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		<title>By: JHancock</title>
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		<dc:creator>JHancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 01:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that Obama doesn&#039;t want economicaly viable companies, but government dependance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that Obama doesn&#8217;t want economicaly viable companies, but government dependance</p>
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		<title>By: 1stRichard</title>
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		<dc:creator>1stRichard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diesel efficiency has also been around for a long time and 235 MPG diesel cars are a reality, it’s not a Hybrid. Yet we are hounded that we must drive cars like the Toyota Prius hybrid that gets 46 MPG. But we can’t drive these more efficient diesel cars because they don’t pass in the five states that follow California clean-air regulations.  

http://gas2.org/2008/05/07/vw-confirms-1l-concept-will-become-reality-in-2010/ 

All Electric and Electric Hybrids, look at the basic physics of overall energy consumption. The overall energy consumption is power from the grid stored in a battery and/or from a fuel. The overall energy needed to get a car from point A to point B is determined by its coefficient of drag and weight.  From one US gallon of fuel or about 7.3 lb (using above as an example) it is possible to get 235 miles. Is it possible to get 235 miles out of a 7.3 lb battery, no? How much more would a battery weigh thus consuming more energy to go 235 miles? Therein the weight of a battery is an issue, energy costs be it from the pump or from your electric bill. Battery power is not green because it uses more energy. We should be talking about conserving instead of spreading it around, heck “spreading it around” now where did hear that from. Throwing more money at this problem will not solve it any time soon yet the stimulus bill has $2,000,000,000 for a battery. And now no more Chevy Volt?  

We need a new government, heck what a mess…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diesel efficiency has also been around for a long time and 235 MPG diesel cars are a reality, it’s not a Hybrid. Yet we are hounded that we must drive cars like the Toyota Prius hybrid that gets 46 MPG. But we can’t drive these more efficient diesel cars because they don’t pass in the five states that follow California clean-air regulations.  </p>
<p>http://gas2.org/2008/05/07/vw-confirms-1l-concept-will-become-reality-in-2010/ </p>
<p>All Electric and Electric Hybrids, look at the basic physics of overall energy consumption. The overall energy consumption is power from the grid stored in a battery and/or from a fuel. The overall energy needed to get a car from point A to point B is determined by its coefficient of drag and weight.  From one US gallon of fuel or about 7.3 lb (using above as an example) it is possible to get 235 miles. Is it possible to get 235 miles out of a 7.3 lb battery, no? How much more would a battery weigh thus consuming more energy to go 235 miles? Therein the weight of a battery is an issue, energy costs be it from the pump or from your electric bill. Battery power is not green because it uses more energy. We should be talking about conserving instead of spreading it around, heck “spreading it around” now where did hear that from. Throwing more money at this problem will not solve it any time soon yet the stimulus bill has $2,000,000,000 for a battery. And now no more Chevy Volt?  </p>
<p>We need a new government, heck what a mess…</p>
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		<title>By: dmartin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/03/31/barry-o-kills-the-chevy-volt/#comment-4289</link>
		<dc:creator>dmartin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While the volt holds promise it will likely be too expensive to be commercially successfull in the short term&quot;

This is why governments cant run businesses, the inability to think in the long term. Using this logic there would be no such thing as television, cell phones, or computers, or almost any other technological inovation for that matter.

Ford now owns the SUV and truck market. How is Obomba (the spelling is intentional) going to deal with that, the competition obviously cant be tolerated. Will he legislate the vehicles out of existance, or tax gas untill no one can afford to drive them.

The firing of Wagoner resulted in a five point jump in Obomba&#039;s approval numbers. The usefull idiots are in the majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While the volt holds promise it will likely be too expensive to be commercially successfull in the short term&#8221;</p>
<p>This is why governments cant run businesses, the inability to think in the long term. Using this logic there would be no such thing as television, cell phones, or computers, or almost any other technological inovation for that matter.</p>
<p>Ford now owns the SUV and truck market. How is Obomba (the spelling is intentional) going to deal with that, the competition obviously cant be tolerated. Will he legislate the vehicles out of existance, or tax gas untill no one can afford to drive them.</p>
<p>The firing of Wagoner resulted in a five point jump in Obomba&#8217;s approval numbers. The usefull idiots are in the majority.</p>
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		<title>By: Husker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Husker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where pickup trucks and SUVs are as important to us as tools are to a mechanic.

