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		<title>By: daveoconnor</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-5505</link>
		<dc:creator>daveoconnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and the golden eggs are fewer.
Liberal politicians for decades knew the dynamic growth of the US economy would keep afloat their welfare state programs and attendent waste.
But the thousands of cuts inflicted on the so-called private sector (the wealth producing sector in reality) has caught up here and in Europe.
Even if Obama cut real spending he would need better than average post-war growth to start solving the incredible mess we face.
The price mechanism works always and everywhere. The left fights it, but inflation, shortages, black markets and if required financial ruin always result. Great diary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the golden eggs are fewer.<br />
Liberal politicians for decades knew the dynamic growth of the US economy would keep afloat their welfare state programs and attendent waste.<br />
But the thousands of cuts inflicted on the so-called private sector (the wealth producing sector in reality) has caught up here and in Europe.<br />
Even if Obama cut real spending he would need better than average post-war growth to start solving the incredible mess we face.<br />
The price mechanism works always and everywhere. The left fights it, but inflation, shortages, black markets and if required financial ruin always result. Great diary.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4246</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 00:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;The thing is, if they need to generate an additional $2 trillion, they will have to raise taxes by a significantly higher amount than $2 trillion in order to make up for the negative impact that the tax hike will have on growth, and thereby, tax revenues.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is a real probability that it will be &lt;i&gt;impossible&lt;/i&gt; to raise an additional &lt;i&gt;$10&lt;/i&gt; trillion in tax revenues over the short run, &lt;b&gt;no matter what rates are increased to.  And over the next ten years, that is the expected shortfall, not $2 trillion.&lt;/b&gt;  The whole &quot;recovery&quot; plan is being implemented precisely backwards.

Knowledge of the planned permanent increase in long-term government spending immediately hurt the economy.  Expectations of major changes in the rate of either deflation or inflation create self-fulfilling increases in either/both.  Whether we are still in deflation or not, it&#039;s very reasonable to expect that a major round of inflation will be the result of massive government spending and borrowing.  The government &lt;b&gt;will&lt;/b&gt; attempt to reduce the deficit by increasing tax rates, which will in turn depress the economy even more.  Stagflation is a reasonable expectation.  And tax &lt;i&gt;revenues&lt;/i&gt;, which are what pay the government&#039;s bills (not tax &lt;i&gt;rates&lt;/i&gt;), will go down, not up.

Had the process started with a significant, permanent tax rate cut, bringing them all, including business taxes, down to a uniform tax rate (around 15% let&#039;s say), and had there been &lt;b&gt;no&lt;/b&gt; massive spending program set in motion, the effect would have been immediate and positive.  Americans would have known that the government would be starting a program of fiscal responsibility.  There would be no particular need for people to cut back their spending out of fear of the future.  There would not be pressure towards a recessionary environment.

Not only that, but the fact of reduced taxes for most or all tax&lt;b&gt;payers&lt;/b&gt; would mean more economic activity, more profits, more employment, more investment, and more savings.  We wouldn&#039;t be talking about deficits for as far as the eye can see, nor about mortgaging our children&#039;s futures to pay for new programs we can live without.  And we wouldn&#039;t be losing jobs at a modern record pace.

Since the goverment has no way to generate wealth, it can only pay its bills by taking wealth from others (taxes), or by printing money (inflation).  The government will choose to do both.  Because the debt service will be larger than anything we&#039;ve experienced before, the government will also become a worse and worse credit risk.  If tax rates go too high, economic activity will be pushed down to depression levels.  The alternative is to print the money as needed, which will result in higher interest rates, adding even more to the national debt as old Treasuries are payed off by issuing new ones at higher rates.

I won&#039;t be surprised to see interest rates skyrocket at some point in time; maybe not next year, but eventually.  That will drive down the value of existing bonds, while the stock market is likely stagnating, and the value of the dollar goes into the tank.

