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		<title>By: The_Gadfly</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6271</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your thread pretty much sums it up.</description>
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		<title>By: The_Gadfly</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6270</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and it doesn&#039;t mean a d*mn thing to the average voter. To him RNC, NRSC, NRCC, they ARE all the same thing: the legalistically separated but functionally single entity. (At some point in my life I was a member of the RNC and got the NRSC and NRCC mailers too. Not a bit of difference between them.) And they aren&#039;t doing what the general voting public wants them to do: nominate conservative Republicans to win.

You may not like those facts, but facts they remain. I work the Help Desk. I don&#039;t like the fact that everybody regards anyone from the Help Desk as everyone from the Help Desk (and yes I&#039;ve had people give me the name of black technicians as the person who visited them when it was a white technician and vice versa), but there it is.

It&#039;s not inta-party water polo, it is the core argument that nobody in lthe Republican leadership wants to deal with, including you it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and it doesn&#8217;t mean a d*mn thing to the average voter. To him RNC, NRSC, NRCC, they ARE all the same thing: the legalistically separated but functionally single entity. (At some point in my life I was a member of the RNC and got the NRSC and NRCC mailers too. Not a bit of difference between them.) And they aren&#8217;t doing what the general voting public wants them to do: nominate conservative Republicans to win.</p>
<p>You may not like those facts, but facts they remain. I work the Help Desk. I don&#8217;t like the fact that everybody regards anyone from the Help Desk as everyone from the Help Desk (and yes I&#8217;ve had people give me the name of black technicians as the person who visited them when it was a white technician and vice versa), but there it is.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not inta-party water polo, it is the core argument that nobody in lthe Republican leadership wants to deal with, including you it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Gadfly</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6269</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But then I&#039;m one of the few who think that part of the reason Santorum lost was because when the party told him to back Specter against Toomey he didn&#039;t tell them to take a hike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But then I&#8217;m one of the few who think that part of the reason Santorum lost was because when the party told him to back Specter against Toomey he didn&#8217;t tell them to take a hike.</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6237</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6236</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Scope</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6230</link>
		<dc:creator>Scope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never had that thought in my mind.  In fact both you and EPU are some of my favorite diarists and commenters here.  I am of like mind on most of what you both write.  Seeing how the conversation was going above, I was in fear that one of you would be banned, and that would have been a very sad day on RS.  Since the Palin announcement on Friday, the whole site seems to be on fire with those for and against.  One of my biggest observations is that Palin still has the ability to get a rise out of everyone, both those that hate her and those that love her.  She can still work a crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never had that thought in my mind.  In fact both you and EPU are some of my favorite diarists and commenters here.  I am of like mind on most of what you both write.  Seeing how the conversation was going above, I was in fear that one of you would be banned, and that would have been a very sad day on RS.  Since the Palin announcement on Friday, the whole site seems to be on fire with those for and against.  One of my biggest observations is that Palin still has the ability to get a rise out of everyone, both those that hate her and those that love her.  She can still work a crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: kyle8</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6229</link>
		<dc:creator>kyle8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes anybody think the Democrats will not just screw us again in the next election with their crossover vote?  Why hasn&#039;t Steele done something about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes anybody think the Democrats will not just screw us again in the next election with their crossover vote?  Why hasn&#8217;t Steele done something about this?</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6228</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apparently missed out on the flame wars you are mentioning here, (Thank goodness because I&#039;d be target #1), and don&#039;t know the context but you misread me if you think I was slamming EPU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apparently missed out on the flame wars you are mentioning here, (Thank goodness because I&#8217;d be target #1), and don&#8217;t know the context but you misread me if you think I was slamming EPU.</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6227</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all of which have open primaries where Democrats can cross over and help our most liberal candidates win the nomination. McCain had the entire Republican Establishment on board with him from the start. He was their favorite since 2000 and they rigged the game for him...it&#039;s plain for all to see</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all of which have open primaries where Democrats can cross over and help our most liberal candidates win the nomination. McCain had the entire Republican Establishment on board with him from the start. He was their favorite since 2000 and they rigged the game for him&#8230;it&#8217;s plain for all to see</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6226</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...I do...but I really don&#039;t want to continue this. I said Party meaning the party apparatus as a whole...including those that are designed to help the Party...the NRSC, the NRCC, etc. You&#039;re the one that&#039;s redefining terms and narrowing Party to mean the RNC only...

