Obamacare Ping Pong


The left is discussing the breaking news that the Democrat leadership in the House and Senate plan on using a “Ping Pong” strategy to pass Obamacare.  This strategy avoids a conference committee and allows the liberal leaders to put themselves behind closed doors, in secret, to write an update to Obamacare.  Yet again, the elites in Washington exclude the American public and all members of the minority party from this secret sausage making process.

Sam Stein wrote in Huffington Post

The goal, in the end, is to expedite the congressional process by keeping it removed from Republican procedural shenanigans. By skipping a formal conference committee, for example, Democrats can avoid dealing with motions to recommit on contentious issues (whether they be Medicare cuts, late-life consultation, abortion or anything else). This, in turn, provides a narrower window for the GOP to turn the bill into a series of wedge issues and means that there is less of a potential for moderate and conservative Democrats to grow skittish about supporting the legislation.

The real goal of this process is to further disallow any dissent by Republicans and moderate Democrats, shut the American people out of the process, and further curtail opportunities for members to force votes on elements of Obamacare.  Stein further reports that there will be a meeting of the whole House Democrat Caucus, with some members calling into the meeting if they can’t attend in person, to discuss the outlines of a deal.  No Republicans are allowed to participate in this one sided conference, nor will the American people be allowed to even watch this official meeting to negotiate the future of American health care.

What is a Ping Pong?  The Ping Pong is an amendment between the House and Senate.  (Thanks to Open CRS) The Congressional Research Service (CRS) describes the procedures as follows in the report “Amendments between the Houses.”

When the House or Senate passes a measure, it is sent to the other chamber for further consideration. If the second chamber passes the measure with one or more amendments, it is then sent back to the originating chamber. In modern practice, the second chamber typically substitutes its version of a measure as a single amendment to the measure as passed by the first chamber. The first chamber then may accept the amendment or propose its own further amendment. In this way, the measure may be messaged back and forth between the House and Senate in the hope that both houses will eventually agree to the same version of a measure.

How this works in practice is that the House passed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) version of Obamacare, but the Senate refused to take that bill up.  The Senate moved to proceed to a House passed tax bill (for the purposes of avoiding violating the constitutional mandate that all revenue measures originate in the House) because they wanted to keep their options open to use a Ping Pong strategy.  The Senate gutted the House passed tax measure and inserted Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-NV) version of Obamacare.  Leader Reid inserted a few earmarks, dumped the public option and passed his bill with a managers package of amendments that bought just enough votes to overcome a Republican filibuster. 

Now this bill goes to the House where the House has the option of passing this bill intact, then sending it to the President.  They may choose to pass the bill, then work on a technical corrections bill to take another run at the pubic option, reform the tax provisions and further modify the abortion provisions.  More likely, the House takes up the Senate bill and inserts a complete substitute including measures they think can pass the Senate with a 60 vote majority.  Remember, unless if they somehow use a Reconciliation strategy, they need 60 votes to pass this measure again in the Senate.  Then the Senate can either pass the new bill or continue the Ping Pong process until one chamber can pass the bill intact.  Bottom line is that this process will cut out any significant participation by the public, the press and all federally elected Republicans.  So much for transparency and broadcasting the negotiations on C-Span.


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To mock a famous character of my youth:

Deskpilot (Diary) Tuesday, January 5th at 5:28AM EST (link)

R – E – I – D, D – I – C – K , U L- O – U – S

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This nail is sticking up plain as day

partyof1 Tuesday, January 5th at 6:45AM EST (link)

Why doesn’t the media hammer it?

Can they just this once remember what they used to be, what they should be.

“I’m going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We’ll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies – they’ll get a seat at the table, they just won’t be able to buy every chair. But what we’ll do is we’ll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents and who are making arguments on behalf of drug companies or the insurance companies.”

- Barack Obama, August 2008

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/26/politics/politico/main4546031.shtml

What? Don't tell me that Obama LIED

RedBeard Tuesday, January 5th at 7:26AM EST (link)

The Lightworker, The One who would lead us from the darkness and reveal a higher plane of enlightenment, has LIED to us?

Say it ain’t so.

Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.

More bad news for ya RedBeard

hickorystick (Diary) Tuesday, January 5th at 11:22AM EST (link)

I was dropping my daughter off at the ferry dock yesterday, and the sea levels were higher than I have ever seen them.. The water was 6″ below the beams going across the pilings.

