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	<title>Comments on: It takes a family to fix a government:Moral relativism in the age of Obama</title>
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		<title>By: azred</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/10/05/it-takes-a-family-to-fix-a-governmentmoral-relativism-in-the-age-of-obama/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>azred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gay marriage, gay rights, and in whole the legitimizing of the gay lifestyle as a right as opposed to a choice does impact the education system.  

You&#039;re right, if we had control of the schools, we could reverse much of the mess, similar to the long term drift to the left that has occurred over the last 40-50 years. Once the waters have been corrupted though, and the corruption gains a life of its own, it is extremely difficult to undo it.  The moral relativism that is so prevalent in the left opens the door to anything and everything.  Without an absolute right and wrong, the morals of the society quickly erode.  It does not necessarily equate to all people are bad that don&#039;t follow a clear cut moral right and wrong, but the trend of society will always move to evil and wrong doing as evil and wrong doing are justified as ok in the new meaining (no matter what is defined in this moving category).

My point regarding the schools is with many examples of educators pushing their own agenda, our kids are now force fed.  And as soon as it is legitimized by marriage, the fight against it is lost.  Unlike what many will say, let people do what they want, if that was all it is, there would be no risk.  But the activists and the educators don&#039;t see it that way.  They want to promote (Kevin Jennings is a heavy promoter and a Czar!).  They want to force acceptance, and if not, suffer consequences (Hate Crime Bill??).

So yes it is a big deal. Unfortunately, it is only one of many big deals we face now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gay marriage, gay rights, and in whole the legitimizing of the gay lifestyle as a right as opposed to a choice does impact the education system.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, if we had control of the schools, we could reverse much of the mess, similar to the long term drift to the left that has occurred over the last 40-50 years. Once the waters have been corrupted though, and the corruption gains a life of its own, it is extremely difficult to undo it.  The moral relativism that is so prevalent in the left opens the door to anything and everything.  Without an absolute right and wrong, the morals of the society quickly erode.  It does not necessarily equate to all people are bad that don&#8217;t follow a clear cut moral right and wrong, but the trend of society will always move to evil and wrong doing as evil and wrong doing are justified as ok in the new meaining (no matter what is defined in this moving category).</p>
<p>My point regarding the schools is with many examples of educators pushing their own agenda, our kids are now force fed.  And as soon as it is legitimized by marriage, the fight against it is lost.  Unlike what many will say, let people do what they want, if that was all it is, there would be no risk.  But the activists and the educators don&#8217;t see it that way.  They want to promote (Kevin Jennings is a heavy promoter and a Czar!).  They want to force acceptance, and if not, suffer consequences (Hate Crime Bill??).</p>
<p>So yes it is a big deal. Unfortunately, it is only one of many big deals we face now.</p>
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		<title>By: sanders6jr</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/10/05/it-takes-a-family-to-fix-a-governmentmoral-relativism-in-the-age-of-obama/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator>sanders6jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That post says it all, exactly where we are as a Nation, unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That post says it all, exactly where we are as a Nation, unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/10/05/it-takes-a-family-to-fix-a-governmentmoral-relativism-in-the-age-of-obama/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your kind words. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your kind words. <img src='http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Uma Richie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/10/05/it-takes-a-family-to-fix-a-governmentmoral-relativism-in-the-age-of-obama/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Uma Richie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to know you&#039;ve been around the whole time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to know you&#8217;ve been around the whole time.</p>
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		<title>By: c17wife</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/10/05/it-takes-a-family-to-fix-a-governmentmoral-relativism-in-the-age-of-obama/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>c17wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hubby and I spent some time in Vicenza as well.  He was deployed there in 2000/2001.  The kids and I went over during Christmas and really enjoyed it.  Enjoy your trip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hubby and I spent some time in Vicenza as well.  He was deployed there in 2000/2001.  The kids and I went over during Christmas and really enjoyed it.  Enjoy your trip!</p>
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		<title>By: roscopico</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/10/05/it-takes-a-family-to-fix-a-governmentmoral-relativism-in-the-age-of-obama/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>roscopico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The final paragraph gave me tears... you really cannot deny a great piece.
Inspiring like Moe Lane&#039;s assertion that &quot;we cannot wait around for the cavalry, we are the cavalry&quot;.

