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	<title>Comments on: At What Price A Domestic Auto Industry?</title>
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		<title>By: JustLeaveMeAlone</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2008/12/03/at-what-price-a-domestic-auto-industry/#comment-508</link>
		<dc:creator>JustLeaveMeAlone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and lotsa 55555555s&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Personally, I&#039;m buying an American car this month -- either a Nissan or a Toyota.  They are made in America, well made too, and none of my money will be going to the corrupt UAW. &lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Personally, I&#8217;m buying an American car this month &#8212; either a Nissan or a Toyota.  They are made in America, well made too, and none of my money will be going to the corrupt UAW. </p>
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		<title>By: tankertodd</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2008/12/03/at-what-price-a-domestic-auto-industry/#comment-507</link>
		<dc:creator>tankertodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rip off the band-aid and get it over with.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We have a domestic auto industry.  It&#039;s in the Southeast.  It&#039;s BMW, Toyota, and Honda.  If we need tanks, they can build them.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And they won&#039;t suck.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rip off the band-aid and get it over with.</p>
<p>We have a domestic auto industry.  It&#8217;s in the Southeast.  It&#8217;s BMW, Toyota, and Honda.  If we need tanks, they can build them.  </p>
<p>And they won&#8217;t suck.</p>
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		<title>By: VA_mom</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2008/12/03/at-what-price-a-domestic-auto-industry/#comment-506</link>
		<dc:creator>VA_mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought Dems were supposed to be good at helping regular, middle class Americans. Yet they seem so fixated on &quot;helping&quot; taxpayers by giving money to greedy CEOs who don&#039;t know what they are doing in an effort to help people keep their jobs (not guarantee their jobs mind you). Or maybe, they could get the money into the hands of the taxpayers to ensure that they can afford their food and temporary healthcare plans until they can get another job. Obama raised how much money during his campaign? NONE of his donors are rich enough to invest in an American industry?? If the Dems want more energy-efficient cars and fewer unemployed people, is there some reason they cannot persuade their rich donors to invest money into a new research company or into a new company that makes parts for all of the American-made cars that are currently out there until they come up with that awesome new car the Dems have promised? NONE of their campaign donors have the money or the guts to take over and properly run American businesses? Our government cannot be trusted with the responsibility of taking over businesses-it is run by elite, out-of-touch individuals trained to use unlimited amounts of money during campaigns who never quite realize that they DON&#039;T have a blank check anymore when they get to DC!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Dems were supposed to be good at helping regular, middle class Americans. Yet they seem so fixated on &#8220;helping&#8221; taxpayers by giving money to greedy CEOs who don&#8217;t know what they are doing in an effort to help people keep their jobs (not guarantee their jobs mind you). Or maybe, they could get the money into the hands of the taxpayers to ensure that they can afford their food and temporary healthcare plans until they can get another job. Obama raised how much money during his campaign? NONE of his donors are rich enough to invest in an American industry?? If the Dems want more energy-efficient cars and fewer unemployed people, is there some reason they cannot persuade their rich donors to invest money into a new research company or into a new company that makes parts for all of the American-made cars that are currently out there until they come up with that awesome new car the Dems have promised? NONE of their campaign donors have the money or the guts to take over and properly run American businesses? Our government cannot be trusted with the responsibility of taking over businesses-it is run by elite, out-of-touch individuals trained to use unlimited amounts of money during campaigns who never quite realize that they DON&#8217;T have a blank check anymore when they get to DC!</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2008/12/03/at-what-price-a-domestic-auto-industry/#comment-505</link>
		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;who can afford to buy that Hecho en Brazil product.  That&#039;s kinda what we&#039;re looking at these days.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: LJMiller96</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2008/12/03/at-what-price-a-domestic-auto-industry/#comment-504</link>
		<dc:creator>LJMiller96</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If it&#039;s a preset C11 where the Car co&#039;s agree to honor all customer warranties and not fold them into the bankruptcy protection, then I&#039;d buy their cars. Union wages, the pensions, and health care are the big expense that will kill the car companies no matter what kind of loan they are given. The only thing that will save them is some form of bankruptcy that lets them junk their labor agreements.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for the UAW, it&#039;s a government sponsored labor monopoly with a government granted license to intimidate and bully companies and workers in order to extort money from them. I have no sympathy for unions that run closed shops. That&#039;s a government problem though and needs to be fixed by government. Even with C11 protection, if the car makers try to keep operating in Michigan they will still be under the thumb of the union monopoly. Hello Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi and Texas.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s a preset C11 where the Car co&#8217;s agree to honor all customer warranties and not fold them into the bankruptcy protection, then I&#8217;d buy their cars. Union wages, the pensions, and health care are the big expense that will kill the car companies no matter what kind of loan they are given. The only thing that will save them is some form of bankruptcy that lets them junk their labor agreements.</p>
