Run, don’t walk, to your nearest library and pick up a copy of Atlas Shrugged in Braille or on tape…

And he plans to exacerbate that flight with more taxation and oppressive government policy. Talk about unclear on the concept.

There was news in the local paper this week that a major employer in Port Jervis is considering a move to El Paso, TX.

CEO of Kolmar Labs stated that New York was “not friendly to business.”

See: http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090402/NEWS/904020334

It is important to note that Port Jervis is not only in business unfriendly New York, but also in Orange County and the NY-19 Congressional District, both of which are experiencing blue shift.

There was news in the local paper this week that a major employer in Port Jervis is considering a move to El Paso, TX.

CEO of Kolmar Labs stated that New York was “not friendly to business.”

See: http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090402/NEWS/904020334

It is important to note that Port Jervis is not only in business unfriendly New York, but also in Orange County and the NY-19 Congressional District, both of which are experiencing blue shift.

My only problem with an exodus is people is they tend to take their blue-state voting habits with them. They’re like locusts, they ruin one state, and them move on to the next one.

I live in AZ, which used to be quite conservative and pro-business, but people from places like California and Illinois have moved here in droves and have turned the state “purple.”

I am glad affluent voters are starting to see the consequence of electing Democrats. Wealthier people in affluent suburbs had been moving into the Democrat Party at an alarming rate (mainly because of social issues, imo) I’m glad they’re starting to see that Liberal policies actually DO hurt their well being.

Guns don’t kill people. Bad, crazy people do. If you want to save lives outlaw cars. They kill more people than guns do. This guy would have killed people with what ever he had if really wanted to kill people. He could have used his car if he did not have a gun.

http://franklinslocke.blogspot.com/

That little guy would be lost without his many writers. He is hopelessly unfunny without his cue cards.

It’s beginning to occur to people in upstate that the writing is on the wall. It isn’t only people who make over $250,000 that are going to be hit hard with more Democratically inspired taxes from albany, but everyone who pays for electricity, natural gas, gas at the pumps, resigration fees for their cards, sales taxes, property taxes (out of sight in NY – upstate and NYC). Upstate is a different world than NYC – - there’s little in common between the cultures and quite frankly elitist attitudes from NYC that I’ve never quite understood.

The population is actually decreasing for years and has been under the oppression of taxes. Industries have left, and residents are looking at costs to live in homes that are already paid for that will put them into bankruptcy.

Should Paterson and the liberals laugh at Rush leaving – - God no!!!! It’s no joke for any of us and hopefully it will be no joke for Paterson when he gets his rearend handed to him at the next election.

You’ll find the states with the highest growth are the ones with the lowest taxes and right to work (non-union) laws. The problem is that Zero wants to make the rest of the USA look like Michigan, New York, Illinois, Mass. and California.

If Patterson thinks that New York (really meaning NYC) is so special that people will pay what ever preminm asked, he may have another thing coming. With the expansion of technology business is becoming more fungible and can be conducted anywhere. If I ran a hedge fund there would be no reason to be in NYC as trades can be made from anywhere at anytime.

Has his own firm and is looking to move to the midwest/south. His business pretty much demands a heavily populated area, so he is looking at Little Rock or Nashville.

It is the fear of them that causes the “red flight” described above. It is the fear of the flight/loss of business which allows politicians to override community concerns and infrastructure issues, It also creates a non-thinking response to the what and why of taxes in the first place. Apparently no one here noticed that a majority of the voters in the US voted in favor of changing them.

In one or two comments above the writers conflated (I love that word’s resemblance to flatulence) individuals who make over $250K and small businesses which make over $250k. But under current tax law and definitely under Mr. Obama’s administration they are NOT the same.