The shame is, it can all be avoided by just reducing both tax rates and government spending.  Instead, we&#039;re gong in the opposite direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>The thing is, if they need to generate an additional $2 trillion, they will have to raise taxes by a significantly higher amount than $2 trillion in order to make up for the negative impact that the tax hike will have on growth, and thereby, tax revenues.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>There is a real probability that it will be <i>impossible</i> to raise an additional <i>$10</i> trillion in tax revenues over the short run, <b>no matter what rates are increased to.  And over the next ten years, that is the expected shortfall, not $2 trillion.</b>  The whole &#8220;recovery&#8221; plan is being implemented precisely backwards.</p>
<p>Knowledge of the planned permanent increase in long-term government spending immediately hurt the economy.  Expectations of major changes in the rate of either deflation or inflation create self-fulfilling increases in either/both.  Whether we are still in deflation or not, it&#8217;s very reasonable to expect that a major round of inflation will be the result of massive government spending and borrowing.  The government <b>will</b> attempt to reduce the deficit by increasing tax rates, which will in turn depress the economy even more.  Stagflation is a reasonable expectation.  And tax <i>revenues</i>, which are what pay the government&#8217;s bills (not tax <i>rates</i>), will go down, not up.</p>
<p>Had the process started with a significant, permanent tax rate cut, bringing them all, including business taxes, down to a uniform tax rate (around 15% let&#8217;s say), and had there been <b>no</b> massive spending program set in motion, the effect would have been immediate and positive.  Americans would have known that the government would be starting a program of fiscal responsibility.  There would be no particular need for people to cut back their spending out of fear of the future.  There would not be pressure towards a recessionary environment.</p>
<p>Not only that, but the fact of reduced taxes for most or all tax<b>payers</b> would mean more economic activity, more profits, more employment, more investment, and more savings.  We wouldn&#8217;t be talking about deficits for as far as the eye can see, nor about mortgaging our children&#8217;s futures to pay for new programs we can live without.  And we wouldn&#8217;t be losing jobs at a modern record pace.</p>
<p>Since the goverment has no way to generate wealth, it can only pay its bills by taking wealth from others (taxes), or by printing money (inflation).  The government will choose to do both.  Because the debt service will be larger than anything we&#8217;ve experienced before, the government will also become a worse and worse credit risk.  If tax rates go too high, economic activity will be pushed down to depression levels.  The alternative is to print the money as needed, which will result in higher interest rates, adding even more to the national debt as old Treasuries are payed off by issuing new ones at higher rates.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be surprised to see interest rates skyrocket at some point in time; maybe not next year, but eventually.  That will drive down the value of existing bonds, while the stock market is likely stagnating, and the value of the dollar goes into the tank.</p>
<p>The shame is, it can all be avoided by just reducing both tax rates and government spending.  Instead, we&#8217;re gong in the opposite direction.</p>
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		<title>By: alexg</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4245</link>
		<dc:creator>alexg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 21:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in an industry that is run by entrenched unions, with entrepreneural non-unions constantly &quot;crashing the party.&quot; If this bond trend continues, it would surely start to create some increased opportunities to those shops. HOWEVER, I tend to think that the &lt;b&gt;power is going to overwhelm the economics, and SEIU/UAW will be empowered to take money where it cannot be earned. Confiscatory taxation, government intervention, and so on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in an industry that is run by entrenched unions, with entrepreneural non-unions constantly &#8220;crashing the party.&#8221; If this bond trend continues, it would surely start to create some increased opportunities to those shops. HOWEVER, I tend to think that the <b>power is going to overwhelm the economics, and SEIU/UAW will be empowered to take money where it cannot be earned. Confiscatory taxation, government intervention, and so on&#8230;</b></p>
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		<title>By: The_Gadfly</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4244</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 18:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Reagan didn&#039;t get away without a recession before the recovery he and the rest of the conservative team (Kemp, Gingrich, Armey, et al) initiated when they came into office.

