How can anyone take Barack Obama seriously when he talks about the mess on Wall Street?
On Tuesday of this week, Barack Obama mocked John McCain for suggesting a commission to recommend financial reforms, and instead said that he had the answer. He said that all it took was strong leadership to solve the crisis:
Just today, Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book – you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem. But here’s the thing – this isn’t 9/11. We know how we got into this mess. What we need now is leadership that gets us out. I’ll provide it, John McCain won’t, and that’s the choice for the American people in this election.
History shows us that there is no substitute for presidential leadership in a time of economic crisis. FDR and Harry Truman didn’t put their heads in the sand, or hand accountability over to a Commission. Bill Clinton didn’t put off hard choices. They led, and that’s what I will do. My priority as President will be the stability of the American economy and the prosperity of the American people. And I will make sure that our response focuses on middle class Americans – not the companies that created the problem.
To get out of this crisis – and to ensure that we are not doomed to repeat a cycle of bubble and bust again and again – we must take immediate measures to create jobs and continue to address the housing crisis; we must build a 21st century regulatory framework, and we must pursue a bold opportunity agenda that creates new jobs and grows the American economy.
Yesterday, Obama attacked McCain for asserting that he (Obama) did not support the bailout being engineered by the Treasury and Federal Reserve. When Jonathan Martin reported that Obama backed the bailout, he was quickly corrected by Obama’s staff:
To recap, when I wrote earlier today that Obama supported the bailout, I quickly was instructed by his staff that this was not the case. He just didn’t oppose it, I was told.
Now he’s so adamant about not opposing the Fed’s move that he’s complaining about McCain’s portrayal.
Where, I wonder, is the line between not opposing and, ya know, supporting.
Today Obama finally made clear that he does in fact, support the bailout:
Calling the market upheaval one of the most serious in the nation’s history, Barack Obama said Friday that the Treasury and the Federal Reserve must receive “as broad authority as necessary” to restore stability to the financial system.
Following a meeting with economic advisers here, Obama said he supports efforts by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Benjamin Bernanke to work with Congress on a rescue plan…
He declined to issue his own detailed plan for the financial markets until he reviewed the plan proposed by the Treasury and the Federal Reserve…
Instead, he laid out four principles [Editor's note: two fewer principles than on Tuesday]: That the rescue plan help “Main Street” as well as Wall Street; that it be fair, and not reward particular companies or individuals; that it be structured to be temporary and have a “process to restore private sector assets to private sector hands after restoring stability to the system”; and that it be coordinated internationally.
At least he’s no longer voting ‘present’ on the bailout.
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He made it clear?
ECore Friday, September 19th at 2:50PM EST (link)Today Obama finally made clear that he does in fact, support the bailout:
Clear as mud. Via Ace, we get The Politico
“Obama, on the trail in New Mexico, had this to say of McCain:
“And today he accused me of not supporting what the Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank did with AIG despite no evidence whatsoever that that’s what I had said.”
To recap, when I wrote earlier today that Obama supported the bailout, I quickly was instructed by his staff that this was not the case. He just didn’t oppose it, I was told.
Now he’s so adamant about not opposing the Fed’s move that he’s complaining about McCain’s portrayal.”
Clear as mud
Lorraine Friday, September 19th at 3:00PM EST (link)IS this the new double-speak….
Every time this man opens his mouth to explain his position, I get the uneasy feeling that I have entered into a surreal world.
What amazes me (or should I say frightens me) more is that people are buying into this man’s incredible illogical and nonsensecal garbage. Does the American people have their collective heads in the sand. They must in order to support this man.
Good catch, but...
Brian Faughnan (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 3:07PM EST (link)That item from the Politico was from yesterday, and it was included in the post that you’re commenting on:
Rupert Murdoch on FNC...
Mrs_Evans (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 3:14PM EST (link)just said that Obama’s financial policies are naive and would create panic and loss of jobs.
