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		<title>By: jimmyg</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/12/09/winningatallcosts/#comment-388</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seached, and I might have missed something, but I could not find any links or quotes from Brian Kelly that he is pro choice. Am I missing something? Here is a link from Friday&#039;s South Bend Tribune article on Kelly where the abortion issue is addressed. www.southbendtribune.com/article/20091212/SPORTS13/312129999/-1/googleNews29999/-1/googleNews</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seached, and I might have missed something, but I could not find any links or quotes from Brian Kelly that he is pro choice. Am I missing something? Here is a link from Friday&#8217;s South Bend Tribune article on Kelly where the abortion issue is addressed. www.southbendtribune.com/article/20091212/SPORTS13/312129999/-1/googleNews29999/-1/googleNews</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/12/09/winningatallcosts/#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hermes</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/12/09/winningatallcosts/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>Hermes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree wholeheartedly with you.

The problem lies in two specific documents, however, that have directly cast the American Catholic education system into direct conflict with Rome.

The first is the Land O&#039;Lakes statement of 1967 in which the heads of Catholic universities (in the so-called &quot;Spirit of Vatican II and academic freedom&quot;) essentially committed to the position that any Catholic school head can and should be able to tell his/her local bishop to get stuffed.  In clear violation of canon law (teaching authority of the bishops and the Magisterium), these administrators destroyed the authentic Catholic identity of American Catholic Universities (including Notre Dame). 

Pope John Paul II responded to this during his papacy in Ex Corde Ecclesiae (1990).  Ex Corde says, in effect, that Land O&#039;Lakes has no basis in Catholic tradition, doctrine, or canon law.  In theory any Catholic administrator pulling this kind of garbage should be removed by his local bishop, but the bishops have been very, very gun-shy about invoking this given that it would result in a massive legal battle.  

The best hope for Catholic parents is to check out some of the college guides published by the Cardinal Newman Society or EWTN or another reputable Catholic source.  A very few Catholic universities are still authentically Catholic; you owe it to your kids to check them out.  Here&#039;s a freebie: University of Dallas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree wholeheartedly with you.</p>
<p>The problem lies in two specific documents, however, that have directly cast the American Catholic education system into direct conflict with Rome.</p>
<p>The first is the Land O&#8217;Lakes statement of 1967 in which the heads of Catholic universities (in the so-called &#8220;Spirit of Vatican II and academic freedom&#8221;) essentially committed to the position that any Catholic school head can and should be able to tell his/her local bishop to get stuffed.  In clear violation of canon law (teaching authority of the bishops and the Magisterium), these administrators destroyed the authentic Catholic identity of American Catholic Universities (including Notre Dame). </p>
<p>Pope John Paul II responded to this during his papacy in Ex Corde Ecclesiae (1990).  Ex Corde says, in effect, that Land O&#8217;Lakes has no basis in Catholic tradition, doctrine, or canon law.  In theory any Catholic administrator pulling this kind of garbage should be removed by his local bishop, but the bishops have been very, very gun-shy about invoking this given that it would result in a massive legal battle.  </p>
<p>The best hope for Catholic parents is to check out some of the college guides published by the Cardinal Newman Society or EWTN or another reputable Catholic source.  A very few Catholic universities are still authentically Catholic; you owe it to your kids to check them out.  Here&#8217;s a freebie: University of Dallas.</p>
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		<title>By: CincoSolas_del_Bronx</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/12/09/winningatallcosts/#comment-385</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in &lt;i&gt;The Voyage of the Dawn Treader&lt;/i&gt;, when King Caspian commands a frontier governor to end the local slave trade:&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;But that would be putting the clock back,&quot; gasped the governor. &quot;Have you no idea of progress, of development?&quot;