I agree government intrusion has significantly impaired the Big 3 to compete with other auto companies, but the lack of wage competition tied to productivity between the Big 3 is and still will be its downfall. When the UAW owns the employees of the Big 3, what incentive do they have to produce a quality product? Sure, the management could have said no to UAW contractual demands, but how long can a company sit idle costing millions of dollars a day when the public relations friendly, cheaper short term alternative is legalized extortion? This is a classic case of letting the inmates run the asylum coming back to bite them in the backside.

I know that spreading the blame to union leadership and employees is unpopular in a day where demonizing CEO&#039;s for all the world&#039;s troubles is chic now, but running under this business model is a text book loser. Competition fuels innovation. If the UAW thinks they know how to run an auto manufacturing plant, Ron Gettelfinger should be the next CEO of GM. I&#039;d give that business model about 2 weeks before going belly-up.

On a side note: Obama announcing Chrysler had 30 days to finalize their deal with Fiat has destroyed any chance for a favorable outcome for them. Fiat will be able to ask for the moon and get it, plus a few tax dollars extra to take it off the government&#039;s hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where pickup trucks and SUVs are as important to us as tools are to a mechanic.</p>
<p>I agree government intrusion has significantly impaired the Big 3 to compete with other auto companies, but the lack of wage competition tied to productivity between the Big 3 is and still will be its downfall. When the UAW owns the employees of the Big 3, what incentive do they have to produce a quality product? Sure, the management could have said no to UAW contractual demands, but how long can a company sit idle costing millions of dollars a day when the public relations friendly, cheaper short term alternative is legalized extortion? This is a classic case of letting the inmates run the asylum coming back to bite them in the backside.</p>
<p>I know that spreading the blame to union leadership and employees is unpopular in a day where demonizing CEO&#8217;s for all the world&#8217;s troubles is chic now, but running under this business model is a text book loser. Competition fuels innovation. If the UAW thinks they know how to run an auto manufacturing plant, Ron Gettelfinger should be the next CEO of GM. I&#8217;d give that business model about 2 weeks before going belly-up.</p>
<p>On a side note: Obama announcing Chrysler had 30 days to finalize their deal with Fiat has destroyed any chance for a favorable outcome for them. Fiat will be able to ask for the moon and get it, plus a few tax dollars extra to take it off the government&#8217;s hands.</p>
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		<title>By: 6eorge Jetson</title>
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		<dc:creator>6eorge Jetson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>subtle problem with central control.

Central controllers are by nature risk-averse.  And so the more of it we have, the more collective CYA behavior we&#039;ll get.  Why take risk when you can get paid for delivering the status-quo?

By no means am I an expert on the Volt or its viability.  But there&#039;s decades of evidence against the efficacy of central planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>subtle problem with central control.</p>
<p>Central controllers are by nature risk-averse.  And so the more of it we have, the more collective CYA behavior we&#8217;ll get.  Why take risk when you can get paid for delivering the status-quo?</p>
<p>By no means am I an expert on the Volt or its viability.  But there&#8217;s decades of evidence against the efficacy of central planning.</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vladimir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet.</description>
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		<title>By: carlsbadd</title>
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		<dc:creator>carlsbadd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ford started feeling the pain in 2006 and retooled their plants and their engineering. It took big losses but it also showed commitment by them. They started building and marketing a better quality car and lowered labor costs by using more robotics.

  This is where the Obama experimant with GM will fail, I suspect that he did not like the  GM plan because to many union jobs would be lost and he would rather run the company into the ground then suggest that some union jobs are lost. If it all goes south he can try to save face with the union and blame GM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ford started feeling the pain in 2006 and retooled their plants and their engineering. It took big losses but it also showed commitment by them. They started building and marketing a better quality car and lowered labor costs by using more robotics.</p>
<p>  This is where the Obama experimant with GM will fail, I suspect that he did not like the  GM plan because to many union jobs would be lost and he would rather run the company into the ground then suggest that some union jobs are lost. If it all goes south he can try to save face with the union and blame GM</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting to feel like that isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting to feel like that isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: smitch61</title>
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		<dc:creator>smitch61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tell you the workers are stunned. Wagoner is very well liked here and an honest guy. I am telling you there is no way the government gets rid of Wagoner unless there is some sort of agenda. I can also tell you the union leaders are SILENT, NOTHING, NOT A WORD. Living here like I do I can assure you Ron does not shut up. The fact that he is not saying anything is suspect.

