Democrats Promote The Health Care Lie!
By Ken Taylor Posted in 2008 — Comments (44) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
One of the key issues that every Democrat Candidate for the 08 Nomination is running on is Universal Health Care. Each of the top tier candidates has released their Health Care manifestos and proposals that according to their own press gurus will make health care possible for the , "47 million Americans, " who are without any type of health coverage.
Amazingly in the first two quarters of this year health care ranked third or fourth and in some polls even lower down the list of important issues that , "trouble, " the voting public, but recently and, " coincidentally," since the Democrat Presidential candidates have been touting their health care proposals and claiming that they champion the uninsured and protect the poor from not being able to get good medical care, Universal Health Care has amazingly become the number one issue with the American public.
Every time you watch a television program or listen to the radio news advertisements air which claim that everyone is worried about health care and being uninsured. And of course that , "47 million, " number is ALWAYS mentioned in adds, debate, press releases and conferences along with talking head appearances.
Yet when the truth is revealed and this , "47 million, " number is actually scrutinized it is quickly discovered that not only is the number extremely over inflated but includes millions who CHOOSE not to have health coverage because they do not feel they need it, whether it is because they are young and healthy or have the financial capability to pay out of their own pocket for any health related expenses. Or a combination of both.
Let's break this number down to the real facts about the "uninsured."
1 - 10 million of the, "47 million, " are ILLEGAL ALIENS who are uninsured because they have broken the law to enter the country and cannot be eligible for private health care and in most states are not eligible for government programs like Medicaid.
2 - 8.3 million who are counted among the , "47 million, " who cannot afford health insurance individually make between $50, 000 and $74, 999 dollar per year and choose not to purchase health care in order to enjoy more expensive cars, houses etc.
3 - 8.74 million make more than $75,000 dollars per year and again choose to not purchase health care and in many instances actually pay all health care expenses out of pocket BECAUSE they can afford it!
So just scratching the surface of the , "47 million, " subtracting the above numbers we find the, "uninsured, " at 19.96 million or less than 7 % of the population and this statistical break down is not over yet.
4 - 8.9 million of the 19.96 million left are uninsured because they have recently changed jobs and as such are either waiting for the usual 60 - 90 day eligibility requirement to sign up for company paid health care.
This now brings the number down to 11.6 million.
5 - According to the Congressional Budget Office of this number 45% will be uninsured for less than four months. This equates to another 4.9, which drops the number to 6.7 million uninsured individuals.
6 - It is also worth noting that of that final number of 6.7 million most if not all of those are eligible for government programs such as Medicare and Medicaid who are either in the process of filing and awaiting acceptance to the programs or have not filed yet for various reasons but are still eligible.
Where then is the, "Health Care Crises ?" In the minds of liberal Democrats who use this as a scare tactic as they have the Democrat created fear of seniors having Social Security benefits cut by evil Republicans. Which as we all know in 12 years of a GOP controlled Congress not only did not happen but Social Security benefits increased many times.
Democrats are using this scare tactic with inflated statistics and false reporting to promote Universal Health Care which with every program that is being touted by candidates regulates medicine to gain government control of a vital free market system. Mandates Americans to acquire coverage under these liberal/socialist programs in order to give Democrat government control of EVERY citizen of The United States.
This move by Democrats has nothing to do with , "compassion, " for the poor and uninsured, but has everything to do with acquiring complete power over Americans through massive government programs and as such forcing dependency of the people on the Federal Government which is the catalyst to a Democrat controlled American Socialism.
Ken Taylor http://theliberalslies.blogspot.com
looks pretty similar to Mark Steyn's editorial this past Sunday.
http://www.nysun.com/article/63254?page_no=1
I didn't see if the Steyn article was referenced as the source of this post, but it notes a lot of the same stats and where they are derived from.
It appears that the individual numbers he cites are solid, so far as I can tell, but there are a few of these groups that may be overlapping that he appears to double-count, and this diary does the same thing. Let's not fight bad math with bad math. The 47 million figure can be greatly overstated without the true figure being anywhere near zero.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
I agree. The math looks a little questionable on both fronts. The double-counting was exactly my question as well. I suspect the 47M is WAY overblown, but I'd prefer to be as accurate as possible, AND have the good numbers available to effectively joust with my lefty friends.
...when they see me they'll say, "There goes Loren Wallace,
the greatest thing to ever climb into a race car."
So they CREATE a problem using faulty information. Sounds like a democrat to me. It's not about providing health care, it's about control. That's what it's always about.
-imwithfred-
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
I figured the number was pretty inflated. These facts should be pushed out into the public domain. This could be a great counter to ShrillaryCare and ShrillaryPaign.
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Where are our candidates, and why are they not calling the dems on these lies?
The naive forgive and forget.
The foolish forget but do not forgive.
The wise forgive but do not forget.
Our side needs really special circumstances to win on a negative campaign, because we don't get amplification in the mainstream press.
We have to run on actual ideas and substance, unlike they.
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I know the dems will try to spin it that way, but questioning their statistics doesn't equate to negative campaigning. The Rep frontrunners SHOULD be calling them on it.