Also, while the reason folks might choose to flee (other than Rush’s thinly disguised need for attention) instead of pay a slightly higher share to stay, is an understandable choice. Using that same reason to bludgeon voters into lowering taxes to keep them is actually unethical and borders on the immoral. I know it is and has been a common practice. I live in Northern San Diego County where the housing boom has produced thousands of over-priced homes, extremely crowded roadways, and an ever widening shortage of energy, water, trash facilities, and now jobs. All because we let the politicians operate on the principal attracting of BUSINESS in the name of lower taxes.

On the other side of this arguement may not be the laughter that your headline suggests. It may be relief that finally we may be see an economic reason for using the ideas of LESS IS more. And oh yeah, maybe the idea that someone would leave NYC for El Paso.

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was how pissed I would be if I were a NYer that this idiot would think to tax me for one minute just to get rid of one citizen! very ignorant.

(except perhaps, those in the movie industry) are packing up and getting out. California began experiencing negative population growth in the nineties, and it is accelerating at a rate the Governator can’t even track. It would be even worse were it not for the rise in the illegal population. Unfortunately for CA, they are a much larger drag on the economy than a boon.

The Coastie governments just can’t wrap their heads around the idea that you have to actually produce largess before you can redistribute it.

and the description of the “Ecotopian” nation, of which CA is a major part. These people have become phenomenally wealthy in the processing of wealth generated in the other “Nations.” Particularly CA has benefited from the natural wealth of the “Empty Quarter” comprising the InterMountain West, Canada’s Western provinces, and Alaska. It’s some interesting, if very lefty, reading.

Tough to live in. This state believes in picking pockets of citizens and businesses alike.
Tough to do business in. This is one of the most unfriendly states to do business in. This is one state where state has to give money to a business to setup shop here. There have been talks about AMD setting up a plant here for years now. State has to pay money to do that. Crazy… isn’t it? http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/stories/2009/03/16/daily56.html

I have a few friends who took transfers to New Jersey office of a company instead of working in NYC office. They had an option and they jumped at it.

Flight of business and individual from NY is a real threat.

While it’s wonderful to dream that enough people will leave to wake those who are left up to effect a good change, it’s not going to happen. As a conservative in California, a very depressed conservative right now, this is what will happen. A few people will leave, yeah, but even if it does effect revenue the effect will be denied. And the rest of the people who will never leave because, after all, IT”S NEW YORK will soldier on. The mindless morons who vote democrat will still be there in the majority and they will keep voting democrat. New York/California California/New York, same thing. Here, the morons keep checking the “d” column in state elections giving up the highest taxes in the country and they keep embarassing us on the national level by sending Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi back to Washington.
Right now, I have faith in God, but absolutly no faith in a country that can elect an inexperienced Obama to the highest office in the land and continue to slobber over him as if he were a rock star even though it’s embaarassingly apparent he’s an idiot and a dangerous one at that. We’re lost.

It’s hard to leave a place, and it’s unlikely that a mass exodus will ensue just because income taxes go up a few points. I think the argument that a high or increased state tax rate is a bad idea because it will cause an exodus is not a strong one. There will be some incremental out migration to be sure, but it’s unlikely to be swift or pronounced enough to make a point, and there is a large percentage of the population who will simply wish upper middle class strivers good riddance. The better arguments against these policies are (1) they diminish economic growth, in the sense that they simply reduce the size of the private economy relative to the government sector with all that implies, and (2) they make it very unlikely that high income strivers or businesses will relocate (or expand) in your state. Whether or not NJ’s 10.25% income tax causes UHauls to be loaded up is besides the point. Economic activity is not static. At any given time businesses and individuals make decisions about how they will allocate capital. You would have to be nuts to expand a business in NJ or move a business to NJ or settle in NJ after speaking to a tax accountant for 5 minutes, subject to having some specific need to be in the place. Whether a family with 20 year roots in the state can leave is another story entirely, that family is more or less a prisoner to the polity and will likely suck up a lot of bad policies before moving (though retirement locations are pretty much a one way street to 0% income tax Florida).