So they will hurt the economy. And since the economy is already on life support, yeah, they&#039;ll pretty much kill it. But hey, ya can&#039;t make an omlette without breaking a few eggs and you should never waste a good crisis. So I&#039;m not certain that isn&#039;t what The Big 0 is aiming for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Reagan didn&#8217;t get away without a recession before the recovery he and the rest of the conservative team (Kemp, Gingrich, Armey, et al) initiated when they came into office.</p>
<p>So they will hurt the economy. And since the economy is already on life support, yeah, they&#8217;ll pretty much kill it. But hey, ya can&#8217;t make an omlette without breaking a few eggs and you should never waste a good crisis. So I&#8217;m not certain that isn&#8217;t what The Big 0 is aiming for.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4243</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see it killing unions.

If lenders won&#039;t give money to unionized companies, then only non-union companies will get money.  If only non-union companies get money, then union companies will die.  And the unions won&#039;t be allowed into the other companies.


Short term, it would be painful.  Long term...  Well, bye-bye SEIU and UAW...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see it killing unions.</p>
<p>If lenders won&#8217;t give money to unionized companies, then only non-union companies will get money.  If only non-union companies get money, then union companies will die.  And the unions won&#8217;t be allowed into the other companies.</p>
<p>Short term, it would be painful.  Long term&#8230;  Well, bye-bye SEIU and UAW&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4242</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It means huge levels of Inflation, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
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		<title>By: Joe_Cor</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4241</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe_Cor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this could put a damper on socialized health care?  A silver lining, perhaps, if the VAT doesn&#039;t materialize?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this could put a damper on socialized health care?  A silver lining, perhaps, if the VAT doesn&#8217;t materialize?</p>
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		<title>By: Aziz Poonawalla</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4240</link>
		<dc:creator>Aziz Poonawalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Francis,

Nowadays I&#039;m  mostly a lurker (and a liberal with nothing to hide) here but your posts always lure me here from  my feedreader. 

I&#039;d like to see your thoughts on a VAT. I am  thinking of the japanese-style subtraction VAT instead of the European model, and coupled with reductions in corporate tax rates, repeal of the AMT, etc. I &lt;a href=&quot;http://dean2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/spare-change-we-can-believe-in-case-for.html&quot;&gt;laid out my thinking&lt;/a&gt; at my own site and would like to see your thoughts. Can you envision a policy that does include a VAT, and are there arguments you&#039;d make in favor of one? 

incidentally, when the heck are you going to get on twitter? you need t be writing your own blog, and piping that into the Twitterverse. If you email me I can walk you through the process in 5min flat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francis,</p>
<p>Nowadays I&#8217;m  mostly a lurker (and a liberal with nothing to hide) here but your posts always lure me here from  my feedreader. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see your thoughts on a VAT. I am  thinking of the japanese-style subtraction VAT instead of the European model, and coupled with reductions in corporate tax rates, repeal of the AMT, etc. I <a href="http://dean2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/spare-change-we-can-believe-in-case-for.html">laid out my thinking</a> at my own site and would like to see your thoughts. Can you envision a policy that does include a VAT, and are there arguments you&#8217;d make in favor of one? </p>
<p>incidentally, when the heck are you going to get on twitter? you need t be writing your own blog, and piping that into the Twitterverse. If you email me I can walk you through the process in 5min flat.</p>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4239</link>
		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...That they try to skyrocket taxes, face major public opposition, FAIL, and then have to scale back their programs. 

That&#039;s the usual script for Democrat administrations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;That they try to skyrocket taxes, face major public opposition, FAIL, and then have to scale back their programs. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the usual script for Democrat administrations.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Cianfrocca</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4238</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Cianfrocca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.reuters.com/article/americasDealsNews/idUSTRE54P68K20090526

The actual report is behind a pay wall. I was wrong, the research only applies to the HY market.