&quot;I have seen them both in an egg,&quot; said Caspian. &quot;We call it &#039;Going Bad&#039; in Narnia.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in <i>The Voyage of the Dawn Treader</i>, when King Caspian commands a frontier governor to end the local slave trade:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;But that would be putting the clock back,&#8221; gasped the governor. &#8220;Have you no idea of progress, of development?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I have seen them both in an egg,&#8221; said Caspian. &#8220;We call it &#8216;Going Bad&#8217; in Narnia.&#8221;
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		<title>By: OccamsRazor</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/12/09/winningatallcosts/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>OccamsRazor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don&#039;t like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don&#8217;t like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: 6eorge Jetson</title>
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		<dc:creator>6eorge Jetson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that to mean &quot;progress&quot; (as in a superficial, false appearance of progress).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that to mean &#8220;progress&#8221; (as in a superficial, false appearance of progress).</p>
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		<title>By: proudmarinemom</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote to Fr. Jenkins and signed the petition to withdraw Obama&#039;s invitation to speak at ND, to no avail.  I also wrote to my parish priest and expressed my frustrations with the Church and the failure to stop this charade.  I got a &quot;you should lighten up&quot; response.

Eight of my nieces and nephews attend the Catholic school in a D.C. suburb  which I and my many siblings attended in the 60s and 70s.  It was a middle-class neighborhood back then but is a very affluent, upscale area now.  Lots of late-model SUVs and BMWs in the parking lot now (my mom&#039;s dented Pontiac station wagon would never blend.)  Recently the principal there sent a broadcast cell phone message to school families explaining how important it was to tune in to &quot;President Obama&#039;s Inspiring Speech on Education.&quot;  She continues to remind the children to honor Dear Leader Obama on a regular basis.  The pastor says nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote to Fr. Jenkins and signed the petition to withdraw Obama&#8217;s invitation to speak at ND, to no avail.  I also wrote to my parish priest and expressed my frustrations with the Church and the failure to stop this charade.  I got a &#8220;you should lighten up&#8221; response.</p>
<p>Eight of my nieces and nephews attend the Catholic school in a D.C. suburb  which I and my many siblings attended in the 60s and 70s.  It was a middle-class neighborhood back then but is a very affluent, upscale area now.  Lots of late-model SUVs and BMWs in the parking lot now (my mom&#8217;s dented Pontiac station wagon would never blend.)  Recently the principal there sent a broadcast cell phone message to school families explaining how important it was to tune in to &#8220;President Obama&#8217;s Inspiring Speech on Education.&#8221;  She continues to remind the children to honor Dear Leader Obama on a regular basis.  The pastor says nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: KathW</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/12/09/winningatallcosts/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>KathW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hearing your reiteration of Bishop Rhoades is wonderful.  He is in my prayers as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hearing your reiteration of Bishop Rhoades is wonderful.  He is in my prayers as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/12/09/winningatallcosts/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from being the bishop who converted Augustine to Christianity, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/library_author/35/St._Ambrose.html&quot;&gt;St. Ambrose&lt;/a&gt;, bishop of Milan,  most courageously excommunicated the powerful Catholic Emperor Theodosius I for a massacre of innocent civilians in Thessalonica.  He literally stood at the doors of the cathedral and blocked the emperor&#039;s entrance.  Theodosius responded - to everyone&#039;s surprise - not by prosecuting and executing Ambrose for treason, but by repenting and doing some serious acts of penance before returning to the sacraments.

