and no one ever notices how you manipulated them.

I just hope enough of us can flood our represenatives with calls and faxes to stop this.

We do not need immigration reform. We need to enforce current law!!!!! NO AMNESTY!!!!

www.numbersusa.com

We beat this back twice when Bush was in office. Maybe we can win again.

It sure would be nice if there was a Party that actually represented the American people on this issue. The Republicans are somewhat better than the Democrats but far to many of them would rather pander on this issue.

He saw what happened last time. The best he can do is have/allow Congress sneak parts of it into other bills piecemeal, and quietly.

…that even more immigrants will be washing up on our shores. Comprehensive immigration reform is about only one thing, increasing the number of Democrat voters. This is so transparent that I’m stunned that anyone can’t see this ploy. Why else pursue any immigration policy in this economic climate? The GD socialists are Hell bent on a permanent Stalinist USA.

The “jobs Americans won’t do” are going to become the “jobs Americans are fighting to keep.”

It’s going to be a really, serious change in the way people in this country view their future expectations.

I expect that by the end of Barack’s 4 years as President, Americans will be trying to cross the Rio Grande back into Mexico.

We need to recognize that we will never get control of this party until we whip these idiots in line…

I’ve been hitting on a theme lately that for every issue we have a couple RINOs that will back the Dems…On economic and SoCon issues we have Snowe Specter and Collins. On this and gund control we have Graham and McCain…oh…and maybe nationalizing banks if McCain follows Graham’s lead…on other issues we have Alexander, Lugar, Voinovich etc…

We’re so screwed…once they’ve done the Dem’s dirty work for them, we’ll be lucky if we’ll ever see the freedom we once enjoyed in this country return!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in Washington—Fred Thompson

After spendulus, health care is too contentious and expensive. Many other issues will not break a filibuster. Obama cant afford legislative defeats nor can he take on something he knows is too controversial like FOCA.

They want to get as much accomplished while they have numbers and this can ensure more hispanic voters and it will look bi-partisan because you will have more Republicans like Graham and McCain joining the choir.

Its the most logical thing for him to do. Our best bet is that the Lou Dobbs Democrats rise up in anger and just a solid Republican base.

Sen. Kyl appears to be backing away from CIR a/k/a AMNESTY for now, although Cornyn has been saying he wants CIR.

The pro-amnesty ethnocentric and cheap labor groups are pushing hard for CIR amnesty, even making the riduculous claim that giving amnesty to 12-20 million impoverished illegals will be good for our economy.

We have to make it clear to both parties that they will be in for one heckofa fght (even moreso than June 2007) if they try to shove “comprehensive reform” amnesty down our throats during this era of massive job loss for Americans.

an informed thinking adult would be unable to see the desirability and necessity of comprehensive immigration reform. Of course that presupposes that all of the commenters here are informed thinking adults.

GWBs immigration proposal, while not perfect, would have been a huge improvement over the status quo. It was in fact, one of the few policy proposals of his I supported.

I’m not afraid of the Spanish language, catholicism or the work ethic of our neighbors to the south. Why are so many here?

Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free…

You are an oxygen thief and a major generator of CO₂ and greenhouse gasses. Your very presence here is melting the arctic ice cap and threatening polar bears and arctic wolves.

Do the world a favor.

I.D.I.O.T.

So many polite requests, let me start from the top.

“If a thief gets caught, should he be allowed to keep what he stole?”

Of course not.

“If a person gets caught with illegal drugs, should he get to keep his stash?”

Yes. It is neither mine nor the government’s business to determine what a free adult puts into his own body.

“If a person gets caught being in America illegally should he get to stay in America?”

Why is it illegal for him to be here? If he or she is a convicted felon in either their own country or ours, send them back. Has he merely broken the law by exchanging labor for money with another? I don’t see why that is illegal. Let them stay. Underbidding another on a contract does not constitute a crime.

“The answer to all three questions is NO!”

Obviously I disagree with you on two of them.

“Regarding the Spanish language – since some Native-born Americans speak Spanish [Puerto Ricans], I think we should have ballots in both English and Spanish at all polling places in America. However, I don’t favor having American ballots in any other language.”

