Democrats Debate How to Raise $600 Billion for Health Care


A VAT, Health Care Taxes, Income Taxes, Soda Taxes... ALL Might be Needed to Pay for Obamacare

As the old saying goes, you can pick your poison. But now matter how you slice it, taking over health care and creating a government-run plan is going to be very expensive. Charlie Rangel and the Democrats might start by taxing Medicare for $344 billion in new taxes, then adding a new tax on soda for $112 billion, a new alcohol tax for $61 billion, and a new tax on employer-provided health care for $200 billion – but that still leaves them more than $3 trillion short.

Nevertheless, they are gamely going at it – studying all the possible ways they can think of to gouge you for the privilege of ruining your health care:

Every one of House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel’s proposed options is controversial, and runs the risk of angering interest groups ranging from the small business lobby to the moribund newspaper industry. Rangel is considering a new $37.5 billion tax raised by denying deductions taken by pharmaceutical companies for prescription drug advertising expenses, for example…

Taxing employer-provided health coverage in excess of federal employee benefits is an option described, although clearly not the preferred one in the House. Unions oppose that plan, which has more momentum in the Senate…

The Ways and Means paper assumes the entire $600 billion in new taxes would begin to take effect on Jan. 1, 2013. A 2 percent surtax on individuals earning more than $200,000 and households with $250,000 or more in adjusted gross income would raise $256 billion.

That would be in keeping with President Obama’s pledge not to raise taxes on all but the wealthiest households, and the 2013 effective date assumes the nation would be out of recession. But many small-business owners are already chafing at seeing the top tax rates hiked to 36 percent and 39.6 percent in 2011 under Obama’s budget plan. [How many small businesses would survive when their marginal rate goes from 36% to nearly 42%? - bf]

Rangel’s paper couples the 2 percent surtax with a 0.375 percent increase in the Medicare tax on both employers and employees, estimated to raise $344 billion — also likely to cause problems with the small business lobby and perhaps liberal interest groups that argue it is a regressive tax. Currently, employers and employees each pay a 1.45 percent tax to fund Medicare; the 1993 budget bill repealed the cap on income subject to the Medicare tax.

The options paper appears to recognize that raising the Medicare tax might be politically untenable. If that is the case, as a fallback the Ways and Means document suggests a number of revenue-replacing options, including limiting the tax exclusion and a $200 billion proposal to add a new 3 percent payroll tax on employers’ healthcare spending. The paper argues that employers would essentially come out even, because they would be saving money on employees’ health care under the overhaul bill…

Two other options — a value-added tax on goods and services, and a 0.65 percent increase in the Medicare tax — each could potentially raise the entire $600 billion without having to tinker with other areas of the tax code…

Rep. Allyson Schwartz, D-Pa., plugged her own plan at Tuesday’s meeting: a 10-cent tax on each 12-ounce container of a sugar-sweetened beverage like nondiet soda. That would raise $112 billion, the options paper said. “I was told by my dad not to drink sugary sodas my whole life, and I turned out all right,” Schwartz said. “This [tax] would make it a real treat.”

For Democrats, this is the fun part of the job – deciding whom to punish with higher taxes. No one shows that better than Rep. Schwartz, who wants us all to enjoy the fun that comes with high soda prices. And while she’s only talking about soda (for now), just remember that a VAT tax, higher costs for health care, and higher energy costs (thanks to cap-and-tax), will raise the price for all commodities. So while the only product she’s directly increasing the cost of is soda, her votes will yield higher prices for everything you buy.

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When Cdemocrats figure how to raise the $600 billion

bobojake (Diary) Wednesday, June 17th at 3:45PM EST (link)

then they better figure out how to raise the other trillion cause we are not buying into obama-reid-peloski steal the taxpayers great grand children program.

 

They could repeal Porkulus

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, June 17th at 3:57PM EST (link)

since most of that is scheduled to be spent in 2011-2012. That would free up about $800bil right there.

Yeah. Watch THAT happen.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 

Here is how to raise $600 Billion

izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, June 17th at 4:32PM EST (link)

Fire Obama

Repeal the Stimulus

Defund the UN

Cut Capital Gains taxes

Kill Cap & Trade

Cut back on social programs

Cut the corporate tax rate to 20%

Reform Social Security

Reform MediCare

Kill all Earmarks in any bills

Kill ACORN

Get rid of the Federal Reserve

Kill Sarbanes-Oxley Compliance

Kill the death tax

Scale back the EPA

Sell General Motors

Sell Chrysler

Let bad banks go bankrupt

No mortgage assistant programs

AND this is what I would do if I were President

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

You got my vote. nt

itrytobenice (Diary) Thursday, June 18th at 10:32AM EST (link)

Proper grammar saves lives.

Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.


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Obama tax cut promises

bk (Diary) Wednesday, June 17th at 4:55PM EST (link)

From the first debate: “Here’s what I can tell the American people: 95 percent of you will get a tax cut. And if you make less than $250,000, less than a quarter-million dollars a year, then you will not see one dime’s worth of tax increase.”

From the second debate: “If you make less than a quarter of a million dollars a year, you will not see a single dime of your taxes go up. If you make $200,000 a year or less, your taxes will go down.”

From the third debate: “What I’ve said is I want to provide a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans, 95 percent. If you make more — if you make less than a quarter million dollars a year, then you will not see your income tax go up, your capital gains tax go up, your payroll tax. Not one dime.”

oops must have messed up that second close tag

bk (Diary) Wednesday, June 17th at 4:56PM EST (link)

Obama promises on health care premiums

bk (Diary) Wednesday, June 17th at 5:02PM EST (link)

From the second debate: “So here’s what I would do. If you’ve got health care already, and probably the majority of you do, then you can keep your plan if you are satisfied with it. You can keep your choice of doctor. We’re going to work with your employer to lower the cost of your premiums by up to $2,500 a year.”

From the third debate: “So here’s what my plan does. If you have health insurance, then you don’t have to do anything. If you’ve got health insurance through your employer, you can keep your health insurance, keep your choice of doctor, keep your plan.

The only thing we’re going to try to do is lower costs so that those cost savings are passed onto you. And we estimate we can cut the average family’s premium by about $2,500 per year.”

 

Might as well include Biden's debate comments as well

bk (Diary) Thursday, June 18th at 2:52AM EST (link)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript/

“No one making less than $250,000 under Barack Obama’s plan will see one single penny of their tax raised whether it’s their capital gains tax, their income tax, investment tax, any tax. And 95 percent of the people in the United States of America making less than $150,000 will get a tax break.”

“…Number two fact, 95 percent of the small businesses in America, their owners make less than $250,000 a year. They would not get one single solitary penny increase in taxes, those small businesses.”

 
 

Pay.Own.Taxes. --nt--

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Wednesday, June 17th at 5:12PM EST (link)

555

Brian Faughnan (Diary) Wednesday, June 17th at 8:49PM EST (link)

5+ nt

Caleb Howe (Diary) Wednesday, June 17th at 10:01PM EST (link)

nt

Caleb Howe (formerly known as absentee)

 

Damn Right ^5 n/t

ATLconservative Thursday, June 18th at 10:53AM EST (link)
 

A House Divided

DerKrieger (Diary) Wednesday, June 17th at 8:58PM EST (link)

That’s what we have. I’m ready to split this country down the middle and let the Left create it’s Dystopia and collapse under its own weight.

I will not be made into a slave.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

Like [Heck] We Will!

IJB Wednesday, June 17th at 10:37PM EST (link)

The Left doesn’t get one square inch of this country, AFAIAC!

We must drive them into the sea before that happens!

 
 

The Einsteins Could Try Taxing All of the People Not Currently Paying Fed Income Taxes

IJB Wednesday, June 17th at 10:35PM EST (link)

Just extend the 15% tax rate down to, what?, $25,000? $20,000, in annual income! Make it $15,000!!

Heck, they could extend the 27% tax rate down to that instead!!

What? Never happen?! I wonder why??!!….

 

You know, I remember the Dems going crazy about a VAT

Raven (Diary) Thursday, June 18th at 2:41AM EST (link)

Just a few months ago when they were accusing McCain of proposing one even though he wasn’t…

“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36

 

We will make healthcare more efficient and and less expensive

olsmithie (Diary) Thursday, June 18th at 11:08PM EST (link)

if you don’t count the extra 600 Billion or maybe a 1 Trillion 600 Billion.

I have to keep reminding myself that as soon as Obama told the first lie, he became a liar,
He broke the needle on my “Lie-O-Meter” long before he was elected.

We must not lose sight of the fact that this is not about fixing health care, it is about nationalizing 1/5 th of the American economy. (on top of what he has already hijacked.)

Regards