What I find interesting in all this is that we had a di9scussion a couple of weeks ago and you know full well Leon restricted me from engagin in it or be banned permanently yet in almost every thread I&#039;ve participate in since, you keep trying to drag me into the same discussion...I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s on purpose...or if you are trying to get me to pull the trigger on myself...whatever the reason...this ends here for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;I do&#8230;but I really don&#8217;t want to continue this. I said Party meaning the party apparatus as a whole&#8230;including those that are designed to help the Party&#8230;the NRSC, the NRCC, etc. You&#8217;re the one that&#8217;s redefining terms and narrowing Party to mean the RNC only&#8230;</p>
<p>What I find interesting in all this is that we had a di9scussion a couple of weeks ago and you know full well Leon restricted me from engagin in it or be banned permanently yet in almost every thread I&#8217;ve participate in since, you keep trying to drag me into the same discussion&#8230;I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s on purpose&#8230;or if you are trying to get me to pull the trigger on myself&#8230;whatever the reason&#8230;this ends here for me!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6225</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess in your mind, honest debate is where you get to define what words mean, and change them as they suit you.  Anyone who tries to go with standard meanings is dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess in your mind, honest debate is where you get to define what words mean, and change them as they suit you.  Anyone who tries to go with standard meanings is dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: avgamerican</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6224</link>
		<dc:creator>avgamerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right. I don&#039;t care what the polls show. Americans are not growing more conservative. The demographics heavily favor what we have in office now. Many in this site may be in denial, but I think it is because we differ on what a true conservative is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right. I don&#8217;t care what the polls show. Americans are not growing more conservative. The demographics heavily favor what we have in office now. Many in this site may be in denial, but I think it is because we differ on what a true conservative is.</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6223</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and there is plenty of clear thought to be gleaned from it if you&#039;re interested in honest debate...which you clearly are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and there is plenty of clear thought to be gleaned from it if you&#8217;re interested in honest debate&#8230;which you clearly are not.</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6222</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the Republican could do more harm to the party in office than the Dem...I haven&#039;t run across an instance where that would be the case. and if I ever do...I&#039;ll be sure and let you know.

As for the rest of this discussion, I&#039;m being quoted as saying something that I didn&#039;t say. I&#039;ve also been down the road you and Neil seem to be taking me down. my first couple months here at Red State I had certain people leading me down threads of discussion that put me in a hole and I can tell when landmines are being laid in my path as a result. I&#039;m not playing this game any more so you guys can just quit planting the bait.

I&#039;ll close by saying this...I am a Republican...I put only my God, My Family and my Country represented by what it has traditionally stood for and the Conservative principles I hold as a result above the Party...but little else. I take a back seat to few here in my work for this party...I know there are those here who are higher up in the Hierarchy than I but I have a resume and have earned my bones on the ground. 