Highly reco&#039;d, and many good tidings to BC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The final paragraph gave me tears&#8230; you really cannot deny a great piece.<br />
Inspiring like Moe Lane&#8217;s assertion that &#8220;we cannot wait around for the cavalry, we are the cavalry&#8221;.</p>
<p>Highly reco&#8217;d, and many good tidings to BC.</p>
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		<title>By: NightTwister</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/10/05/it-takes-a-family-to-fix-a-governmentmoral-relativism-in-the-age-of-obama/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>NightTwister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve been missed.  Glad to hear the family is doing well.  I&#039;m getting close to the other side now....3 1/2 years to an empty nest.  30+ years now with at least one kid in the house.  Trust me when I say....I&#039;m ready for the next chapter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve been missed.  Glad to hear the family is doing well.  I&#8217;m getting close to the other side now&#8230;.3 1/2 years to an empty nest.  30+ years now with at least one kid in the house.  Trust me when I say&#8230;.I&#8217;m ready for the next chapter.</p>
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		<title>By: NightTwister</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/10/05/it-takes-a-family-to-fix-a-governmentmoral-relativism-in-the-age-of-obama/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>NightTwister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what you mean.  Great to &quot;hear&quot; from you, c17wife.  Looks like I&#039;m headed back out your way in November.  Boeblingen, Regensburg, Munich, Turin &amp; Vicenza this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean.  Great to &#8220;hear&#8221; from you, c17wife.  Looks like I&#8217;m headed back out your way in November.  Boeblingen, Regensburg, Munich, Turin &amp; Vicenza this time.</p>
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		<title>By: c17wife</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/10/05/it-takes-a-family-to-fix-a-governmentmoral-relativism-in-the-age-of-obama/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>c17wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t comment much because the new site hates me and most of what I have to say contains language that is prohibited.  So, there you have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t comment much because the new site hates me and most of what I have to say contains language that is prohibited.  So, there you have it.</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/10/05/it-takes-a-family-to-fix-a-governmentmoral-relativism-in-the-age-of-obama/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sex with little danger of pregnancy and much more contact between unrelated males and females and marriage started taking a big hit.  Best thing that&#039;s happened to marriage since the pill is AIDS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sex with little danger of pregnancy and much more contact between unrelated males and females and marriage started taking a big hit.  Best thing that&#8217;s happened to marriage since the pill is AIDS.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/10/05/it-takes-a-family-to-fix-a-governmentmoral-relativism-in-the-age-of-obama/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word on the street was you took a hiatus too. Are you back in our part of the world yet, or still in Europe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word on the street was you took a hiatus too. Are you back in our part of the world yet, or still in Europe?</p>
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		<title>By: Uma Richie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/10/05/it-takes-a-family-to-fix-a-governmentmoral-relativism-in-the-age-of-obama/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>Uma Richie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who gives me hope of breaking the cycle with or without the cooperation of men.  When your son grows up I wish you would go on a speaking tour from project to project imploring single moms not to raise thugs.  (I also think you could teach others how to homeschool on a library card.)

You are a great mom and you&#039;re doing an awesome job.  I&#039;ll say a prayer that your reconnection with your father enriches life for all of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who gives me hope of breaking the cycle with or without the cooperation of men.  When your son grows up I wish you would go on a speaking tour from project to project imploring single moms not to raise thugs.  (I also think you could teach others how to homeschool on a library card.)</p>
<p>You are a great mom and you&#8217;re doing an awesome job.  I&#8217;ll say a prayer that your reconnection with your father enriches life for all of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Uma Richie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/10/05/it-takes-a-family-to-fix-a-governmentmoral-relativism-in-the-age-of-obama/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Uma Richie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of failed marriages leads to the mess we are in now.  Or perhaps it takes only one or two (i.e. Stanley Ann&#039;s).  

