is a <b>very</b> non-democratic [small d] vein in the progressive agenda.</p>
<p>There is little to differentiate a progressive from a Marxist from a Socialist from a Communist.</p>
<p>Their agendas intertwine and their tactics are nearly identical.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6254</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description></description>
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		<title>By: alexandriatulips</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6253</link>
		<dc:creator>alexandriatulips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you and aaron both - funny guys</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you and aaron both &#8211; funny guys</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6252</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and look at my comments again to make sure that I haven&#039;t overly cruel.  These last three weeks have been very demoralizing for me, I guess my spirit is weak right now.  

Now I will go back and make sure that I have not been too mean.  I really do not want to turn into a curmudgeon, thanks for the notice, Nessa I will ease up a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and look at my comments again to make sure that I haven&#8217;t overly cruel.  These last three weeks have been very demoralizing for me, I guess my spirit is weak right now.  </p>
<p>Now I will go back and make sure that I have not been too mean.  I really do not want to turn into a curmudgeon, thanks for the notice, Nessa I will ease up a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: 10ksnooker</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6251</link>
		<dc:creator>10ksnooker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free health care for all cost so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free health care for all cost so much.</p>
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		<title>By: nessa</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6250</link>
		<dc:creator>nessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;ve been meaner than a fireant the last couple days.  Not that it isn&#039;t entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;ve been meaner than a fireant the last couple days.  Not that it isn&#8217;t entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No retailer will go to the trouble of pricing them differently.

Further, will they tax ethanol?  It&#039;s made from corn squeezin&#039;s.

For those of you who don&#039;t know, Medicare costs each recipient $96.40 per month this year.  Becasue it is available, many companies eliminate some medical insurance benefits for employees and retirees when they reach 65.  You&#039;d better believe that if its equivalent becomes available for the general public that employer-paid medical insurance will soon be a thing of the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No retailer will go to the trouble of pricing them differently.</p>
<p>Further, will they tax ethanol?  It&#8217;s made from corn squeezin&#8217;s.</p>
<p>For those of you who don&#8217;t know, Medicare costs each recipient $96.40 per month this year.  Becasue it is available, many companies eliminate some medical insurance benefits for employees and retirees when they reach 65.  You&#8217;d better believe that if its equivalent becomes available for the general public that employer-paid medical insurance will soon be a thing of the past.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6248</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still waiting for you to add something of value here?  

Doesn&#039;t it suck when people come in and address people out of the blue on a diary.  Here&#039;s your cookie, now I will wait for something that is intelligent or remotely intelligible.  Learn a lesson and pick your fights a little more wisely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still waiting for you to add something of value here?  </p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t it suck when people come in and address people out of the blue on a diary.  Here&#8217;s your cookie, now I will wait for something that is intelligent or remotely intelligible.  Learn a lesson and pick your fights a little more wisely.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6247</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s almost all about &quot;medical insurance,&quot; and the two are not equivalent.  The new plans &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; change the number of people who are covered by some kind of medical insurance, but their health &lt;i&gt;care&lt;/i&gt; will most surely be worse.  In fact, in the real world, &lt;b&gt;it can&#039;t help but make it worse.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s almost all about &#8220;medical insurance,&#8221; and the two are not equivalent.  The new plans <i>might</i> change the number of people who are covered by some kind of medical insurance, but their health <i>care</i> will most surely be worse.  In fact, in the real world, <b>it can&#8217;t help but make it worse.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6246</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She said, &quot;You don&#039;t like our questions because you don&#039;t have any answers.&quot;  [inexact quote]

In this case, they have an answer but don&#039;t want us to hear it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She said, &#8220;You don&#8217;t like our questions because you don&#8217;t have any answers.&#8221;  [inexact quote]</p>
<p>In this case, they have an answer but don&#8217;t want us to hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: alexandriatulips</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6245</link>
		<dc:creator>alexandriatulips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They don&#039;t believe in democratic processes -  they believe only in their agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don&#8217;t believe in democratic processes &#8211;  they believe only in their agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: paulincolo</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6244</link>
		<dc:creator>paulincolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Congress created the Medicare program in 1965, the CBO projected cost in 1990 was $9 billion. The true cost in 1990 was $67 billion, 7.4 times higher.

In 1987 Congress added a generous special hospitals subsidy to Medicare. The estimated cost was $100 million a year by 1992. The actual cost in 1992 was $11 billion. In 1988 Congress expanded Medicare again to include a home care program. Lawmakers expected the new program to cost $4 billion in 1993. The true cost that year was $10 billion.

If they tell us it will be $1 trillion, it will end up $4T.  It doesn&#039;t matter how they score it, it will be severely underestimated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Congress created the Medicare program in 1965, the CBO projected cost in 1990 was $9 billion. The true cost in 1990 was $67 billion, 7.4 times higher.</p>
<p>In 1987 Congress added a generous special hospitals subsidy to Medicare. The estimated cost was $100 million a year by 1992. The actual cost in 1992 was $11 billion. In 1988 Congress expanded Medicare again to include a home care program. Lawmakers expected the new program to cost $4 billion in 1993. The true cost that year was $10 billion.</p>
<p>If they tell us it will be $1 trillion, it will end up $4T.  It doesn&#8217;t matter how they score it, it will be severely underestimated.</p>
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