We have heard, (not confirmed) that the government is doing away with all SUV&#039;s and trucks.... Europe here we come in our little vehicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tell you the workers are stunned. Wagoner is very well liked here and an honest guy. I am telling you there is no way the government gets rid of Wagoner unless there is some sort of agenda. I can also tell you the union leaders are SILENT, NOTHING, NOT A WORD. Living here like I do I can assure you Ron does not shut up. The fact that he is not saying anything is suspect.</p>
<p>We have heard, (not confirmed) that the government is doing away with all SUV&#8217;s and trucks&#8230;. Europe here we come in our little vehicles.</p>
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		<title>By: Praying</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thanks to a huge flip-flop from their new CEO (Barack Obama), it seems like the Volt will be stillborn.&quot;  

More likely, aborted.  At nearly full term.

Go Figure...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thanks to a huge flip-flop from their new CEO (Barack Obama), it seems like the Volt will be stillborn.&#8221;  </p>
<p>More likely, aborted.  At nearly full term.</p>
<p>Go Figure&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Crowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they think the Volt et al. are failures as money makers. Even if that&#039;s true, what the hell would the fed, or most any other level of gov&#039;t know about it, or what experience do any of them have in ceasing a program because it is obviously failing? When&#039;s the last time a school program was canceled when it was deemed a failure? How &#039;bout any Fed program? Name one. 

I don&#039;t know what their angle is on this one in the fascist takeover of this country, but it seems like the truly gov&#039;t-esque answer should be &quot;The Volt may not make money? No problem: subsidize the purchase price so it&#039;s more affordable.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they think the Volt et al. are failures as money makers. Even if that&#8217;s true, what the hell would the fed, or most any other level of gov&#8217;t know about it, or what experience do any of them have in ceasing a program because it is obviously failing? When&#8217;s the last time a school program was canceled when it was deemed a failure? How &#8217;bout any Fed program? Name one. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what their angle is on this one in the fascist takeover of this country, but it seems like the truly gov&#8217;t-esque answer should be &#8220;The Volt may not make money? No problem: subsidize the purchase price so it&#8217;s more affordable.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Praveen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praveen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and get GM in the game... What if import duties are increased on foreign cars? What if the workers in Foreign car manufacturer plants are unionized?

You never know..... I can&#039;t believe President CEO will let such a big chunk of votes go away. That&#039;s it. Votes are more important that anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and get GM in the game&#8230; What if import duties are increased on foreign cars? What if the workers in Foreign car manufacturer plants are unionized?</p>
<p>You never know&#8230;.. I can&#8217;t believe President CEO will let such a big chunk of votes go away. That&#8217;s it. Votes are more important that anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: jarrod21</title>
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		<dc:creator>jarrod21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted a Volt when it finally came out...this is just another reason to dislike Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted a Volt when it finally came out&#8230;this is just another reason to dislike Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladimir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be funny if my country weren&#039;t getting permanently screwed over in the process.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: WarEagle01</title>
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		<dc:creator>WarEagle01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Build better small cars?  That&#039;s the best they could come up with?!  Not cars people actually want to buy mind you.  I predict that, in 60 days, GM will go the way of Duesy, Arrow, Kaiser and the 561 other now-defunct American automobile manufacturers.  The difference is the failure of those companies didn&#039;t result in tens of billions in debt for future generations to pay off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Build better small cars?  That&#8217;s the best they could come up with?!  Not cars people actually want to buy mind you.  I predict that, in 60 days, GM will go the way of Duesy, Arrow, Kaiser and the 561 other now-defunct American automobile manufacturers.  The difference is the failure of those companies didn&#8217;t result in tens of billions in debt for future generations to pay off.</p>
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		<title>By: JadedByPolitics</title>
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		<dc:creator>JadedByPolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: roscopico</title>
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		<dc:creator>roscopico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at hiding his agenda.

5% of the people of the world (US) use 25% of the resources.  When the jobs program that is big auto (and ancillary industry) dies, we shall be using significantly less.

Better tighten the belt.

Maybe the resultant shockwave will produce a &quot;good crisis&quot; worldwide large enough for TOTUS to fulfill the real (and larger) ambition.  How does TOTOTW sound?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at hiding his agenda.</p>
<p>5% of the people of the world (US) use 25% of the resources.  When the jobs program that is big auto (and ancillary industry) dies, we shall be using significantly less.</p>
<p>Better tighten the belt.</p>
<p>Maybe the resultant shockwave will produce a &#8220;good crisis&#8221; worldwide large enough for TOTUS to fulfill the real (and larger) ambition.  How does TOTOTW sound?</p>
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