Obama is the Chauncey the Gardener of presidential politics.
spainishirish (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 3:25PM EST (link)There’s simply no there there, never was a there there, and never will be a there there. Unfortunately, there will no there there in the U.S. Treasury if this lightweight gets anywhere near the Oval Office.
Don't be overly frightened
alchemist17 (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 3:34PM EST (link)The fact that you’re here and posting almost certainly makes you a (relative) political wonk. Remember that a relatively small number of people are really that involved in the political process – the majority of voters are just coming up to speed on the election.
We should all realize that connections, histories, and records that we’ve seen a dozen times before are new (and likely sparsely known) among even Democrat partisans … which is why the conventions and debates are still important, as they’re one of the few open forums to see the candidates as they are without the prompter or stump speech. Most people know nothing of Mr Obama’s past (and the media seems perfectly fine keeping it that way)
We all know that ads can be deceptive (on either side) and that most Americans (especially the undecided independents) don’t have a whole lot of trust in politicians meaning what they say. Throw in a financial crisis that very few people truly understand, and I suspect we’ll see volatility and a slow ebb and surge in polling data at least until the debates as people digest the information coming at them.
-Alchemist
Chatting about derivatives
Palin_Dealundecided_undecided Friday, September 19th at 3:48PM EST (link)Phil Gramm is, in part, the subject of this NPR Fresh Air interview:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94686428
The interview is an easy walk through of the latest financial fiasco with Michael Greenberger who formerly directed a division at the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission.
Some key points, coming soon to an Obama commercial near you
Summary:
Dec 2000, then Chair of the Senate Finance Commitee Phil Gramm added as a rider to an 11,000 page omnibus spending bill called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act
They convinced Gramm to introduce the bill just before the Senate was to adjourn for Christmas.
No one understood this bill except the drafters of the bill, who where the lawyers for the investment banks on Wall Street.
The bill freed the investment banks from any regulation of credit derivatives, which directly led to this weeks fiasco and the sudden turn of our country toward socialism for the super wealthy
Graham is McCain’s Chief economic advisor, also an officer of UBS, the Swiss bank that most recently lost 12 billion.
These facts, coupled with the fact that McCain has been heavily dependent on Gramm to help shape his economic policies, leads me to believe McCain will continue to pay a high price for the meltdown this week.
I’m sure we will soon see a re-emergence of the Savings and Loan bailout issue and the whole Keating 5 trouble.
McCain should have picked Romney as VP – don’t mean to rub anyones nose in it – just a fact we can all lament.
We’re very lucky Obama made a major mistake with his VP pick too!
TOO? Obama made a mistake too?
David Hinz (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 4:00PM EST (link)you got a mouse in your pocket?
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What a great leader...
mcrill (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 4:02PM EST (link)I find it particularly telling that Obama uses FDR and Truman as his examples of strong leadership overcoming economic crisis. After all, Trumans answer was generally to try and have the government sieze an entire industry. Sounds exactly like what Obama would do, doesn’t it?
Barack Obama: Change, it’s all you’ll have left.
This Gramm is bad nonesense has to end.
Alberta (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 4:15PM EST (link)I cant tell if your trying to say that this is indeed Mr Gramms fault. If you are, then you are wrong.
How about the Community reinvestment act that forced (or allowed, however you look at it) banks to lend to poor people who where likely to default. How about Greenspans bungling of the Dot Com Meltdown, the creation of way to much money at way to low prices? How about the current SEC guy, Cox, fiddling while Rome burned? How about blaming the idiot democrat Frank for stalling all attempts to fix the bad regulation that is the cause of the ‘bad’ balance sheets? How about the S-O law that brought in the incredibly stupid ‘Mark to Market’ accounting rules?
How about blaming the idiots in the SEC allowing these companies to go public when they didnt have to disclose what they owned? How about blaming the rating agencies that gave gold ratings to dogsh#t companies? I could go on. This situation is not Gramms fault. I mean, are you trying to say that deregulation was the cause of this mess? Your completely wrong. Bad regulation is the cause.
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This is an Obama thread...