Somehow...Someone around here has gotten the idea that they know what&#039;s best for the Party and if any of us disagrees with them then we&#039;re worthy of banishment to the nether regions. I have the same goals as they only different ideas about how we achieve those goals. Whether you want to believe it or not, I want what&#039;s best for this party as much as anyone here. I don&#039;t see what we gain from promoting people who betray the party and it&#039;s principles while you and Neil seem to think that&#039;s fine. I don&#039;t agree but that&#039;s where it stands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Republican could do more harm to the party in office than the Dem&#8230;I haven&#8217;t run across an instance where that would be the case. and if I ever do&#8230;I&#8217;ll be sure and let you know.</p>
<p>As for the rest of this discussion, I&#8217;m being quoted as saying something that I didn&#8217;t say. I&#8217;ve also been down the road you and Neil seem to be taking me down. my first couple months here at Red State I had certain people leading me down threads of discussion that put me in a hole and I can tell when landmines are being laid in my path as a result. I&#8217;m not playing this game any more so you guys can just quit planting the bait.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll close by saying this&#8230;I am a Republican&#8230;I put only my God, My Family and my Country represented by what it has traditionally stood for and the Conservative principles I hold as a result above the Party&#8230;but little else. I take a back seat to few here in my work for this party&#8230;I know there are those here who are higher up in the Hierarchy than I but I have a resume and have earned my bones on the ground. </p>
<p>Somehow&#8230;Someone around here has gotten the idea that they know what&#8217;s best for the Party and if any of us disagrees with them then we&#8217;re worthy of banishment to the nether regions. I have the same goals as they only different ideas about how we achieve those goals. Whether you want to believe it or not, I want what&#8217;s best for this party as much as anyone here. I don&#8217;t see what we gain from promoting people who betray the party and it&#8217;s principles while you and Neil seem to think that&#8217;s fine. I don&#8217;t agree but that&#8217;s where it stands.</p>
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		<title>By: $peciallist</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6221</link>
		<dc:creator>$peciallist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>np</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>np</p>
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		<title>By: bs</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6220</link>
		<dc:creator>bs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can appeal via contact@redstate.com.  Happens frequently...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can appeal via contact@redstate.com.  Happens frequently&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6219</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so what&#039;s your point Neil?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so what&#8217;s your point Neil?</p>
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		<title>By: George Claghorn</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6218</link>
		<dc:creator>George Claghorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Please explain in your one post&quot; == &quot;Please explain in your next post&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Please explain in your one post&#8221; == &#8220;Please explain in your next post&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: George Claghorn</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6217</link>
		<dc:creator>George Claghorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I.E., &quot;What do you mean by this?  Please explain in your one post.&quot;  And they typically respond with more trollish a**hattery.

But I&#039;m not a moderator, and this is just what I&#039;ve observed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I.E., &#8220;What do you mean by this?  Please explain in your one post.&#8221;  And they typically respond with more trollish a**hattery.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not a moderator, and this is just what I&#8217;ve observed.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/06/gallup-americans-becoming-more-conservative/#comment-6216</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now why did I use Mr. Stevens, well I am afraid an anvil might drop on my head after I make one small note, I think haste may have been used in the last couple days regarding the heated discussion about Sarah Palin and the resultant disabling of accounts.  

I am not saying that those accounts were not justifiably disabled because of the heated discussion, but rather are those usernames which were deactivated allowed to explain themselves and ask to be reinstated by email?  I think cooler heads should have prevailed, but then again I have been known to get very heated as well.  That is all, I was going to look for an open thread but unfortunately I could not find one quickly.  

Anyway, what do I know, I can only detect those trolls that really are here for other reasons than to contribute (i.e. short posting history, or a history of stupid left talking points).  

I will wait for the New RS laser beams to shoot through the my monitor, I registerd MO.  Now I can get back to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now why did I use Mr. Stevens, well I am afraid an anvil might drop on my head after I make one small note, I think haste may have been used in the last couple days regarding the heated discussion about Sarah Palin and the resultant disabling of accounts.  </p>
<p>I am not saying that those accounts were not justifiably disabled because of the heated discussion, but rather are those usernames which were deactivated allowed to explain themselves and ask to be reinstated by email?  I think cooler heads should have prevailed, but then again I have been known to get very heated as well.  That is all, I was going to look for an open thread but unfortunately I could not find one quickly.  </p>
<p>Anyway, what do I know, I can only detect those trolls that really are here for other reasons than to contribute (i.e. short posting history, or a history of stupid left talking points).  </p>
<p>I will wait for the New RS laser beams to shoot through the my monitor, I registerd MO.  Now I can get back to work.</p>
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