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		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brian_m_johnson/2008/12/10/heritage-foundation-wrong-on-healthcareagain/#comment-189</link>
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		<title>By: Brian M. Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brian_m_johnson/2008/12/10/heritage-foundation-wrong-on-healthcareagain/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian M. Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heritage original response here http://www.redstate.com/nina_owcharenko/2008/12/12/holding-obama-accountable-on-health-care/  

Nina:

 

Thanks for the thoughtful response on this.  I think this is a very healthy debate we should be having on this.  Conservatives don&#039;t talk enough about health care.

 

I like your list method (I use it a bunch myself), so I will keep to that order:

 

1. Tax treatment.  You are correct that Heritage agreed to alter the refundable credit plan in 2007 after it was clear that conservative opposition to the older, tax-increasing version doomed that one.  Until that time, Heritage never espoused the principle you state here; namely, that the refundable aspects of a credit should not be paid for with tax increases somewhere else.  If Heritage continues to hold the very new position you state here (that reforming the tax treatment of health insurance should never result in a net, aggregate income tax increase), we&#039;re in 100 percent agreement.

 

2. Portability.  If you read my original post, it&#039;s clear that I&#039;m criticizing the new tax benefit for health insurance purchased through an exchange.  I never said you would limit the benefit to those purchasing through the exchange.  So, this one is just a misunderstanding.

 

3. Federalism.  There&#039;s a balance here.  I remember with welfare reform, there was always a debate between a &quot;clean&quot; block grant and one with parameters.  The concern I have is that if Democrat politicians in Washington are the ones setting the parameters, they will contain things like benefit mandates, coverage mandates, deductible limits, etc.  The parameters could easily doom the reform.

 

4. FEHBP.  Glad to see we (now) agree that community rating is a bad idea.  I&#039;m all for choice and competition, but the FEHBP does so in a connector/exchange/sandbox.  When the government sets up the sandbox (as we saw in MA), price controls and mandates soon follow.  Pursuing an FEHBP model is letting the tail (the exchange) wag the dog (choice and competition).

 

As far as the lower cost trends, what about the fact that DC&#039;s Carefirst plan has grown 60% in the last six years?  Shouldn&#039;t the standard be a bit higher than that?

 

5. Bipartisanship.  The Nickles bill was a mixed bag, to say the least.  It&#039;s S. 1743 for those who might want to look it up, and was introduced in 1993.  It did create medical savings accounts, cap medical torts, do some incremental changes to Medicare and Medicaid, long-term care insurance incentives, and the principle of reform of  the tax treatment of health insurance, on the good side.  Now for the bad: 

 

-It contained &quot;guaranteed issue,&quot; which most conservatives now oppose (this provision means that people can wait until they are sick to sign up for health insurance).  

 

-Without seeing a revenue score, this bill probably was a net income tax increase (since it created a refundable income tax credit and paid for it by repealing the employer exclusion of health insurance).  Heritage&#039;s assertion that the refundable aspects of a credit must be paid for with spending cuts is, indeed, a new one.

 

-The bill has a form of community rating, which you now say Heritage opposes. S. 1743 would allow premium variation based only on age, sex, geography, and participation in a wellness program.  Notably absent from that list is &quot;health status.&quot;

 

-It has restrictions on plan design that look very much like the restrictions imposed by the FEHBP.  In particular, the out-of-pocket max is a bit onerous (10% of AGI or $5000, whichever is greater)

 

-There&#039;s an employer mandate--employers must facilitate health insurance coverage or pay a tax (&quot;pay-or-play&quot;).  This tax could reach as much as $18,250 per year/per employee.  Employers are dictated that they must increase wages by the amount that they are relieved of premium payments.

 

In short, the Nickles bill is an example of Heritage health policy gone wrong.  It has too much in there that&#039;s bad.  As a final piece of legislation out of a conference committee, it would still be bad.  But as the opening salvo of the right?  It&#039;s not good.

 

And I didn&#039;t get the history wrong.  Back in 1994, thirty-seven conservative leaders signed a letter opposing the Nickles bill.  These signatories included Cato president Ed Crane, Eagle Forum&#039;s Phyllis Schlafly, Paul Weyrich, and (my boss) ATR&#039;s Grover Norquist.  Shortly thereafter, Nickles withdrew his support for his own bill.  Reports at the time were that Nickles believed the Heritage draft to be a conservative consensus on health reform, and was disappointed to find that this was very much not the case after getting this joint letter.  It was most assuredly not a &quot;bulwark&quot; against Clintoncare, by all accounts I&#039;ve heard outside of Heritage.

 

Once again, it&#039;s my position that Heritage would be better off walking away from an FEHBP/connector plan.  I&#039;m glad to see that Heritage has come around on community rating and opposition to an overall tax hike, but that&#039;s relatively-new.  