Wintergreen (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 4:33PM EST (link)but we need a thread talking about what a disaster Bush is financially.
Yes, I realize that democrats were in bed with and pushed Fannie and Freddie, and I also realize that democrats okayed Bush’s budgets, but the bottom line is that Bush is the least fiscally responsible president ever.
Before today he had added 4 trillion dollars to our national debt and he had just turned in a roughly 500 billion dollar deficit.
As of today, this bailout is going to add another what…1?…2?…trillion dollars to our national debt?
My generation and my kids generation and my grandkids generation are going to be financially f*cked.
The republican party isn’t conservative and it deserves to catch hell for abandoning fiscal conservatism. They’ve opened the doors for dems to rush in with socialism.
The problem wasn’t the free market…it was that the federal government tried to play with it and in doing so socialized the risks of private enterprises, first and foremost of which was of course fannie and freddie.
Yea, too
Palin_Dealundecided_undecided Friday, September 19th at 4:49PM EST (link)I already said I think Palin is a colossal mistake. McCain got a bit of a bump in the polls – which may be fading now, and in my opinion, will certainly do so in the weeks ahead.
Obama would have won easily if he had picked Clinton and McCain could have won if he had picked Romney. (Assuming the other side picked their current pick)
As far as whether or not Gramm is to blame for this shiny new socialism for the super rich (comment below); he is in part to blame – just a fact. And he is the one whose guilt will impact the election most, simply because it will make the most effective commercial.
I say effective because it will point to indisputable facts, which will be brought up, replayed and rehashed on all the news, blogs, etc.
Romney would have shielded McCain from those who claim he doesn’t know what he should about the economy. Palin can’t shield him from anything of significance.
She’ll be more of a liability than an asset before the election gets here.
Obama Getting His On-The-Job Training
Michael Parrish (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 5:01PM EST (link)Look, I’m all for “on-the-job” training in some industries. I’ve gone through a lot of it myself: Arby’s, Starbucks, Wachovia Securities, etc. My latest job, I should note, did not include on the job training.
I find it especially interesting that a municipal government expects on Day 1 that a policy analysis manager shows up ready to lead.
So, if at that level of government I’m expected to have my act together while the ink on the deal is still fresh, why in the world is Barack Obama running for President of the Universe when he clearly cannot make a decision until everyone else has weighed in including his opponent and the current administration.
This is insane that he has made it this far! What in the world is he going to do if he’s elected and needs to act at 3:00 AM? What in the world are we going to do when he can’t decide how to act?
Folks, the biggest threat to national security at this point is not terrorism, it’s the idiocy of indecision by the Democratic candidate!
Funny, this harkens a quote to memory, someone more qualified and sensible… maybe, Gov. Sarah Palin: “You cannot blink.”
Hmm, Barack, maybe lipstick is the difference!
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Obama Getting His On-The-Job Training
Michael Parrish (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 5:02PM EST (link)Look, I’m all for “on-the-job” training in some industries. I’ve gone through a lot of it myself: Arby’s, Starbucks, Wachovia Securities, etc. My latest job, I should note, did not include on the job training.
I find it especially interesting that a municipal government expects on Day 1 that a policy analysis manager shows up ready to lead.
So, if at that level of government I’m expected to have my act together while the ink on the deal is still fresh, why in the world is Barack Obama running for President of the Universe when he clearly cannot make a decision until everyone else has weighed in including his opponent and the current administration.
This is insane that he has made it this far! What in the world is he going to do if he’s elected and needs to act at 3:00 AM? What in the world are we going to do when he can’t decide how to act?
Folks, the biggest threat to national security at this point is not terrorism, it’s the idiocy of indecision by the Democratic candidate!
Funny, this harkens a quote to memory, someone more qualified and sensible… maybe, Gov. Sarah Palin: “You cannot blink.”
Hmm, Barack, maybe lipstick is the difference!
