If A Volcano Erupts In The Arctic And Man Is Not There To Cause It, Is It Still Global Warming?
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This week two major stories that concern the Man Made Global Warming debate have come to my attention. The first, This summer may see first ice-free North Pole, has been widely reported with banner headlines, proclaiming that this is the first time the arctic will be ice free in "recorded history."
The second article, Volcanic eruptions reshape Arctic ocean floor: study has, for some unexplained reason, received much less publicity.
In an article peddled by the Associated Press, Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) acolytes received a dosage of red meat, in the news that this summer the North Pole might be ice free.
Part of a never-ending AGW doom-and-gloom we're-all-gonna-die media barrage designed to scare people into accepting the pseudo-science that surrounds cataclysmic climate change caused by man, the article presents the impression that this is an event unprecedented in human history.
WASHINGTON (AP) — There's a 50-50 chance that the North Pole will be ice-free this summer, which would be a first in recorded history, a leading ice scientist says.
The weather and ocean conditions in the next couple of weeks will determine how much of the sea ice will melt, and early signs are not good, said Mark Serreze. He's a senior researcher at the National Snow and Ice Data Center and the University of Colorado in Boulder, Colo.
The chances for a total meltdown at the pole are higher than ever because the layer of ice coating the sea is thinner than ever, he said.
This report has spawned like-minded apocalyptic press accounts all over the media. It is interesting, therefore, the lack of interest the Mainstream Media (MSM) has taken in the second story, concerning the discovery of major volcanic activity under the Arctic Ocean. In fact, the article from the French Press Agency (AFP); while reporting what is a most interesting story of tectonic activity beneath the ocean surface; never mentions global warming at all.
PARIS (AFP) - Recent massive volcanoes have risen from the ocean floor deep under the Arctic ice cap, spewing plumes of fragmented magma into the sea, scientists who filmed the aftermath reported Wednesday.
The eruptions -- as big as the one that buried Pompei -- took place in 1999 along the Gakkel Ridge, an underwater mountain chain snaking 1,800 kilometres (1,100 miles) from the northern tip of Greenland to Siberia.
Scientists suspected even at the time that a simultaneous series of earthquakes were linked to these volcanic spasms.
But when a team led of scientists led by Robert Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts finally got a first-ever glimpse of the ocean floor 4,000 meters (13,000 feet) beneath the Arctic pack ice, they were astonished.
A more complete analysis of the two pieces, and all the supporting links are available at The Minority Report/Hinzsight Report.
Before any of the liberal/AGW enthusiasts jump all over this piece, and claim that I am a "Denier" because I disbelieve that man is the cause for world climate change, I suggest a remedial reading class and re-reading the entire article and supporting links.
we are told that an increase of CO2 in the atmosphere of a few parts per million is bringing about cataclysmic climate change, and you suggest that an entire range of underwater active volcanoes is irrelevant to melting arctic ice melt?
Ok, if you say so.
I think the volcanic activity could shift currents and make ice in the immediate vicinity more vulnerable to wind and wave action, making a sort of domino effect on surrounding ice.
I thought when all that ice melted, all of the shoreline cities were supposed to be underwater? What happened? I was looking forward to being able to put my house up for sale as ocean front property next year....
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They are talking about the great ice shields.
Ice sitting in water can never cause a flood by itself when it melts. The volume of ice is always greater than the water it floats in. That is why ice floats.
But if a great ice shelf sitting on Greenland or Antarctica were to slide into the ocean and melt away, it would cause sea level increases.
That said, these article claiming that ice melting around the poles is a sign of catastrophe or is unique and has never happened before are misleading, to put it diplomatically.
Here is a report from the days prior to the climate of fear that is so pervasive today:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,53420,00.html
Here is another look at this issue:
http://www.john-daly.com/polar/arctic.htm
a picture from May 1987 of 3 submarines (HMS Superb, USS Billfish, USS Sea Devil) surfaced at a very wet North Pole. The picture is about a quarter of the way down.
The volcanic activity is interesting, and may be influencing some events in the Arctic, but is not likely responsible for large scale melting. I think we will be seeing sa time goes forward that the ice very sensitive to currents and winds. And that the present state of the ice is well within normal long term dynamics.
It's nice to know that we have some wonks on our side in this debate.
With airlines canceling flights and commuters using less fuel for the first time in 30 years, I think that we're in a good position to say that AGW is not man-made and probably doesn't matter.
Next time you're at a BBQ and your wacky liberal aunt spouts off about global warming, ask her if the sun has changed temperature at all in the last 100 years or if it is always the exact same temperature. That usually stumps them.
You should also ask if the earth has gotten warmer or cooler over the last 3 billion years.