 

I&#039;d be interested to see where Heritage is today on some of the other bad aspects of the Heritage/Nickles bill: guaranteed issue, an employer mandate, pay-or-play, and the plan design limits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heritage original response here http://www.redstate.com/nina_owcharenko/2008/12/12/holding-obama-accountable-on-health-care/  </p>
<p>Nina:</p>
<p>Thanks for the thoughtful response on this.  I think this is a very healthy debate we should be having on this.  Conservatives don&#8217;t talk enough about health care.</p>
<p>I like your list method (I use it a bunch myself), so I will keep to that order:</p>
<p>1. Tax treatment.  You are correct that Heritage agreed to alter the refundable credit plan in 2007 after it was clear that conservative opposition to the older, tax-increasing version doomed that one.  Until that time, Heritage never espoused the principle you state here; namely, that the refundable aspects of a credit should not be paid for with tax increases somewhere else.  If Heritage continues to hold the very new position you state here (that reforming the tax treatment of health insurance should never result in a net, aggregate income tax increase), we&#8217;re in 100 percent agreement.</p>
<p>2. Portability.  If you read my original post, it&#8217;s clear that I&#8217;m criticizing the new tax benefit for health insurance purchased through an exchange.  I never said you would limit the benefit to those purchasing through the exchange.  So, this one is just a misunderstanding.</p>
<p>3. Federalism.  There&#8217;s a balance here.  I remember with welfare reform, there was always a debate between a &#8220;clean&#8221; block grant and one with parameters.  The concern I have is that if Democrat politicians in Washington are the ones setting the parameters, they will contain things like benefit mandates, coverage mandates, deductible limits, etc.  The parameters could easily doom the reform.</p>
<p>4. FEHBP.  Glad to see we (now) agree that community rating is a bad idea.  I&#8217;m all for choice and competition, but the FEHBP does so in a connector/exchange/sandbox.  When the government sets up the sandbox (as we saw in MA), price controls and mandates soon follow.  Pursuing an FEHBP model is letting the tail (the exchange) wag the dog (choice and competition).</p>
<p>As far as the lower cost trends, what about the fact that DC&#8217;s Carefirst plan has grown 60% in the last six years?  Shouldn&#8217;t the standard be a bit higher than that?</p>
<p>5. Bipartisanship.  The Nickles bill was a mixed bag, to say the least.  It&#8217;s S. 1743 for those who might want to look it up, and was introduced in 1993.  It did create medical savings accounts, cap medical torts, do some incremental changes to Medicare and Medicaid, long-term care insurance incentives, and the principle of reform of  the tax treatment of health insurance, on the good side.  Now for the bad: </p>
<p>-It contained &#8220;guaranteed issue,&#8221; which most conservatives now oppose (this provision means that people can wait until they are sick to sign up for health insurance).  </p>
<p>-Without seeing a revenue score, this bill probably was a net income tax increase (since it created a refundable income tax credit and paid for it by repealing the employer exclusion of health insurance).  Heritage&#8217;s assertion that the refundable aspects of a credit must be paid for with spending cuts is, indeed, a new one.</p>
<p>-The bill has a form of community rating, which you now say Heritage opposes. S. 1743 would allow premium variation based only on age, sex, geography, and participation in a wellness program.  Notably absent from that list is &#8220;health status.&#8221;</p>
<p>-It has restrictions on plan design that look very much like the restrictions imposed by the FEHBP.  In particular, the out-of-pocket max is a bit onerous (10% of AGI or $5000, whichever is greater)</p>
<p>-There&#8217;s an employer mandate&#8211;employers must facilitate health insurance coverage or pay a tax (&#8220;pay-or-play&#8221;).  This tax could reach as much as $18,250 per year/per employee.  Employers are dictated that they must increase wages by the amount that they are relieved of premium payments.</p>
<p>In short, the Nickles bill is an example of Heritage health policy gone wrong.  It has too much in there that&#8217;s bad.  As a final piece of legislation out of a conference committee, it would still be bad.  But as the opening salvo of the right?  It&#8217;s not good.</p>
<p>And I didn&#8217;t get the history wrong.  Back in 1994, thirty-seven conservative leaders signed a letter opposing the Nickles bill.  These signatories included Cato president Ed Crane, Eagle Forum&#8217;s Phyllis Schlafly, Paul Weyrich, and (my boss) ATR&#8217;s Grover Norquist.  Shortly thereafter, Nickles withdrew his support for his own bill.  Reports at the time were that Nickles believed the Heritage draft to be a conservative consensus on health reform, and was disappointed to find that this was very much not the case after getting this joint letter.  It was most assuredly not a &#8220;bulwark&#8221; against Clintoncare, by all accounts I&#8217;ve heard outside of Heritage.</p>
<p>Once again, it&#8217;s my position that Heritage would be better off walking away from an FEHBP/connector plan.  I&#8217;m glad to see that Heritage has come around on community rating and opposition to an overall tax hike, but that&#8217;s relatively-new.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to see where Heritage is today on some of the other bad aspects of the Heritage/Nickles bill: guaranteed issue, an employer mandate, pay-or-play, and the plan design limits.</p>
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		<title>By: nina_owcharenko&#8217;s Diary &#187; Holding Obama Accountable on Health Care ::</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brian_m_johnson/2008/12/10/heritage-foundation-wrong-on-healthcareagain/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>nina_owcharenko&#8217;s Diary &#187; Holding Obama Accountable on Health Care ::</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ellis from Americans for Tax Reform yesterday criticized a memo Stuart Butler and I wrote about the promises President-elect Barack Obama made about health care reform. The point of our [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ellis from Americans for Tax Reform yesterday criticized a memo Stuart Butler and I wrote about the promises President-elect Barack Obama made about health care reform. The point of our [...]</p>
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		<title>By: health &#38; safety advisor</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brian_m_johnson/2008/12/10/heritage-foundation-wrong-on-healthcareagain/#comment-183</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: emgbane</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brian_m_johnson/2008/12/10/heritage-foundation-wrong-on-healthcareagain/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>emgbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly don’t find anything objectionable in Heritage’s Memo to President-elect Obama.  It seems a broad view of health care reform.  Since Democrats are in the drivers seat, these suggestions seem very reasonable.

