Great job on panel and great job enlightening people as to the pure disdain theat the entire left (DemSocialist Party) has for this country.

Klein makes me want to vomit. It makes me even sicker to know that Obama and the Dems are even much further to the readical left that his disgrace to humanity (Klein) is.

Thanks for going into the heart of the scum discussion Brain and schooling them.

They don’t like the idea that people within a geographic area may have common interests that need protecting. Geography is an accident of nature to them. They believe people are divided by categories they can more easily manipulate, like class. Class is an entirely artificial construct with no basis in reality. Who’s poor? Who’s rich? Who’s black or white or oppressed? These are castes they can alter at a whim to change society more easily. Such ‘arbitrary’ things such as history and space are alien to the Marxist/Conflict model.
This is why they’re all so internationalist in scope. If they can manipulate world populations based on their artificial constructs, they can easily run society. The fact Chad exists in a desert and Congo in a jungle is simply an address change. People and their situations don’t matter. Categories of people matter. We are all just pieces on their chess board.

as a monumentally bad idea.

There are so many federal encroachments on our liberties and pocketbooks that would never have happened if senators were responsive to needs of their state legislature rather than independent power centers.

So china and india would also deserve 4x the US representation at the UN? I mean if states are passe, then nations before long are too,

Ignorant, yes. Perhaps stupid as well. But not original.

I heard the same collectivist crapola when I was in college in the ’60s. Of course, it was mouthed by a freshman in the living room of the fraternity house, and he was waving a can of PBR to emphasize his brilliance.

It’s even money that the aforementioned mouthy kid is now a tenured professor, trying to pack the same foul muck into fresh brains. Or perhaps he’s a writer for a major Old Media newspaper.

I have allways wondered how the 17th ever got passed in the first place .It goes directly against the constitution and should be struck down by the scotus.Just because it made it to ratification doesnt mean it should stand.

We cant take the high ground if We cant stand on the high ground.
Long be the Usa

Liberals despise the federalist system. They would of been right with keeping a king and passing laws via royal edict than the representative body we’re supposed to have. Klein is showing the same kind of disdain for smaller, less populated (thereby less wealthy) states, that many Virginians and New Yorkers felt in the founding of our nation. They were the land owners and felt they would sacrifice more for the republic and deserved more representation. However, they were as Klein put correctly, practical men… and for good reason. If you give too much authority or say to one state over another you create dissension among the several States. He can not see the wisdom in that because he’s a fan of the all powerful central government…

Klein points out that “states are unlikely to secede”. So did many in the 1840s when the nation was divided by political lines of great social and economic importance.

The elites never understand the simple man who wants to be left alone and treated fairly by his government.

But anyone who believes that the Compromise of 1787 was necessary to unite the nation to fight King George…whose forces had already surrendered six years earlier at Yorktown and who signed a peace treaty two years later needed to be held back. At least once.

then you know it’s a meme on the Journolist.

If the Senate should represent the people according to population, then it’s just the House, and there is no need for a Senate.

But he really sees no need for States. Accidents of history, they are.

And what’s with this House of Representatives? I mean, we have telephones and cars and jets and the Internet and Skype now. Why do we need Representatives, when we can tweet the Press Secretary directly about our potholes?

The left likes autocratic government a la the former czars of the Russian Empire, which is part of an explanation why the current administration has 40 czars and no end of appointments in sight.

little o likes recess appointments of his most controversial nominees because he doesn’t want the Senate to ask on C-Span questions of ethics for his L:abor Relations Board buddy (SEIU guy) or the new Medicare head who likes euthanasia.

There is the anecdote of Clintonite sycophant Paul Begala marveling at Clinton’s set aside of half the West as perpetual wilderness as law at the “stroke of the pen.” But such actions are exactly why the Founders broke from Great Britain. Clinton’s EO’s supposedly totaled 50,000.

Overall, the left really likes dictator-thugs like Castro, Mao, Lenin, and Stalin, and are only a little more shy about tyrants like Amin and Mugabe and Pot-Pol because they never were circumspect enough in their pursuits of cannabilism and the like to make like Hahvahd scholars in the process.

The sycophantic state-run media outlets seem to glom onto certain words and then run them aground. From the primaries to the present, all we heard about obama that he was such a pragmatist, or how pragmatic he is. I don’t think that klein and his ilk have even looked up what that word means. After 19+ months of his astute business acumen, and lawyering skills, he would more accurately described as the “anti-pragmatist”. I’m sure we all remember “gravitas”. Where’s obama’s?

1) must be at least a Liberal, a Marxist gets bonus points
2) must be an Ivy League graduate or very good impostor
3) must have been at the top of their class in the art of lying
4) must be a very good suck up and kisser
5) must flaunt your ideology with impunity
6) must bow and parrot incessantly to your masters
7) must be morally defunct
must hate America’s Constitutional Republic
9) must promote all Foreign Countries over America
drum roll please…
10) must be an AGW fanatic, an AGW lunatic gets extra points

After the debate, I had an opportunity to chat with Ezra. He is a good natured and nice guy.
I want to put conservatives on notice that there is a coordinated effort to repleal the filibuster. I may post on this later today. There have been a flurry and blizzard of posts from the left to argue for the filibuster to go away. The left is going to attack it in January of next year in an effort assert control in the Senate. Be prepared.
Awesome comments on this thread. Great discussion of the 17th Amendment. Have a great weekend.

The man is tempting fate there. He seemd oblivious to the fact that his sort of centralized statism is precisely what might fuel more discussions about secession as a remedy.

No news there.

This was a well thought out plan, not some political compromise cobbled together to get the small states on board (although there certainly was some such effect on the thinking). The idea is to safeguard the federal republic by dividing power between the people as represented in the House and the States as represented in the Senate. The 17th definitely disrupted the delicate balance, diminishing the influence of the States, and so by default increased the power of the federal government. It should be repealed.

As to Klein, I have no idea how he came to the position of prominence he enjoys. The guy is a hack. I blame, at least in part, the short-pants brigade at NRO, who seemed to adopt him as “a liberal we can talk to” – which I presume means one with a good enough expense account to pick up the lunch tabs.

Unfortunately, Mr. Klein thinks a little tyranny now and again is a good thing. As long as it is the right kind of tyranny, the eco-friendly, new world man, help balance the old marxist dielectic tyranny. Anything that prevents this tyranny from reaching its fruition is to be scorned. Thus Mr. Klein’s disdain for the Senate and the founding fathers. Heck why even bother with a House of Representatives, why not just have two consuls, one from the West Coast and one from the East Coast. Then let them appoint all the technocrats and cronies they need to run the govt.

This two-bit WaPo hack is a nothing and a nobody. MSNBC is definitely the right place for him to go showing off his intellectual wattage, such as it is.