A word of warning to any non-Catholics who may be considering the writings of the first and second century &quot;Early Church Fathers&quot; like &lt;A href=&quot;http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html&quot;&gt;Clement of Rome, Mathetes, Polycarp, Ignatius, Barnabas, Papias, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus&lt;/a&gt;, or Ambrose... to become familiar with these writings is to become Catholic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from being the bishop who converted Augustine to Christianity, <a href="http://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/library_author/35/St._Ambrose.html">St. Ambrose</a>, bishop of Milan,  most courageously excommunicated the powerful Catholic Emperor Theodosius I for a massacre of innocent civilians in Thessalonica.  He literally stood at the doors of the cathedral and blocked the emperor&#8217;s entrance.  Theodosius responded &#8211; to everyone&#8217;s surprise &#8211; not by prosecuting and executing Ambrose for treason, but by repenting and doing some serious acts of penance before returning to the sacraments.</p>
<p>A word of warning to any non-Catholics who may be considering the writings of the first and second century &#8220;Early Church Fathers&#8221; like <a href="http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html">Clement of Rome, Mathetes, Polycarp, Ignatius, Barnabas, Papias, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus</a>, or Ambrose&#8230; to become familiar with these writings is to become Catholic.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/12/09/winningatallcosts/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to me its about the fact that while some private former Christian schools have chosen to operate as  secular schools, Notre Dame continues to hold itself up as a model of Catholic education. Based on that image, that cannot make a man the face of their school who refuses to accept Catholic teaching, as a cafeteria Catholic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to me its about the fact that while some private former Christian schools have chosen to operate as  secular schools, Notre Dame continues to hold itself up as a model of Catholic education. Based on that image, that cannot make a man the face of their school who refuses to accept Catholic teaching, as a cafeteria Catholic.</p>
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		<title>By: penguin2</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/12/09/winningatallcosts/#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>penguin2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but to start taking back ceded ground.  I had not realized until last spring, with Obama as speaker at Notre Dame&#039;s commencement, how secular almost all of the Catholic universities and colleges had become. I think there are many other Christian founded schools that are centuries old, which have experienced the same thing. 

&quot;Winning&quot; a game, only to lose one&#039;s soul, renders that win meaningless in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but to start taking back ceded ground.  I had not realized until last spring, with Obama as speaker at Notre Dame&#8217;s commencement, how secular almost all of the Catholic universities and colleges had become. I think there are many other Christian founded schools that are centuries old, which have experienced the same thing. </p>
<p>&#8220;Winning&#8221; a game, only to lose one&#8217;s soul, renders that win meaningless in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/12/09/winningatallcosts/#comment-377</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always think its progress for some reason...</description>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Uma Richie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uma Richie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bishop Rhoades will be installed in January.  I am in his current diocese, and am heartbroken to see him go.  He is young, energetic, unabashedly Catholic (you would think that would go without saying), and, based on his performance at Mount St. Mary&#039;s, is qualified to shepherd a college-aged flock.  Based on Bishop Rhoades&#039; letter of protest about last year&#039;s commencement, I believe that Pope Benedict is sending Fr. Jenkins a pretty strong message with this appointment.    Bishop Rhoades will be in my prayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bishop Rhoades will be installed in January.  I am in his current diocese, and am heartbroken to see him go.  He is young, energetic, unabashedly Catholic (you would think that would go without saying), and, based on his performance at Mount St. Mary&#8217;s, is qualified to shepherd a college-aged flock.  Based on Bishop Rhoades&#8217; letter of protest about last year&#8217;s commencement, I believe that Pope Benedict is sending Fr. Jenkins a pretty strong message with this appointment.    Bishop Rhoades will be in my prayers.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/12/09/winningatallcosts/#comment-374</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No surprise that a liberal would want to see no one worshipped but himself.</description>
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		<title>By: KathW</title>
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		<dc:creator>KathW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Father Jenkins of Notre Dame has been unwilling so far to take gentle guidance from his diocesan bishop.  However, Bishop D&#039;Arcy recently retired and Bishop Rhoades has been named to replace him.  Not even sure if he&#039;s installed yet.  I know the Pope spoke strongly during his visit here about the character of Catholic universities, and I know that Archbishop Burke, who is part of the committee to appoint bishops, is adamant about Catholic identity.  I have high hopes that the magisterium has placed a forceful bishop into Fort Wayne/South Bend, and that once he&#039;s settled in we may see changes at Notre Dame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Father Jenkins of Notre Dame has been unwilling so far to take gentle guidance from his diocesan bishop.  However, Bishop D&#8217;Arcy recently retired and Bishop Rhoades has been named to replace him.  Not even sure if he&#8217;s installed yet.  I know the Pope spoke strongly during his visit here about the character of Catholic universities, and I know that Archbishop Burke, who is part of the committee to appoint bishops, is adamant about Catholic identity.  I have high hopes that the magisterium has placed a forceful bishop into Fort Wayne/South Bend, and that once he&#8217;s settled in we may see changes at Notre Dame.</p>
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		<title>By: 6eorge Jetson</title>
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		<dc:creator>6eorge Jetson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. </p>
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