Native born American’s milk language actually runs the gamut. I’m quite content with government documents, including ballots being in American English only. You open up a bag of worms with exceptions (Inuit? Hawaiian? Navajo?)

“You are entitled to your uninformed opinion about what “thinking adults” should or should not be thing. Opinions are like anuses, everybody has one. And frankly, I have no desire to be exposed to, in your particular case, either”.

Witty. I’ve never heard that one before.

“1. The overwhelming majority of posters here – me included – support immigration reform. That would include a hard look at the types of immigrants who will bring the most benefit to this country.”

It’s difficult to tell with comments like

“I just hope enough of us can flood our represenatives with calls and faxes to stop this.
We do not need immigration reform. We need to enforce current law!!!!! NO AMNESTY!!!!”

and

“better learn to habla espagnol senor
para verdad”

with absolutely no details on what the Obama administration reform may or may not look like.

“2. Unskilled laborers do not fit the description above.”

I like having produce harvested, cement poured and hotel rooms cleaned. These occupations are not glamorous, but the tasks must be performed. People who do so contribute to the economy and America. Some “skilled” folks (attorneys, athletes not so much).

“3. We – those opposed to CIR – aren’t afraid of Spanish, Catholicism or folks with a “good work ethic” either. Although, I strongly suspect that your definition and mine on at least the last two are vastly different.”

So you support” immigration reform” (see point #1) but not “comprehensive immigration reform”. Haphazard immigration reform? Partial? What?

“4. We celebrate new immigrants who enter this country legally and seek to become Americans. We generally have no use for people who violate our immigration laws to get here and then turn large parts of our major cities into something that looks like the barrios they came from.”

Nope. No xenophobia here. Move along folks. As our immigration laws stand today they are unable to enter legally and yet our economy demands them. Comprehensive reform would hopefully repair that disconnect.

“Since your self-confessed atheism apparently makes you grammatically ignorant, the “C” in Catholicism is capitalized when making a reference to the particular religious denomination.”

I am an atheist, good guess. The lower case c is called a typo. Put a red check on it and omit the gold star.

“ Also, when referring to “work ethic” we try to hold congratulations to people who, in fact, work and obey the law. That doesn’t include stealing a social security number to get a job – which, BTW, happens to be a felony.

I sincerely hope – really I do – that somebody steals your social security number and trashes your identity so they can enjoy freedom illegally here at your expense.”

That oh so Christian sentiment is noted. I wish no such misfortune upon you. I merely hope you lose out on a contract to an immigrant. Preferably an amnesty recipient.

“Oh, and in checking your posting history Moby, you’re now two for two. I’m willing to wake up HappyBunny if I have to, even though it means putting up with a grouchy rabbit half the night.”

Whatever that means. Am I supposed to be impressed?

“Instead of insulting those who disagree with your version of “immigration reform”, why not try to inform the uninformed and change our minds?”
Oh, I forget, that would require a cogent argument that includes facts and a reasoned approach. The lefties find it so much easier to just shout, RACIST!

Watch out for the bunny!”

See above.

Please continue agreeing with each other now.

Actually, any sane, thinking, rational person opposes CIR amnesty. We tried “comprehensive immigration reform” with the 1986 IRCA amnesty, which failed and led to more illegal immigration. Now, the open border elites are trying to sell the same baloney again. NO WAY. The way to improve the status quo is to finally enforce existing immigration laws which would cause the majority of illegals to self-deport over time.

And the Bush/Kennedy amnesty bill would have been disastrous. Just a few factoids about that monstrosity:

1) The Heritage Foundation estimated that this would have cost $2.6 TRILLION.

2) It did not require illegals to pay any back taxes for work performed illegally

3) meaningless background checks (within 24 hours)

4) gang members eligible for amnesty

5) it would have granted amnesty to an unlimited number of illegal aliens, as there was no cap.

I could go on, but the point is the country does not need, and Americans do not want CIR amnesty, and to oppose this does not make one “xenophobic.” This is a tired attack line that the open border crowd uses to try to stifle honest debate.