There must be a reason your generation lost confidence in marriage.  How many baby boomers grew up in dysfunctional families because their parents jumped into &quot;shipping off tomorrow&quot; marriages that turned sour once they actually had to live together?  Or was it a planned attack on marriage in 1960s universities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of failed marriages leads to the mess we are in now.  Or perhaps it takes only one or two (i.e. Stanley Ann&#8217;s).  </p>
<p>There must be a reason your generation lost confidence in marriage.  How many baby boomers grew up in dysfunctional families because their parents jumped into &#8220;shipping off tomorrow&#8221; marriages that turned sour once they actually had to live together?  Or was it a planned attack on marriage in 1960s universities?</p>
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		<title>By: c17wife</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackrepub/2009/10/05/it-takes-a-family-to-fix-a-governmentmoral-relativism-in-the-age-of-obama/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>c17wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice.  Funny what a couple of kids will do to ya, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice.  Funny what a couple of kids will do to ya, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Scope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think that if social conservatives spent half the time and effort reforming schools and pushing for school choice as they do on gay marriage and other (non-abortion) issues, they would achieve much more for their issues.&quot;

The leftists have gotten way too much control in our educational system, albeit for their own purposes of breaking down what were once American traditions and values.  It&#039;s no surprise to any conservative that the key to getting to the Progressive goals, they had to breakdown, through moral relativism, anything that was something we are all born with called conscience.  As BlackConservative said himself, he could still come up with arguments for abortion and gay marriage.  The moral relativists have a long way to go with their arguments, which usually only support their own needy/weak/uneducated  minds.  Even they cannot say, with certainty, that murder is acceptable, because the person committing the murder may have grown up in dire circumstances, it was what they felt was right at the time (the woman who drowned her children because the devil told her to do it), because in someones culture it was acceptable (the suicide bombers) and etc.  I have a right to smoke crack, it is only my body that is involved, until you don&#039;t have the ability to operate a vehicle, and, kill other innocent people in an accident.  The values and traditions of American society are under attack by those that want the easy way out.  If it feels good, do it.  I don&#039;t have to work, and I will sit back and let all those that have a big income share their wealth with me.  Relegious education has been on the downslide for years.  The ACLU may have been a good organization at one time, but, many organizations that grow, they have moved far away from doing any good, just as the Unions, ACORN, PETA and the like.  I blame the ACLU for the most destruction, as they have been on a roll, for a long time, not helping the people they were created to help, but, have moved in a Communist direction in destroying every religious fibre that once existed, and what principles our country was founded on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think that if social conservatives spent half the time and effort reforming schools and pushing for school choice as they do on gay marriage and other (non-abortion) issues, they would achieve much more for their issues.&#8221;</p>
<p>The leftists have gotten way too much control in our educational system, albeit for their own purposes of breaking down what were once American traditions and values.  It&#8217;s no surprise to any conservative that the key to getting to the Progressive goals, they had to breakdown, through moral relativism, anything that was something we are all born with called conscience.  As BlackConservative said himself, he could still come up with arguments for abortion and gay marriage.  The moral relativists have a long way to go with their arguments, which usually only support their own needy/weak/uneducated  minds.  Even they cannot say, with certainty, that murder is acceptable, because the person committing the murder may have grown up in dire circumstances, it was what they felt was right at the time (the woman who drowned her children because the devil told her to do it), because in someones culture it was acceptable (the suicide bombers) and etc.  I have a right to smoke crack, it is only my body that is involved, until you don&#8217;t have the ability to operate a vehicle, and, kill other innocent people in an accident.  The values and traditions of American society are under attack by those that want the easy way out.  If it feels good, do it.  I don&#8217;t have to work, and I will sit back and let all those that have a big income share their wealth with me.  Relegious education has been on the downslide for years.  The ACLU may have been a good organization at one time, but, many organizations that grow, they have moved far away from doing any good, just as the Unions, ACORN, PETA and the like.  I blame the ACLU for the most destruction, as they have been on a roll, for a long time, not helping the people they were created to help, but, have moved in a Communist direction in destroying every religious fibre that once existed, and what principles our country was founded on.</p>
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		<title>By: aesthete</title>
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		<dc:creator>aesthete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, and I don&#039;t mean to offend, but I have no idea why we as conservatives should care what society wants, considering that its goals do not always (or often, even) conform very well to a free-market, republican government. On a related note, government certainly has a vested interest in making sure that someone is around to pay the bills, but again, I don&#039;t know why that is our concern as voters and policymakers.