 
 
 

Obama said it would be the most transparent Addmin ever.

gekster (Diary) Tuesday, January 5th at 6:46AM EST (link)

They were right. We can see exactly what they’re doing.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

are you kidding?

wbb1950 Tuesday, January 5th at 11:07AM EST (link)

When he was running for office, Obama promised two things relative to health care,: First, to chase the money changers, i.e. lobbyists from the temple. Second, to conduct those negotiations via C-Span. Bad things happened in the primary and the general election which caused him to be installed as President, Once he was installed, Obama conducted secret negotiations with health care lobbyists which eventuated in an agreement which would benefit the democratic party, and bury the middle class. The closed door meetings in Congress to pass Obamacare aka health care deform , which exclude Republicans and the public are simply an extension of that dirty deal which is obvious to sentient people in this country. And your answer to this is to quote Reagan and utter that gibberish about deer hunters in Michigan who shoot squirrels and trolls?

 
 

Transparency my behind...

theillinoisguy (Diary) Tuesday, January 5th at 7:44AM EST (link)

I love the transparency of this administration and their minions. Everything will be out in the open – bills will be on line for 72 hours for everyone to review, blah, blah, blah….
So good to see they will be working behind closed doors to find new an innovative ways to steal and give away out taxes.

http://theillinoisguy.wordpress.com/2010/01/05/fair-value/

Where is the GOP?

Kyle-MI (Diary) Tuesday, January 5th at 9:36AM EST (link)

They should be hammering the Dems on lack of transparency. This is 2010, an election year.

It's also 10 months before the swing voters are paying attention (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, January 5th at 11:12AM EST (link)

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Details on how to skirt the Constitution

bk (Diary) Tuesday, January 5th at 7:59AM EST (link)

It’s utterly ridiculous the way that “Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings” has come to override everything else in the Constitution related to the Legislative branch. As Brian pointed out, Pelosi wrote and the House passed one bill and the Reid wrote and the Senate passed a completely different bill.

Nancy’s was H.R.3962 – Affordable Health Care for America Act
Harry’s was S. H.R.3590 – Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

What?? How can a bill that was completely written in the Senate and had nothing to do with the House have a House number instead of a Senate number?

You do that by having the House pass H.R.3590 with little fanfare, controversy, or opposition when it was introduced as the Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act. Then the Senate gets it, chunks the contents, changes the name to “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act”, plugs in HarryCare, and voila! Now this revenue bill has passed muster as having originated in the House. The only part that originated in the House was the number of the bill.

It’s no different than if the House started each session by passing five bills: each one adding a 1-cent, 2-cent, 3-cent, 4-cent, or 5-cent income tax surcharge to individual incomes of over $1 trillion and let them stand as placeholders for any bills that (wink wink nudge nudge) the Senate might want to originate that include tax increases.

It certainly is

BlueLandRed (Diary) Tuesday, January 5th at 4:21PM EST (link)

messy, but unconstitutional??? Hardly, Congress has been making laws like you make sausage for a very very long time.

 
 

This is the new reality in Obama world.

NeoKong (Diary) Tuesday, January 5th at 8:14AM EST (link)

Take everything they do and call it the exact opposite of what it really is.
Hiding behind closed doors is transparency.
Republicans wanting to debate a bill in the open chamber is a shenanigan.
Adding 30 million people to a health care system will improve service.
Spending a trillion dollars is saving money.
Ten percent unemployment is jobs saved and created.
Millions of people protesting in the streets is massive public support.
Giving terrorists lawyers will improve national security.
Destroying the coal industry will create jobs.
A man who could be classified as a pedophile is the Safe schools czar.
A woman with absolutely no law enforcement or military or intelligence training is the Director of Homeland Security.
A man getting on a plane successfully with a bomb is the system working.
Returning war vets are labeled potential terror threats.

Up is down and black is white.
Cats and dogs are sleeping together. Mass hysteria.

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mwmom Tuesday, January 5th at 9:08AM EST (link)

Didn't somebody write a book about this?

Kyle-MI (Diary) Tuesday, January 5th at 9:33AM EST (link)

I think his name was Orwell.

 
 

Think of Democrats

10ksnooker (Diary) Tuesday, January 5th at 9:01AM EST (link)

As your two year old kid and you will understand them better.

Constitution, we don’t need no stinking Constitution. And openness, what you think dictators tell people where they are building the gulags.

 

Gotta watch those "contentious issues",

johnt Tuesday, January 5th at 9:59AM EST (link)

next thing you know you’ll be both thinking about them and debating them. Little lefties must love this, the arrogance. the misuse of power, the total contempt shown for the entire American nation, not just Republicans. It’s right up their alley, a complete reversal of their stated beliefs, a display therefore of moral nihilism.
The fascist hand shows itself yet again.

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

 

Let's see, they are oing to do everything as un-transparent as predicted,

jayburd (Diary) Tuesday, January 5th at 6:16PM EST (link)

then guess what? They will stand at the press conferences and news shows and rub republican congressman’s noses in it by referencing their supposed uncooperative and partisan behavior and the classic “where’s their bill?”. So if your congressman snarls but then still assumes the beta-dog submissive posture, get rid of them!

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The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The
difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the
money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%.Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People.” – Thomas A. Edison