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If you're talking down your opponent: correcting your opponent, criticizing your opponent, questioning the honesty or integrity of your opponent, that's not positive campaigning about yourself, what you would do, and why people should vote for you.
And I think at this point they need to be more worried about the last point: convincing people that they deserve votes.
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...but it's NOT, and I don't know why we simply allow it. Correcting their "facts" should be an every day occurance, and when the media tries to spin that as "negative campaigning" we should call them on it every time.
-imwithfred-
It's really simple: telling me why I shouldn't vote for the Democrat is *not* equivalent to telling me why I should vote for the Republican, or even a particular Republican in the primary.
These guys' #1 job is to win the Republican nomination after all, unifying us.
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with calling them on fudging the numbers. FWIW, I agree the campaign should be "vote for me".
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I could see Rudy trotting these facts out since he is taking on Shrillary more directly these days.
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...when they see me they'll say, "There goes Loren Wallace,
the greatest thing to ever climb into a race car."
from one of the Sunday shows behind a copy of that bust on your front porch and there you go--all ready for Halloween. Think there's any way to get a candle in that thing?
Shrillary, especially after seeing her witchy poo psychotic laugh on The Chris Wallace Show.
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practically speaking, in terms of routine needs
Bewteen higher deductibles, co-pays and low reimbursement for prescription meds, they pay a good deal of routine health care expenses out-of-pocket. Then there's dental work, which again is largely uninsured.
Most Americans ARE insured for major medical problems, and benefit from the quality care offered by the American health care system, which is the envy of the world.
I've got homeowners insurance so I won't be ruined if my house burns down. I don't call my insurance company if I need to replace a lightbulb.
Our guys need to call them on this. It is not negative campaigning-it is not a personal attack, and it can be backed up. The problem for the Republican party is that an increasing number of people believe this and other similar(yet equally fallacious) mantras.
We need to start dismantling the myths that the left has created and sustains in order to win elections.
The naive forgive and forget.
The foolish forget but do not forgive.
The wise forgive but do not forget.
To the national Democrats, "crisis" means "an opportunity for massive tax increases and more control from Washington". They like to find a way to package it so that anyone opposed to it is a heartless b*st*rd.
"Health Care Crisis" is perfect.
Millions of illegals streaming across the border does not therefore qualify as a "crisis", at least not in terms of national security.
If a liberal can not get their hands on …an issue, your car, your house, your children, your mind, your soul, ect. then there is a crisis.
As long as you support the liberal cause you are protected under their laws, which in turn our laws get broken...illegal migrants for instant. So there’s no reason to follow the law, because the liberal will make a crisis until we obey their laws not the one that were passed by America’s government and upheld through out the years in the court system.
So no surprise about the universal health care just one more step to liberal submission although most liberals I know despite not having a formal education live quite well and think the government takes too much of their money.
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The 10 million figure--or 21% of the total uninsured, refers to foreign-born non-citizens, regardless of their status. I don't expect 100% of legal immigrants to be insured, so your claim that all of those 10 million immigrants are illegal is preposterous.
http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/05/uninsured-cps/fig7.gif
I challenged the Des Moines Register Editorial Board several weeks ago. I went to the Census Bureau and looked up their statistics. The 10 million number for illegals is accurate and you can further break down the numbers. Here is the response I got back from the Des Moines Register.
Mark:
I make no apologies for that number. We say that it's a census figure.
We did use the term "Americans" intentionally, rather than "American
citizens." It's well known that the census enumerates all people, whether
they're citizens or noncitizens.
We understand, obviously, that the cost of unreimbursed health care,
often in hospital emergency rooms, for illegal immigrants is a serious
issue. But that wasn't the point of the editorial.
All that said, thank you for writing. Any reminder to be as transparent
as possible with numbers is valid. I do concur with the notion that
statistics can be terribly twisted.
Carol Hunter
I thought being an American meant you were an American citizen.
Carrying it to the next logical step, would we have to say Ahmadinejad has been an American for the past two days?
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Do you have a link showing that 10 million of those without insurance are illegal?
In this US Census Bureau press release from 2006, it's said that
The number and rate for noncitizens also remained statistically unchanged at 9.5 million and 43.6 percent, respectively, in 2005.
A noncitizen's status can be legal or illegal.
An email debate with a liberal friend of mine and his main point is that insurance should not be a for profit industry because it puts profits above Health care and by placing the duty in the hands of the government we solve this problem. How do we respond to this point?
"The nine most dangerous words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'"
Ronald Reagan
Then ask him what it means, exactly, to 'put profits above health care.'
Then ask him if Doctors should work for free.
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Doctors and drug cos but he feels that ins cos will refuse coverage to those they deem too sick and also do everything they can to not pay for treatment. He thinks that ins cos put people through the ringer specifically because they want to make a profit and if the government took over and put treatment above profit then that would resolve the problem.
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I have it is the gift that keeps on giving.
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"An email debate with a liberal friend of mine and his main point is that mortgage brokering should not be a for profit industry because it puts profits above home ownership and by placing the duty in the hands of the government we solve this problem. How do we respond to this point?"