&quot;However, in the real world there is a problem...&quot; In the real world, there are several problems. Must they, too, be subject to a top-down government solution? Is the answer to that question is yes, then we have no valid reason to oppose liberal governance, and in fact are advocating only for smarter government. If the answer is no, then what makes gay marriage, as a problem, the government&#039;s purview as opposed to, say, inequality (which is a load of bull, but useful for the given example)? In this particular case, the solution is simple: states are free to establish their own laws as limited by their constitutions, and the federal government should stay out of it as much as they can.

As regards the tax, I don&#039;t see why it would be a bad thing to expand the tax benefits that a married couple receives to other unions (roommates and the like included), including a gay couple, unless you are sticking with the idea that it is within the purview of the government to stimulate reproduction, in which case I guess we&#039;ll have to agree to disagree.

Hopefully my post doesn&#039;t come off as harsh, strident, or condescending. You&#039;re among my favorite diarists on Redstate, and I would hate for you to think that I harbor any animosity towards you. Still, I think that these are important issues that sometimes don&#039;t get the thought and consideration that they deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, and I don&#8217;t mean to offend, but I have no idea why we as conservatives should care what society wants, considering that its goals do not always (or often, even) conform very well to a free-market, republican government. On a related note, government certainly has a vested interest in making sure that someone is around to pay the bills, but again, I don&#8217;t know why that is our concern as voters and policymakers.</p>
<p>&#8220;However, in the real world there is a problem&#8230;&#8221; In the real world, there are several problems. Must they, too, be subject to a top-down government solution? Is the answer to that question is yes, then we have no valid reason to oppose liberal governance, and in fact are advocating only for smarter government. If the answer is no, then what makes gay marriage, as a problem, the government&#8217;s purview as opposed to, say, inequality (which is a load of bull, but useful for the given example)? In this particular case, the solution is simple: states are free to establish their own laws as limited by their constitutions, and the federal government should stay out of it as much as they can.</p>
<p>As regards the tax, I don&#8217;t see why it would be a bad thing to expand the tax benefits that a married couple receives to other unions (roommates and the like included), including a gay couple, unless you are sticking with the idea that it is within the purview of the government to stimulate reproduction, in which case I guess we&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree.</p>
<p>Hopefully my post doesn&#8217;t come off as harsh, strident, or condescending. You&#8217;re among my favorite diarists on Redstate, and I would hate for you to think that I harbor any animosity towards you. Still, I think that these are important issues that sometimes don&#8217;t get the thought and consideration that they deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: aesthete</title>
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		<dc:creator>aesthete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But as I said, while social conservatives tend to be accurate in their prognoses of many societal problems, their solutions are underwhelming to the extreme, or so intrusive as to get overly involved in private affairs and to be completely antithetical to the principles of limited government (an extreme version of this would be the Russian route: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-471324/Sex-motherland-Russian-youths-encouraged-procreate-camp.html). Perhaps I&#039;m too pragmatic, but I don&#039;t see the merit in wasting time and money on bills which won&#039;t do anything. Personally, I think that if social conservatives spent half the time and effort reforming schools and pushing for school choice as they do on gay marriage and other (non-abortion) issues, they would achieve much more for their issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But as I said, while social conservatives tend to be accurate in their prognoses of many societal problems, their solutions are underwhelming to the extreme, or so intrusive as to get overly involved in private affairs and to be completely antithetical to the principles of limited government (an extreme version of this would be the Russian route: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-471324/Sex-motherland-Russian-youths-encouraged-procreate-camp.html). Perhaps I&#8217;m too pragmatic, but I don&#8217;t see the merit in wasting time and money on bills which won&#8217;t do anything. Personally, I think that if social conservatives spent half the time and effort reforming schools and pushing for school choice as they do on gay marriage and other (non-abortion) issues, they would achieve much more for their issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were all too many really bad marriages being held together by draconian divorce laws in many states and by a huge social stigma attaching to divorce.  Call it the law of unintended consequences; nobody saw making it easier to get out of a truly bad marriage as the slippery slope to huge percentages of the Country living lives of serial monogamy and dragging truly dysfunctional kids along on their sleighride to Hell.