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Too much regulation is THE problem
Terilyn Donaldson (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 5:07PM EST (link)There are too many cooks in the kitchen. No one knows what to do and so nothing is done. There are several agencies whose purpose is to oversee these companies. Unfortunately, none of them care at all about the American public and only about themselves and their parties. It’s ridiculous and I’m feeling a bit frightened by the way the polls are looking. Hey, did you hear Obama is asking for another stimulus package? Is he going to pay for it out of his own bank account? Or are we going to pay for that one also?
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McCain's brilliant choice of Palin...
K_Miller Friday, September 19th at 5:14PM EST (link)RE:Palin_Deal “McCain should have picked Romney as VP – don’t mean to rub anyones nose in it – just a fact we can all lament.”
Romney would’ve made a fine VP, but he wouldn’t have unified the party the way Palin has, and he wouldn’t have made any advances with independents or disaffected Clinton supporters. McCain unified his party when he selected Palin, Obama ticked off and possibly lost completely a critical section of his party when he failed to even consider Hillary. Palin is a brilliant choice, and no amount of wishful thinking to the contrary will ever change that.
K. Miller
McCain's brilliant choice of Palin...
K_Miller Friday, September 19th at 5:23PM EST (link)RE:Palin_Deal “McCain should have picked Romney as VP – don’t mean to rub anyones nose in it – just a fact we can all lament.”
Romney would’ve made a fine VP, but he wouldn’t have unified the party the way Palin has, and he wouldn’t have made any advances with independents or disaffected Clinton supporters. McCain unified his party when he selected Palin, Obama ticked off and possibly lost completely a critical section of his party when he failed to even consider Hillary. Palin is a brilliant choice, and no amount of wishful thinking to the contrary will ever change that.
K. Miller
The age of deregulation is over.
MrSandman (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 5:35PM EST (link)Bush = Hoover.
Welcome to the New New Deal.
Everything will be okay. The government will fix everything.
But HEY!! We’ve had the largest two day jump since 1929!! And that worked out so well!!
“Americans can no longer trust the economic information they are getting from this Administration.”
— Republican Senator Jim DeMint
Lightweight?
Palin_Dealundecided_undecided Friday, September 19th at 5:40PM EST (link)You don’t like the idea of a lightweight in the Whitehouse?
How ’bout putting a complete lightweight a heartbeat from the presidency?
Does that bother you at all?
(Please don’t bother with the non-sense about executive experience, no one actually believes that)
Really, Palin_Deal? Here, let's check your telepathy.
Moe Lane (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 5:54PM EST (link)What number am I thinking of, right this second?
Please give it in your next post; or else give us an apology for presuming to tell us what we’re really thinking. I’m being perfectly serious. Either one, on your next post.
Moe Lane
PS: You have pretty much become the “whine about Palin and why we should have picked Romney” guy at this point, which I suspect means that your posts are largely going unread. I suggest that you branch out.
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Too much regulation?
Palin_Dealundecided_undecided Friday, September 19th at 5:59PM EST (link)Terilyn -
I posted a link to an interview that credibly (in my opinion) indicated the problem was the lack of regulation on the so called “dark market”.
The impression I’m getting, reading and channel surfing through the financial channels, is that de-regulation is exactly the problem.
Do you have anything credible that points to regulation as the problem?
Seems to me that the monkeys were running the zoo, and our political leaders on both sides were seriously asleep at the switch – no, make that passed out drunk and throwing up on the switch.
I think this is a real wake up call. We need to elect competent people, we need to ratchet down partisan politics and try to work together on important issues (like the future of our country).
I hope I live long enough to see the partisan influence of DeLay, Rove, Gingrich, et al forever die away. And yes, the democrats are every bit as bad.
I'm not in the habit of repeating myself, Palin_Deal.
Moe Lane (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 6:19PM EST (link)You have instructions. Follow them.
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127?
Palin_Dealundecided_undecided Friday, September 19th at 6:38PM EST (link)127?
Thats it, isn’t it? You know it is.
OK, I’ll branch out.