Of course, the real argument against these taxes, is not really an economic growth argument at all. And it’s probably not a winning one, but we know what it is. The argument is: that government which governs best is that which governs least. Taxes are necessary, but the government should be motivated by a desire to do a few limited things very well (including ensuring that the unfortunate are provided enough), not everything always, and not with an eye to constant expansion. That work is hard. It’s risky, it’s draining, it’s unpleasant, it’s an imposition. Being forced to undertake that toil for 4, 5, 6, 7 months of the year and hand it to the tax man — rather than retain dominion over it to be allocated as you choose — is simply immoral. Our domestic and international situation is parlous. It’s always parlous, but there’s no reason why the government can handle its obligations with say 1/3 of an upper income person’s income, rather than 1/2 or more. That’s the real argument, and it’s a shame that it’s out of intellectual fashion.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090404/us_nm/us_media_newyorktimes_globe

The main tenent of libralism is the we are all equal. The problem with that is in the USA is we are the “The Unied States” of America, meaning we are a collection of states with disparate laws, and tax policy. It is not always the tax issue that makes certain states and cities more successful for busines, in many cases it is labor laws, tort policy, or other issues that have an impact on business.

Not saying we need to re-fight the Civil War, sans the slavery issue, but in many ways that is where we are headed. The typical northern (and west coast) economy is now at such a disadvantage to the typical southern and middle American economies, due to tax, labor, and legislative laws, they can’t compete; see what is happening with the Big Three and the UAW vs. the foreign auto makers in the south. The foreign makers had a choice to locate any where and we see what they chose.The libral solution appears to be to impose their brand of libralism onto everyone else so they can compete.

The battle in America is going to be north vs. south and if we are all lucky the south will win this time.

PS. These comments do not reflect any sort of racial bias or bigotry related to the Civil War and should not be taken as such.

You can check out anytime you like but never leave!

I was reading the book “regan in his own words” today and he was talking about NY state back in the 70′s
Pretty much the exact thing as today, over taxed with more public workers per capita then people that work there. The more things change ………………

you know the rest….

I dont know if anyone has mentioned this in the large number of responses, I apologize, but I think there needs to be a movement and Rush could easily be the leader. People of productivity have already been leaving NYC because of various oppressing taxes and its only going to increase with the new litany of taxes. With a little poking, proding, and some well placed TV ads, NYC could quickly be reduced to the status of a parasite whose host just died.

So start small. If you know someone who lives in NYC, or New York State, you should lobby them to leave. If you have business connections help find people jobs, hell advertise on the NYC craigslist, in the post list the tax differences as well as info about the jobs.

My sister in laws parents just left Long Island for north carolina specifically because of taxes and the cost of living (in addition to the warmer weather and golf in NC). There will be a tipping point and if history tells us anything these increased taxes will lead to less revenue which will lead to increased taxes. The snake is eating its tail already with a little help NYC will be from bad to worse real quick.

Hopefully NYC will do what it did before when things looked back, elect a common sense Republican to clean up a liberals mess. It could happen around an election year maybe? Could serve as a good example of what conservative principles can do to foster real economic growth.

just a thought

Business leaders will either
1. leave the state for a better tax environment
2..appeal to the government for special upport, ie bailout, tax subsidy.
Workers will either
1.leave the state to find work
2. find a government teat to suckle.

Those who chose the first options would likely vote republican, but will no longer be in NY. Those who chose the second options will not likely vote to cut themselves off, and Democrats will remain in power until the bottom falls off completely. Unfortunately, states like CA and NY will be propped up by the feds so the whole country will have to go down the tubes before enough people wake up. Also, states like NY and CA will continue to welcome Illegal Aliens to bolster their electoral power.

But there is still hope. In the Senate, poplulation doesn’t matter.

The foresight of our founding fathers was incredible. The Senate will be the thread our country hangs on after the Democrats have done their worst. If the Senate fails, and it could if California is split to create another state and DC is given seats in the Senate, then the 2nd amendment may be our only chance to retain the land we love.

We cannot compromise on anything that would increase Democratic power in the senate, or diminish the 2nd emendment.