The worst part of all is that if this goes through, they’ll have to TOTALLY redo the “I’m Just a Bill” bit from America Rock!

would probably have a right to sue for mental distress.

Imagine the lawyers lining up to get their 70% of a TRILLION dollar settlement….

LOL

This will be marked as the end of Obama’s “historic” presidency.

And also the death of the democratic party.

that they don’t have the votes and still want it passed, even if violates the constitution. I don’t know why they continue to keep anything that is so unpopular out in the media. I guess they don’t care what happens to them politically.

I admit that I don’t have a good understanding on what is planned here.

That said, it appears the Senate bill and some accompanying “reconciliation” is in the works.

IS IT POSSIBLE that Obama (and Pelosi / Reid) will pull a bait and switch and Obama will sign the Senate portion and then VETO the reconciliation portion — leaving the Senate bill as the (unconstitutional) but enacted law of the land?????

Yes, this would have dire consequences for the Dems in the midterm elections, but it is increasingly clear that Obama is an ideologue on a mission, and that he considers Democrat officeholders (if not the Democrat Party itself) to be useful idiots, expendable in the cause of the revolution.

Van Hollen Memo states:

“The Speaker has publically committed to trying to get a vote on both the reconciliation bill and the Senate bill on the same day. They are still trying to work out the final process on this and much of what we do depends on what the Senate Parliamentarian decides.”

They are planning two votes.

They can passboth bills. Send one to the POTUS for signature then, then immediately forward the recon bill to the Senate.

Lots of focus on the Slaughter Rule, but the key is still pressuring lawmakers on the Senate Bill vote. Too early for SCOTUS talk. Hit the phones. Send the emails. Pressure the fence sitters.

of a tennis match that will not end! Back and forth, back and forth and I am screaming for them to wake up! My gray hairs are coming back but I am calling, emailing and faxing all of them to just say NO!

I hope Obama is sent packing on his trip deflated and mourning the death of Obamacare. Now that is a dream come true:)

then I don’t have to abide by it.

Her pretending whether they use Slaughter trick or not, depends on the parliamentarian’s ruling, is hogwash. Whether they use Slaughter trick or not depends on whether they get the votes without it or they don’t. In other words, if they still do not have commitments of votes enough to pass the bill, then they will invoke the Slaughter trick. Since they obviously won’t get the votes without this trickery, they will use the trick. Pretending otherwise is just the usual shell game for the media. It wouldn’t surprise me if the email was purposely leaked in order to alert the media to shutup about Slaughter.

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Thugs on the loose, all pretense of being civilized and lawful junked once and for all. Exposed totally in their hatred for the people they made a living supposedly caring about. Years of lies, millions of little liberals congratulating themselves for their higher morality, the keen intelligence in knowing that government is Progress, and it all comes undone in this ugly moment,

As required by Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution, Members of Congress shall be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution. Representatives, delegates, and the resident commissioner all take the oath of office on the first day of the new Congress, immediately after the House has elected its Speaker. The Speaker of the House administers the oath of office as follows:

“I, (name of Member), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/memberfaq.html

The violation of their oath (failure to support the Constitution by supporting this procedure to circumvent the Constitution) is a violation of 18 U.S.C. 1918 and makes them ineligible to hold a position in the Government of the United States.

Citizens…Comrades!

You are struggling against your own best interests…we know, for we are The Government!

A future without all those troubling and pesky day-to-day decisions complicating your life is bright indeed!

No need to worry about whether to have a particular medical procedure done (or even whether to visit a Doctor)…WE”LL DECIDE FOR YOU!

No need to worry about whether to have a piece of pie or a glass of wine…WE”LL DECIDE FOR YOU!

No need to worry about what car to drive (or whether to drive at all!)…WE”LL DECIDE FOR YOU!

Onward to a brighter future, Comrades…we’ll tell you when you get there!

Lovingly,
Queen Piglosi

Many states (38 to be exact) have already passed or in the process of passing legislation to nullify any federal health care bill produced by the Democrats as an unconstitutional violation of the 10th Amendment.

If we lose at the federal level we need to redouble our efforts at the state level. I can see several states aggressively saying NO to this takeover. They’re just waiting for the ink to dry so they can challenge this turd.

See my diary – Federalism is Freedom: http://www.redstate.com/derkrieger/2009/12/28/federalism-is-freedom/

and visit the 10th Amendment Center to get informed and involved: http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/

More info on Arizona’s effort: http://www.azhealthcarefreedom.com/?

States lined up against Obamacare – needs more blogging and discussion: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/virginia-first-state-to-pass-health-care-freedom-act-38-states-lining-up-against-obamacare-86418607.html

Friday evening broadcast on the Slaughter trick:

http://marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930#

This is the second broadcast in a row that Mark has addressed the Slaughter trick.

I’d isolate the audio if I could.

This will be worse than Watergate by far, says Levin.

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This is a coup.

Take a really, really good look at them.

The Socialists are committing treason by willfully subverting the law because they cannot get their way lawfully.