Corporate bonds are looking good again today, as they have been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>http://www.reuters.com/article/americasDealsNews/idUSTRE54P68K20090526</p>
<p>The actual report is behind a pay wall. I was wrong, the research only applies to the HY market.</p>
<p>Corporate bonds are looking good again today, as they have been.</p>
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		<title>By: ATLconservative</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4237</link>
		<dc:creator>ATLconservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think the rough timeline is of mortgage rates really heading north?  Will we see the 10-year yield fluctuate for awhile before rising long-term?

I think it&#039;s decision time for me and mine...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think the rough timeline is of mortgage rates really heading north?  Will we see the 10-year yield fluctuate for awhile before rising long-term?</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s decision time for me and mine&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MSU_Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSU_Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Francis,

Is there a link to this report?  I might have my students read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francis,</p>
<p>Is there a link to this report?  I might have my students read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Cianfrocca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Cianfrocca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read a report which analyzed bond yields (both IG and HY, iirc) of corporations and industries that are heavily unionized. Apparently these companies are paying nearly a 1000 basis-point premium for debt, compared to companies that are relatively union-free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read a report which analyzed bond yields (both IG and HY, iirc) of corporations and industries that are heavily unionized. Apparently these companies are paying nearly a 1000 basis-point premium for debt, compared to companies that are relatively union-free.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Cianfrocca</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4234</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Cianfrocca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Fed is walking on a knife edge with regard to inflation. You don&#039;t see the effects in consumer prices yet (except in a few areas), because final demand is way down in the US. As I always say, inflation isn&#039;t too many dollars, it&#039;s too many dollars chasing too few goods. If demand is impaired, there&#039;s no price pressure.

The reality in the private-sector economy still is deflation. But it&#039;s really wacked-out for the Fed to be printing trillions of dollars to fight it. At some point, those extra dollars will have to get sterilized, or else we really will see some inflation that you won&#039;t have any trouble recognizing.

The trigger for that could be a real private-sector recovery that increases the demand for credit and pushes up interest rates. Or it could come from investors deciding that Obama really doesn&#039;t deserve his AAA credit rating. Or it could be both.

The Fed is taking all of this very seriously indeed. They have tools at the ready for sterilizing inflation should it appear. What we don&#039;t yet know is: A) will they work? and B) will they kill the economy even if they do work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Fed is walking on a knife edge with regard to inflation. You don&#8217;t see the effects in consumer prices yet (except in a few areas), because final demand is way down in the US. As I always say, inflation isn&#8217;t too many dollars, it&#8217;s too many dollars chasing too few goods. If demand is impaired, there&#8217;s no price pressure.</p>
<p>The reality in the private-sector economy still is deflation. But it&#8217;s really wacked-out for the Fed to be printing trillions of dollars to fight it. At some point, those extra dollars will have to get sterilized, or else we really will see some inflation that you won&#8217;t have any trouble recognizing.</p>
<p>The trigger for that could be a real private-sector recovery that increases the demand for credit and pushes up interest rates. Or it could come from investors deciding that Obama really doesn&#8217;t deserve his AAA credit rating. Or it could be both.</p>
<p>The Fed is taking all of this very seriously indeed. They have tools at the ready for sterilizing inflation should it appear. What we don&#8217;t yet know is: A) will they work? and B) will they kill the economy even if they do work?</p>
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		<title>By: antisocial</title>
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		<dc:creator>antisocial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know the route is taxes....

Taxes are ready to go sky high :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know the route is taxes&#8230;.</p>
<p>Taxes are ready to go sky high <img src='http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jeffreywturner</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffreywturner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Particularly depending on how this issue with the GM bondholders pans out. I hope they stick to their guns and tell the UAW (ie: the DNC) to shove it, because think of the precedent it will set and how many investors will be willing to lend money to companies if they see that the government can simply come in and tell them their bonds are almost worthless and they have to take whatever tiiny ownership interest the government sees fit in exchange for them while the labor union takes over the company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Particularly depending on how this issue with the GM bondholders pans out. I hope they stick to their guns and tell the UAW (ie: the DNC) to shove it, because think of the precedent it will set and how many investors will be willing to lend money to companies if they see that the government can simply come in and tell them their bonds are almost worthless and they have to take whatever tiiny ownership interest the government sees fit in exchange for them while the labor union takes over the company.</p>
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		<title>By: alexg</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4231</link>
		<dc:creator>alexg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been anticipating this as well - my concern is when this actually hits product prices... And how long it&#039;s going to last. I think this is the part in my life when I start paying everything to the government and figure out how to get even tighter with my money (not sure how the wife is going to stretch a buck any further, but I&#039;m excited to see how she does it...). Oh, and bust my ass even harder at work, of course (selling soon to be inflated product to businesses that can&#039;t afford anything at deflated prices... much less inflated ones).