Looking back at one &quot;no-fault&quot; divorce and coming close to a divorce more than once in my current marriage, Wife 1.0 and I had no particular reason to divorce other than we didn&#039;t much like each other anymore and both of us were remedying that by seeking &quot;more space.&quot;  &quot;More Space&quot; was/is code for &quot;I&#039;m seeking body parts unknown.&quot;  I don&#039;t know which would have been better; it wasn&#039;t a good marriage and it was at times a poisonous environment for our daughter.  Yet, the breakup was so nasty, and most of that nastiness came from her lawyer, that my daughter has NO relationship with her mother - NONE; her mother didn&#039;t even come or send a gift to her wedding.

Interestingly, my wife and I, both having been through divorce, are much more able to just let things slide and not nearly so dedicated to finding our identity in the marriage.  Frankly, being married to me was probably a detriment to her career; she&#039;d always avoided controversy and I was controversy personified.  We had lots of fights, mostly about her kids, we split up a few times, but whether age or experience was the key, I don&#039;t know, but neither ever resorted to the old &quot;the best way to forget one is in the arms of another&quot; ploy.  And young and foolish people really do believe that you can forget one in the arms of another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were all too many really bad marriages being held together by draconian divorce laws in many states and by a huge social stigma attaching to divorce.  Call it the law of unintended consequences; nobody saw making it easier to get out of a truly bad marriage as the slippery slope to huge percentages of the Country living lives of serial monogamy and dragging truly dysfunctional kids along on their sleighride to Hell.</p>
<p>Looking back at one &#8220;no-fault&#8221; divorce and coming close to a divorce more than once in my current marriage, Wife 1.0 and I had no particular reason to divorce other than we didn&#8217;t much like each other anymore and both of us were remedying that by seeking &#8220;more space.&#8221;  &#8220;More Space&#8221; was/is code for &#8220;I&#8217;m seeking body parts unknown.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t know which would have been better; it wasn&#8217;t a good marriage and it was at times a poisonous environment for our daughter.  Yet, the breakup was so nasty, and most of that nastiness came from her lawyer, that my daughter has NO relationship with her mother &#8211; NONE; her mother didn&#8217;t even come or send a gift to her wedding.</p>
<p>Interestingly, my wife and I, both having been through divorce, are much more able to just let things slide and not nearly so dedicated to finding our identity in the marriage.  Frankly, being married to me was probably a detriment to her career; she&#8217;d always avoided controversy and I was controversy personified.  We had lots of fights, mostly about her kids, we split up a few times, but whether age or experience was the key, I don&#8217;t know, but neither ever resorted to the old &#8220;the best way to forget one is in the arms of another&#8221; ploy.  And young and foolish people really do believe that you can forget one in the arms of another.</p>
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		<title>By: Menlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Menlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was the first to sign it into law as California&#039;s governor. Only then did the other states follow his lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was the first to sign it into law as California&#8217;s governor. Only then did the other states follow his lead.</p>
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		<title>By: azred</title>
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		<dc:creator>azred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>was not the product of itself, but of the people.  Social and moral institutions of marriage were in place BEFORE the tax codes, and the social programs, and where a result of the commonly held values of the country.

With the introduction of moral relativism and the left itself, the commonly held values have been under attack.  It is only then that the govt is perceived as not in line with the people.  It is only then as the rise of the left agenda shines its spotlight on those areas that are at odds to their agenda.  And with the decline of morality in general the whole system comes into question.

The family unit is key to the success of the culture and the country. The last 40 years has shown what happens if this is not viewed as the top priority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was not the product of itself, but of the people.  Social and moral institutions of marriage were in place BEFORE the tax codes, and the social programs, and where a result of the commonly held values of the country.</p>
<p>With the introduction of moral relativism and the left itself, the commonly held values have been under attack.  It is only then that the govt is perceived as not in line with the people.  It is only then as the rise of the left agenda shines its spotlight on those areas that are at odds to their agenda.  And with the decline of morality in general the whole system comes into question.</p>
<p>The family unit is key to the success of the culture and the country. The last 40 years has shown what happens if this is not viewed as the top priority.</p>
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