Given that the earth has a long-term cooling trend and that the sun does not maintain a constant temperature, the AGW fanatics are kind of like tribal shaman trying to predict the weather based on the length of a buffalo's tooth. Like someone trying to measure his weight while hopping around in a bounce house.
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If the scale on the left side of the satellite photo is accurate, this simply yet more shrillness from the AGW promotion industry:
http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh
They are once again counting on people memory holing it. Meanwhile they can beat people about the head with it.
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In a single week - Hansen calling for political trials against those who dare disagree and a rehashed, non-credible manipulation posing as a science article, from The Guardian.
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this is an expected part of the climate cycle?
claims- or the lack of the same:
CO2 has- if the data regarding the past is correct- risen from about 280 parts per million to about 380 parts per million since the pre-Industrialization period. That is about a ~36% increase in about 200 years.
If the sun varied its output a tiny fraction of that we would have a completely different planet, much less climate.
http://ieg.or.kr:8080/abstractII/G0102523037.PDF
I am not saying we should not deal with the underlying pollution that has led to increased CO2. I am saying that CO2 is only one trait, and by far not the most risky, of the complex of issues we should be concerned with.
A small change in the sun, in the very low single digit % range, would over whelm this planet's climate system completely.
Efforts should be based on cleaning up things that actually hurt us - toxins, soots, aerosols, synthetic chemicals that can mimic hormones or induce metabolic changes. Land use, water use, biodiversity and habitat. All are more important, inmho, than CO2.
if they start off any discussion with the other shrillness of the debate is over and then go to the North pole ice melt.
I'm with you on this though, if there is that much volcanic activity under the ice, the water temp itself has to have gone up and I don't see how it could NOT have had any affect.
Then again, there's an endless list of things I think they need to consider in the equation, like solar energy, that they just throw onto the trash heap as being insignificant.
What you mean again:
The North Pole is melting.
The thick ice that has for ages covered the Arctic Ocean at the pole has turned to water, recent visitors there reported yesterday. At least for the time being, an ice-free patch of ocean about a mile wide has opened at the very top of the world, something that has presumably never before been seen by humans and is more evidence that global warming may be real and already affecting climate.
-- New York Times Aug 19, 2000
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For the first time in human history the North Pole may become ice free.
Don't worry. A volcanic eruption occurred 10 years ago. If you have no reason to believe that linked with this unprecedented lack of ice you aren't thinking conservatively rationally enough.
End sarcasm. Conservativism need not imply a rejection of rationality. It is unfortunate that Al Gore had to get that Nobel Peace Prize, he didn't deserve it. A real conservative doesn't let that event make decisions for them.
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relevant?
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They made fair claim to the mineral potential of their Arctic territory, if you grant them the triangle from the North Pole to the ends of their northern coastline, and if you also regard the flag-planting submarine mission with amusement and appreciation of the effort on its own terms. At least we know one of our energy dealers has a comfortable supply-based outlook.
They were predicting the same thing in the late 1800s.
Uhmm I am also kind of curious where this first time in human history thing comes from. The first north pole expedition was in the 1800s.
So in this case call me when it happens.
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Draw your own conclusion about that prediction
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You may already have it, but enjoy it if you don't:
http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh
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Remember the mysterious (and growing!) "Ozone Hole" that was going to consume us all before the 1992 election? It was pretty much never seen again after the election of Clinton...
has occurred since 1998 by the AGW crowd? But it will resume in 2015. Why didn't those guys tell us it would stop warming 7 years before 1998?
how many people thought the WWI years were the apocalypse, because no one had yet seen such horrific confluence of war, disease and pestilence.
Frankly, if it warmed up a couple of degrees, I'd consider moving into the Artic. The trouble is, the place would be Mosquito Heaven for six weeks out of the year instead of three...
But, at least, I'd have a decent amount of open water on the Northwest Passage to cross over to Siberia on summer vacations.
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Scientists (most are idiots if you go by where they graduate from) - (not really just most of them), but you could have a nice live assuming that you adore lower temperatures... Of course the leftists will say that you have to endure higher temperatures (whew - what a relief - heh)...
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I do have a son, a PHd in microbiology who says bullshit..
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Actually, the articles report that the North Pole might become ice-free this summer. Big difference from saying the entire Arctice Ocean will become ice-free. My understanding is that much of this open water issue relates to anomalous sea currents pushing the ice elsewhere
However, assuming that we do have a genuine decrease in Arctic ice (which will start to accelerate due to albedo changes), is this related to CO2 or to increased soot deposition on ice surfaces? The latter seems much more likely - and the culprit is undeniable (clue: dinner dishes).
How much more satisfying for the AGW fanatics to find another reason to flog the U.S. instead, since we make such satifying victims of their bullying. They know that China will turn a deaf ear to their guilt-tripping...
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