Just listening to David Brooks on The Nightly News. They referenced his article where he characterized the candidates response to our shift towards socialism as “moronic”
I couldn’t agree more.
One of the most serious, direct threats to our collective well being – maybe in my life time – and the candidates responses are perfect immatations of thumb sucking two-year olds.
If we’re going to manage future threats to our country and truly be the best we can be, we have to get over the small minded, mean spirited partisanship we’ve come to consider par for the course.
We owe it to our kids – most of whom (maybe rightfully) think their parents are freaktards.
Now I’ll click the submit button and go bake a pie while I wait for it to post.
127?
Palin_Dealundecided_undecided Friday, September 19th at 6:46PM EST (link)127?
Thats it, isn’t it? You know it is.
OK, I’ll branch out.
Just listening to David Brooks on The Nightly News. They referenced his article where he characterized the candidates response to our shift towards socialism as “moronic”
I couldn’t agree more.
One of the most serious, direct threats to our collective well being – maybe in my life time – and the candidates responses are perfect immatations of thumb sucking two-year olds.
If we’re going to manage future threats to our country and truly be the best we can be, we have to get over the small minded, mean spirited partisanship we’ve come to consider par for the course.
We owe it to our kids – most of whom (maybe rightfully) think their parents are freaktards.
Now I’ll click the submit button and go bake a pie while I wait for it to post.
Moe, if he isn't a ghost already, Palin_Deal needs to go.
Achance (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 6:52PM EST (link)We’ll all be the better for it.
In Vino Veritas
Oooo, that was a mistake
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 6:57PM EST (link)munches on popcorn
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Nope. Email the Directors when you're ready to offer that apology...
Moe Lane (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 6:58PM EST (link)…and I’ll turn your account back on.
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But what WAS the number, Moe?
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 7:10PM EST (link)I’m dying to know.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
734. Current temperature at the time, with a 4 from the Cheerios box in front of me.
Moe Lane (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 7:21PM EST (link)Hey, you never know. Finding an actual telepath would be well worth the minor embarrassment of having that blow up in my face like the way the Canadian health care thing did for Krugman.
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Pirate talk??
Putter (Diary) Friday, September 19th at 7:38PM EST (link)I thought you were into the talk like a pirate day Moe. I was expecting you to work a cutlass or a belaying pin into the troll execution somewhere. Send him to Davey Jones’ Locker for Pete’s sake.
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{Thanks for validating your banning, Palin_Deal!}
undecided_undecidedPalin_deal Friday, September 19th at 10:40PM EST (link){I thought that the Romney fixation was a bit off. – Moe Lane}
Social Engineering Utopia
buckeye (Diary) Saturday, September 20th at 4:46PM EST (link)To get out of this crisis – and to ensure that we are not doomed to repeat a cycle of bubble and bust again and again – we must take immediate measures….
Once again, the Democrats are suggesting they can end the business cycle all together, providing a utopia free of such inconveniences. Then again, the utopia of socialism never has any busts because it never has any booms, just ongoing poverty in an equal manner for all except the “most equal” class. I’m sure The One will deliver on that.
“Honor is self-esteem made visible in action.” – Ayn Rand, West Point, 1974
Can't Disagree
buckeye (Diary) Saturday, September 20th at 5:17PM EST (link)And the reality is the market wasn’t setting the price of mortgages, Government Sponsored Enterprises (Freddie and Fannie) were coercing them downward to less than equilibrium. Add to that the fact banks weren’t deciding who to loan to based on risk, the Community Reinvestment Act was influencing those decisions significantly. How anyone can claim this is the result of an unregulated market and unbridled capitalism, like say the computer market, is beyond me.
The government is suppose to be asleep of the switch so the invisible hand of the market can take care of things. That’s what the Republican party use to believe.
“Honor is self-esteem made visible in action.” – Ayn Rand, West Point, 1974
exactly, and Bush tried to change the law. What the law did was unleash
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, September 20th at 5:25PM EST (link)an oversupply of realtors and loan officers to make money thru sales
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