Doing what they are doing, with their stated goals is treason. They should be treated as traitors if they attempt to shove through this bill, not pass it but shove it through in violation of the law. The law, via the constitution and parliamentary procedure rules is a large thing that separates the US from other third world nations in terms not only of personal freedom but also personal accountability. Once they do this, if they do this, then the law will mean very little until it is rectified and every man may feel themselves to be the only law they know aside from God’s, if they believe in divine law. It is a can of worms from which the only good thing that *might* remotely come from it is the possible rebuilding of the Union after much pain on everyone’s part at best and at worst may end the greatest governmental experiment put forward by mankind.

Traitors: Expect to hear that word more often. Expect to see that expectation acted on at some point by both sides in different ways.

to take all of the members of the House who vote for this illegality into custody for acts against the Constitution of the United States of America? I seriously doubt there is currently any love between the military and those sitting in D.C.

I really need some reassurance about now…..

The House is considering whether to have a single vote on two bills at once: (1) the Senate Health Care Bill and (2) the Reconciliation Bill.

The two bills that the House is now contemplating directly contradict each other. For example, one says that Nebraska gets the “Cornhusker Kickback” and the other says Nebraska does not get the “Cornhusker Kickback.” Which controls? Could a single bill say one thing and then later on say that that was just a joke and not to be taken seriously? I think not.

like the ones sitting in Congress, sometimes even your best isn’t enough. I refuse to quit fighting, but I am readying myself for a defeat. I have that old sick feeling in my stomach that went away for a while after Scott Brown’s election.

I only hope there will be a legal challenge to this thing, and that it will be either ruled unconstitutional or repealed before it gets entrenched. Once the so-called benefits kick in, it’s permanent.

The House Dems’ trick seems patently unconstutional. Wish a lawyer out there with a constutional law background would speak up. Art I Sec. 7 clearly states that both houses must pass the bill. True, SCOTUS is reluctant to interfere with the internal affairs of another branch of govt and could declare this to be a political question, but unlikely when Art I Sec 7 is so clearly violated. Don’t know who would have standing, but someone could seek to enjoin the bill from going to the WH for Obama’s signature while SCOTUS considers the matter.

Other problems with The Dems’ trick –Will the House “reconcilation” bill have the same number as their original HC bill? If not, then seems it is a separate bill which not only will not be a vote on the Senate bill but will require separate Senate approval. If the number is the same as their original bill, then they are in effect amending their original bill without Senate approval. This would drive Rube Goldberg nuts!

Dems’ plan has more holes than Swiss cheese. It’s a sign of desperation.

We can’t ascribe our own character traits, for lack of a more appropriate expression, to the opposition. I understand that if something is passed, it will be difficult if not impossible to undo. But that argument takes for granted that the thing would be done in the manner WE would do it, had we lost our minds completely. By that, I mean simply the thing would/could perform its intended function. These people are not so constrained. At this point, they desperately need to put forth SOMETHING, to save face. And whatever flimsy mess of contradictions and illegalities they propose, will have 50 states and the Supreme Court to contend with, as well as the possibility of countless individual lawsuits. And as insane and dangerous as it sounds, if that is what it takes to open sufficient eyes as to the true nature of these people’s intentions, so be it. If they want to publicly and proudly wave an unloaded and mal-designed firearm in a hospital ward on the national stage, so be it. They will be forced to pretend to be PROUD of this disaster, and it will be their downfall, if not epitaph.

They will say that the Senate Bill is incorporated in and amended by the Reconciliation Bill and thus a vote on the Reconciiation Bill satisfies the requirement for a vote on the Senate Bill as well. The Senate then only has to vote on the Reconcilliation Bill. The question then is merely an application of the Senate and House’s own rules rather than a Constitutional question. Remember, the unlimited debate and filibuster options are questions of a Senate rule, not a Constitutional question, so the Courts would give the Congress great deference in how it interpreted and applied its own rules.

Depressed now?

…unconstitutional, and President Obama signs it, will that be a valid reason to impeach him?

What happens when a US President knowingly signs a bill into law that bypassed the constitutionally mandated process? A law that is in and of itself unconstitutional?

What responsibilities do our representatives have when that happens?
What responsibilities do WE as citizens have when that happens?
Or the rest of the populace that have sworn to “uphold and defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic?”

Last January, in the discussion along the lines of ‘well, he’s not MY president’, I was a qualified ‘yes, he is’. At the time, my qualification was that he doesn’t try to surrender US soverenty, like making us pay taxes to the UN or putting American servicepeople under the jurisdiction of the world court.

It never ocurred to me to add ‘or if he attempts to enact a law passed through a completely unconstitutional power grab’.

I guess it just goes to show that you can never be too paranoid when dealing with marxists, facists, or whatever form of statist you want to call him.

The point I’mtrying to make is that there’s a point when loyalty to the country becomes incompatable with loyalty to the values of the constitution that are SUPPOSED to define what ‘the country’ is. And the majority party in DC is about to cross over that line.