What is wrong with consumers choosing their health insurance company?  Of course there should be no public plan, or Federal Health Board.

Refundable tax credits should be used to purchase health insurance.  The opt out will allow those who do not want to use health insurance to go into the marketplace as you suggest, but it will allow those who prefer HMO’s to have that option.

States should certainly be free to act we all know that high tax nanny states will treat health care differently then states that favor more limited government.

Why oppose bipartisanship?  Republican ideas will certainly improve any government health plan.  If Republicans cannot improve the plan they should try to kill the plan, but they should not act like Democrats and just obstruct for the sake of obstructing.  Any broad reform to our Health Care system should have the support of both parties to be effective.

Right now as many people lose their jobs in this recession, they will also lose their health insurance.  Any reform of Health Care must including separating health care from employment.  This is going to be an environment where people will be looking to government for answers.  Republican need to be providing realistic answers.  I’m glad Heritage has offered some realistic suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly don’t find anything objectionable in Heritage’s Memo to President-elect Obama.  It seems a broad view of health care reform.  Since Democrats are in the drivers seat, these suggestions seem very reasonable.</p>
<p>What is wrong with consumers choosing their health insurance company?  Of course there should be no public plan, or Federal Health Board.</p>
<p>Refundable tax credits should be used to purchase health insurance.  The opt out will allow those who do not want to use health insurance to go into the marketplace as you suggest, but it will allow those who prefer HMO’s to have that option.</p>
<p>States should certainly be free to act we all know that high tax nanny states will treat health care differently then states that favor more limited government.</p>
<p>Why oppose bipartisanship?  Republican ideas will certainly improve any government health plan.  If Republicans cannot improve the plan they should try to kill the plan, but they should not act like Democrats and just obstruct for the sake of obstructing.  Any broad reform to our Health Care system should have the support of both parties to be effective.</p>
<p>Right now as many people lose their jobs in this recession, they will also lose their health insurance.  Any reform of Health Care must including separating health care from employment.  This is going to be an environment where people will be looking to government for answers.  Republican need to be providing realistic answers.  I’m glad Heritage has offered some realistic suggestions.</p>
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		<title>By: John E.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, Ellis is at least partially incorrect on the tax reform point, though I would welcome further input on this. The tax reform takes the health insurance tax deduction away from business and gives it to the individual. This is in principle tax revenue neutral for any employee with an employer provided health benefit, regardless of whether they currently owe any tax or not. 

Additionally the tax reform caps the amount of the tax-free health deduction, so part of the tax subsidy that currently goes to employees with high end health plans can be redistributed to those who currently receive no subsidy. This too provides an avenue to make the reform tax-revenue neutral while increasing health care coverage rates. And what is being redistributed here is not income but the government subsidy. That simply makes the tax code more fair and provides incentives, both appropriate from a conservatives point of view. 

Personally, I&#039;d like to be better informed on what a health exchange is and its pros and cons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, Ellis is at least partially incorrect on the tax reform point, though I would welcome further input on this. The tax reform takes the health insurance tax deduction away from business and gives it to the individual. This is in principle tax revenue neutral for any employee with an employer provided health benefit, regardless of whether they currently owe any tax or not. </p>
<p>Additionally the tax reform caps the amount of the tax-free health deduction, so part of the tax subsidy that currently goes to employees with high end health plans can be redistributed to those who currently receive no subsidy. This too provides an avenue to make the reform tax-revenue neutral while increasing health care coverage rates. And what is being redistributed here is not income but the government subsidy. That simply makes the tax code more fair and provides incentives, both appropriate from a conservatives point of view. </p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d like to be better informed on what a health exchange is and its pros and cons.</p>
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