Thank you for the uplifting news, but it&#039;s reality, and this is when conservatives show what we&#039;re made of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been anticipating this as well &#8211; my concern is when this actually hits product prices&#8230; And how long it&#8217;s going to last. I think this is the part in my life when I start paying everything to the government and figure out how to get even tighter with my money (not sure how the wife is going to stretch a buck any further, but I&#8217;m excited to see how she does it&#8230;). Oh, and bust my ass even harder at work, of course (selling soon to be inflated product to businesses that can&#8217;t afford anything at deflated prices&#8230; much less inflated ones).</p>
<p>Thank you for the uplifting news, but it&#8217;s reality, and this is when conservatives show what we&#8217;re made of.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffreywturner</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4230</link>
		<dc:creator>jeffreywturner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If things get bad and interest rates head upward permanently despite the Fed’s efforts, the Treasury will finally face a choice that looks a lot like discipline: they will either have to scale back the ambitions of the Federal government, or they’ll have to raise taxes heavily.&quot;

I think it is pretty safe to say that the course they will take will be to raise taxes substantially rather than cut spending, at least with the current crop of DC politicians. The thing is, if they need to generate an additional $2 trillion, they will have to raise taxes by a significantly higher amount than $2 trillion in order to make up for the negative impact that the tax hike will have on growth, and thereby, tax revenues. To get that amount, not only would they have to let Bush&#039;s tax cuts expire and let the marginal rate for the &quot;evil&quot; rich people (who obviously didn&#039;t earn their wealth according to Obama) return to 40%, they would have to probably increase them well beyond that, and expand the higher rates down into the &quot;middle class&quot; because their simply aren&#039;t enough of the &quot;evil&quot; rich people to foot the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If things get bad and interest rates head upward permanently despite the Fed’s efforts, the Treasury will finally face a choice that looks a lot like discipline: they will either have to scale back the ambitions of the Federal government, or they’ll have to raise taxes heavily.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it is pretty safe to say that the course they will take will be to raise taxes substantially rather than cut spending, at least with the current crop of DC politicians. The thing is, if they need to generate an additional $2 trillion, they will have to raise taxes by a significantly higher amount than $2 trillion in order to make up for the negative impact that the tax hike will have on growth, and thereby, tax revenues. To get that amount, not only would they have to let Bush&#8217;s tax cuts expire and let the marginal rate for the &#8220;evil&#8221; rich people (who obviously didn&#8217;t earn their wealth according to Obama) return to 40%, they would have to probably increase them well beyond that, and expand the higher rates down into the &#8220;middle class&#8221; because their simply aren&#8217;t enough of the &#8220;evil&#8221; rich people to foot the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Cianfrocca</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4229</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Cianfrocca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you think they prompted their friends at the Washington Post to write a major story in praise of a VAT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you think they prompted their friends at the Washington Post to write a major story in praise of a VAT?</p>
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		<title>By: MSU_Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2009/05/28/bond-market-distress/#comment-4228</link>
		<dc:creator>MSU_Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they will either have to scale back the ambitions of the Federal government, or they’ll have to raise taxes heavily.&quot;

Anyone wish to bet which one the Obama administration will choose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they will either have to scale back the ambitions of the Federal government, or they’ll have to raise taxes heavily.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyone wish to bet which one the Obama administration will choose?</p>
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