And that is the concept of “What do the Dems know, that the rest of us do not?”
It is difficult to accept that so many career politicians are ready to see the inglorious end of the careers as a result of force feeding this monster down an unwilling populations collective throats.
Stein made an excellent point, always does, regarding how the punishment of the Democrat Party will mean little, if the bureaucracy is constructed in such a manner as to constantly lead to the left anyway.
I myself have mentioned often about how the sheer size of the almost benign sounding “comprehensive” construction of policy shaping Law is the liberal’s best ally in this effort. Laws so large, in scope and reach, that unwinding them after the fact is neigh on to impossible. And every single fight becomes a fight to change just a little tiny part of an iceberg octopus. You can only see a tiny percent of it, while the tentacles are more numerous to count, and inter-weaved throughout completely unrelated parts of other policy apparatus’.
So, again, what does Nobama, Pelosi, Reid and their gangs know that is still unsuspected by the rest of us?
And how does one prepare for a possible battle against an ‘enemy’ that is unknown, but approaching?

When he took over his first company. I knew then what I had “known” but not had proof for previously. He is a statist, and therefore incompatible with America’s Constitution, and American values. Unfortunately a lot of people were so drunk on change that they didn’t see it before it was too late. I only hope it isn’t too late for the country. If it isn’t, it’s darned close.

to enforce the constitution of the United States, by total rejection and definiance if necessary, this illgeal procedure in circumventing the US Constitution and Usurping the rights of People and SState Govertates, to have their US Reps., and Senator’ their authority to vote on all Bills before they become law. I say court challenges are clearly applicable, and the courts have the right to hear and litigate, such matters.

to enforce the constitution of the United States, by total rejection and defiance if necessary,of this illegal procedure in circumventing the US Constitution and usurping the rights of individual US Representaives., and Senator, their authority to vote on all Bills before they become law. I say court challenges are clearly applicable, and the courts have the right to hea,r and litigate such matters.

Corrected I hope!

But we know that is a fantasy: they are complicit in this, complicit in hiding this bare power-grab, complicit in hiding this coup d’etat.

If you feel fatalistically defeated right now, then start contacting everyone you know! This news must spread throughout the next few days. Post YouTube videos, if you have the ability.

And yes, tell especially people you know in the military, if they are not aware of the situation.

They should represent STATES and be subject to recall by state legislators. At minimum governors and legislatures could be calling them home and giving them “instructions.”

Grisly graphic, too:

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/13/constitution-butchers-stop-pelosis-slaughter-house/

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He, Goldman Sachs and others call the shots and aren’t bothered by elections. Outlooks for their success remain favorable no matter what. It might help if the right has a bunch of lawsuits ready to go. We’ll need them anyway to start getting out of the mess we’re in. Should the Obamas have to parachute out, they’ll be financially set which is all they wanted.

This will come in handy when using the RICO Laws to prosecute the illegal tactics being used by pelosi, reid and obama. There is plenty of room in Gitmo for more terrorists.

@earlgrey:
“I am in the defeatist camp usually, but I need a reason to fight. You can’t fight without hope. I’d like to see some posts on this.”

I feel completely helpless. Our collective fate rests in the hands of people who will do anything, even things borderline illegal, to make sure that they win this vote.

I am unreservedly against the Clinton model of governance by polling, but it seems so glaringly obvious that the general public is against this particular policy. If Obama can claim a mandate via winning 53% of the vote, then a policy polling at anywhere between 53% and 81% AGAINST should be automatically withdrawn from consideration. Or am I wrong?

I am not usually in the defeatist camp — silver linings abound in my world. It just seems that the storm clouds gathering on the horizon are unavoidable and even the prospect of a Republican majority at midterms is no comfort at all. The Democrats will simply do as much damage as possible to the Republic between now and January 2011, regardless of the consequences. And we have no Obi Wan to be our only hope…

I have joined, I have written, phoned, and marched; I have supported candidates far distant from my home; I have encouraged and informed family and friends in other states of the choices they face in their candidates; I have even risked my job by refusing to cozy up to a Democrat senator in hopes of government funding for a proposed project. I have fought in every way I know how except running for office myself (which I will never do for personal reasons), and yet here we are… and I am helpless.

This isn’t a pity party, it’s a cry from the heart: Is there someone who can offer hope to us now? (Hey, Dan…)

Regardless of the outcome, the one thing I won’t do is give up on my country. If the worst happens… ‘we’re going to live on…we’re going to survive…’ and we will find a way to make better of it.

We have always had the recourse of elections, but if those in power are going to circumvent the electoral process by enacting legislation without having it passed by our elected officials, then the only recourse we have left is the use of force isn’t it? I mean, I don’t think the SCOTUS has authority to remedy something internal to Congress, does it? If not, what is left?

If the Speaker and the President can just “deem” legislation to have been passed when it really hasn’t, then what is to stop them from “deeming” that a constitutional amendment has been passed to keep them in power indefinitely?

ditto

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