Socialists will demagogue anything.
It's such a fine line between stupid and clever. - David St. Hubbins
Health and Gaia Worship are your two biggies.
Haven't you ever watched the news, hearing about the latest fatwa from the Health Mullahs? Red Wine is Good for Your Heart. Don't Eat Trans Fats. Demon Tobacco Will Condemn Your Soul. Sleep exactly Seven Hours, No More, No Less.
But the people not in that are in the Gaia Worship thing. Save the whales, Save the rainforests, and now that lovely catchall Climate Change. Humanity is the source of all evil in the world.
So the left gets worked up about 'health care' for good reason!
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And my example was jobs. I said after providing Health care for all they could make sure to provide jobs for all. He said my so called slippery slope arguement was ridiculous and not one that anyone with an IQ over 110, he is a scientist, can see through.
His point is that our system stops people from getting life saving treatment and they don't get them because the Insurance is a for profit business.
"The nine most dangerous words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'"
Ronald Reagan
as I don't entirely understand what is meant by this.
There are insurred persons who have insurance that omits coverage by contract, People are usually free to select the insurance and cost that fits their case. I personally believe there should be even more choices, including upping the lifetime maximum by paying a higher premium.
Another part of the system is that people are not compelled to buy insurance, Is this what is bothering him/her?
Of course there are people who are not covered, this thread explains a lot of the reasons that exist for no coverage, of particular concern is the group who could have coverage but have decided that the odds favor them so they opt out to save a few bucks.
Is it that doctors know the limits of various insurance plans and out of prior agreement will not discuss treatments that will not be covered? This unfortunate situation does exist, but comes under the heading of select the right insurance.
From personal experience, our son was insurred at a one million level and suffered such a severe accident that his insurance ran out. He should have had more insurance, and because doctors saved his life, the cost of care exceeded his maximum. He was cut off the day the maximum was exceeded and some doctors ended up eating the cost of care when this happened. Does this lead me to desire government care in place of private care? No I only wish he had selected a better policy. A serious life threatening situation can exceed the one million limit in a matter of a few months.
Though I know that my friend would insist all life saving treatments be covered and that as a nation we have the responsibility to treat those that are about to die and the Insurance cos and their profit motives are what stops us from it.
I would also point out that Stossel has excellent analysis on Health care today in RCP. I would Link myself but it is too difficult off my BlackBerry.
"The nine most dangerous words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'"
Ronald Reagan
because people do not want to work and pay for their expenses. They want health care to be "free" meaning their successful neighbors should pay for it. The irony is insurance IS the reason costs are so high. Yet are cluless government thinks more insurance is the answer.
Molon Labe!
But you knew that.
Homebuilding should not be a for-profit industry -- because it puts profits above giving Americans shelter from the rain.
The petroleum industry should not be a for-profit industry -- because it puts profits above giving Americans the means to leave their houses and have jobs.
The produce industry.....
The clothing industry....
The shipping industry....
We could go on and on -- other than the promote communism Hollywood cabal and the hate America national press, pretty much ANY industry is vital to SOMEBODY.
If your idiot friend wants to just be rid of the free market and make us a socialist state, he needs to just say so.
It's war -- so when can we start shooting back at the enemy Democrats?
Slap your friend in the face, tell him to take Econ 101.
Repeat as often as necessary.
“I am telling people loosen your ties, fire up the coffee pots, get ready for the weekend, ... We've got a lot of work to do.”
- John Bolton
Beyond numbers, this issue is becoming increasingly driven by emotion. Undoubtedly, your analysis vitiates their statistics and unveils a severe argumentative weakness. Nonetheless, there continues to be a decreasing amount of intellectual intervention by the public.
In view of rising healthcare costs and some restrictions on care, Democrats will play their classic role of demagogue and appeal to passion above intellectual forethought or problem solving. Unfortunately, as of right now, it appears to be working. They yell “free stuff”, “burn them at the stake” (the healthcare industry), “tax the rich for it” and the mob salivates; never realizing someone has to pay for the free stuff (besides the rich, which is now a middle class family with two working parents), the government never offers anything without restrictions and burning at the stake creates ashes, which does not fix the problem.
exempli gratia they pass over issues such as the severe impact certain types of lawsuits have on costs and oppose related tort reforms. This is all effectuated on the bet people will find legal matters somewhat ethereal. Democrats then defend a right to demand proper care and lawsuits as somehow serving as a mitigant. While certainly it is easy to envision how that could be a potential avenue of recourse, someone else always end up paying the unreasonably sizable awards; that someone else is the other healthcare system participants.
Overall, I believe this will be the next biggest issue after the war in this coming election. If we are not forceful in talking about our solutions, and there are many beyond socialized healthcare, this will overtake us like a plague. SCHIP is just the begining of their emotional appeal, which we will all pay a very high price for.
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Can you provide a reference(s) for your stats? I'm sure the naysayers will want to see it...
...when they see me they'll say, "There goes Loren Wallace,
the greatest thing to ever climb into a race car."