<p>As for the UAW, it&#8217;s a government sponsored labor monopoly with a government granted license to intimidate and bully companies and workers in order to extort money from them. I have no sympathy for unions that run closed shops. That&#8217;s a government problem though and needs to be fixed by government. Even with C11 protection, if the car makers try to keep operating in Michigan they will still be under the thumb of the union monopoly. Hello Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi and Texas.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck_Norris_Republican</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2008/12/03/at-what-price-a-domestic-auto-industry/#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck_Norris_Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cars are a long term investment, and not many people will purchase an auto from a company in bankruptcy.  There would be too much uncertainty in term of parts, repairs, etc.  This is different from the airline industry where you just take on flight.  Bankruptcy will be the final nail in the coffin for the domestic auto industry.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bailing out the auto industry with conditions attached for downsizing, union pensions an wages, and energy efficient cars is the anwer.  One to three more million Americans out of work will make the economy much worse.  Also, the national security issues of not have a domestic auto industry manufacturing base, could have disasterous consequences in the future.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cars are a long term investment, and not many people will purchase an auto from a company in bankruptcy.  There would be too much uncertainty in term of parts, repairs, etc.  This is different from the airline industry where you just take on flight.  Bankruptcy will be the final nail in the coffin for the domestic auto industry.</p>
<p>Bailing out the auto industry with conditions attached for downsizing, union pensions an wages, and energy efficient cars is the anwer.  One to three more million Americans out of work will make the economy much worse.  Also, the national security issues of not have a domestic auto industry manufacturing base, could have disasterous consequences in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: zuiko</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2008/12/03/at-what-price-a-domestic-auto-industry/#comment-502</link>
		<dc:creator>zuiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;People are used to seeing the airlines go through the Chapter 11 revolving door and how many of those airlines end up getting liquidated? Not many. You might have to give people some kind of a discount to get them to buy from you when you are in Chapter 11, but it won&#039;t take much. People love to get a deal (or at least think they are getting a deal) on a car.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The reason they are repeating that mantra is because they are looking for a ride on the free money train in DC rather than losing their jobs and wiping out most of their own assets, along with the rest of their common stockholders. Chapter 11 isn&#039;t a great option from the point of view of an insider. But it is the best choice for the future of these companies. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That all said, if we are going to take some of the money that has already been flushed down the toilet ($850 bln bailout, $25bln in &quot;fuel efficiency&quot; loans) and divert it to the automakers to keep them afloat, I have a hard time objecting too strenuously to that. That money is already gone. The question is how to waste it in a way that will do the least harm. Wasting it on loans to the automakers is probably less harmful than wasting it buying bad mortgages.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are used to seeing the airlines go through the Chapter 11 revolving door and how many of those airlines end up getting liquidated? Not many. You might have to give people some kind of a discount to get them to buy from you when you are in Chapter 11, but it won&#8217;t take much. People love to get a deal (or at least think they are getting a deal) on a car.</p>
<p>The reason they are repeating that mantra is because they are looking for a ride on the free money train in DC rather than losing their jobs and wiping out most of their own assets, along with the rest of their common stockholders. Chapter 11 isn&#8217;t a great option from the point of view of an insider. But it is the best choice for the future of these companies. </p>
<p>That all said, if we are going to take some of the money that has already been flushed down the toilet ($850 bln bailout, $25bln in &#8220;fuel efficiency&#8221; loans) and divert it to the automakers to keep them afloat, I have a hard time objecting too strenuously to that. That money is already gone. The question is how to waste it in a way that will do the least harm. Wasting it on loans to the automakers is probably less harmful than wasting it buying bad mortgages.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus_Traianus</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2008/12/03/at-what-price-a-domestic-auto-industry/#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus_Traianus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;GM is already working out the terms with its major creditors on a Chapter 11 route. I realize in public they are saying no consumer will buy their product, but frankly that appears part of the meme. If they are put into a structured receivership or receive loan “guarantees” &lt;i&gt;exempli gratia&lt;/i&gt; Chrysler 1979 they will be just fine if combined with an agressive, achievable vision (where is the man from Allentown?). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, the breathing room will help GM through the cash crunch but will need to be followed by serious restructuring. This includes either the UAW’s death or a substantial, eternal power reduction; no more $100K janitors, fully paid unemployment and gratuitous retiree benefits including killing the VEBA Trust. What they have currently offered as “serious” concessions would be half measures in any other industry parlance. In total compensation and legacy costs they are the ball and chain of our entire industry. Any program that does not rid us of their overbearing expense is doomed and displays Detroit is not serious about paradigm changing long term visions. Conversely if they actually make these changes, when they are back to issuing stock- count me in. It&#039;s day or night; they choose.   &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Overall, I have no doubt they are in serious trouble as an industry and their failure would have serious economic consequences, especially in the Midwest. That said I look at Ford as a prime example of a company having the sagacious nature and foresight to understand what needs to be done for survival. Darwinism, survival of the fittest, free market capitalism and all that; call it what you want, I prefer their efforts. This otherwise reflexive and seemingly opportunistic feeding at the trough from others is not the way to build long term, economically feasible industry.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This country has grown akin to pushing problems down the road with short term tactical fixes. It is time for someone to stand up, bite the bullet and pursue a strategy that is honestly painful in the short term, but strategically focuses on regrowing a financially sound and fundamentally strong industry. That will not be done if a Democrat Congress and their acolytes have any stake in this game.  &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM is already working out the terms with its major creditors on a Chapter 11 route. I realize in public they are saying no consumer will buy their product, but frankly that appears part of the meme. If they are put into a structured receivership or receive loan “guarantees” <i>exempli gratia</i> Chrysler 1979 they will be just fine if combined with an agressive, achievable vision (where is the man from Allentown?). </p>
<p>Anyway, the breathing room will help GM through the cash crunch but will need to be followed by serious restructuring. This includes either the UAW’s death or a substantial, eternal power reduction; no more $100K janitors, fully paid unemployment and gratuitous retiree benefits including killing the VEBA Trust. What they have currently offered as “serious” concessions would be half measures in any other industry parlance. In total compensation and legacy costs they are the ball and chain of our entire industry. Any program that does not rid us of their overbearing expense is doomed and displays Detroit is not serious about paradigm changing long term visions. Conversely if they actually make these changes, when they are back to issuing stock- count me in. It&#8217;s day or night; they choose.   </p>
<p>Overall, I have no doubt they are in serious trouble as an industry and their failure would have serious economic consequences, especially in the Midwest. That said I look at Ford as a prime example of a company having the sagacious nature and foresight to understand what needs to be done for survival. Darwinism, survival of the fittest, free market capitalism and all that; call it what you want, I prefer their efforts. This otherwise reflexive and seemingly opportunistic feeding at the trough from others is not the way to build long term, economically feasible industry.</p>
<p>This country has grown akin to pushing problems down the road with short term tactical fixes. It is time for someone to stand up, bite the bullet and pursue a strategy that is honestly painful in the short term, but strategically focuses on regrowing a financially sound and fundamentally strong industry. That will not be done if a Democrat Congress and their acolytes have any stake in this game.  </p>
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		<title>By: Scope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just heard a report that now Gettlefinger said they would be willing to renogotiate the union contracts.  In addition, they would be willing to &quot;hold off on funding their healthcare trusts.&quot;  Well, yes of course the healthcare trust can be put on the back burner for now, because he must be counting on Socialized medicine coming to your town very soon. He keeps changing his position as the auto bailout looks more and more doomed.  Give it long enough and maybe he will be willing to disband the UAW, which will dissapear without the big 3 anyway. He should have thought about all those jobs long before they broke the auto industry bank.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just heard a report that now Gettlefinger said they would be willing to renogotiate the union contracts.  In addition, they would be willing to &#8220;hold off on funding their healthcare trusts.&#8221;  Well, yes of course the healthcare trust can be put on the back burner for now, because he must be counting on Socialized medicine coming to your town very soon. He keeps changing his position as the auto bailout looks more and more doomed.  Give it long enough and maybe he will be willing to disband the UAW, which will dissapear without the big 3 anyway. He should have thought about all those jobs long before they broke the auto industry bank.</p>
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		<title>By: JSobieski</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2008/12/03/at-what-price-a-domestic-auto-industry/#comment-499</link>
		<dc:creator>JSobieski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;People in the auto industry relate more to each other than to the people outside the industry.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Most suppliers support each of the Big Three, so there is particular at this point in time, more of a cooperative we are in the same boat perspective then a competitive perspective.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ford has publicly stated that it will NOT file for bankruptcy in 2009, but fears that a GM bankruptcy would destroy many Tier II/III Ford suppliers and that Ford is against a GM bankruptcy.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Most suppliers support each of the Big Three, so there is particular at this point in time, more of a cooperative we are in the same boat perspective then a competitive perspective.</p>
<p>Ford has publicly stated that it will NOT file for bankruptcy in 2009, but fears that a GM bankruptcy would destroy many Tier II/III Ford suppliers and that Ford is against a GM bankruptcy.</p>
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		<title>By: leppard</title>
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		<dc:creator>leppard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the bailout is not about saving the american car industry; its about saving the UAW.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If these &#039;pro-bailout people&#039; were so concerned about keeping the american car industry, they would buy american cars.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the bailout is not about saving the american car industry; its about saving the UAW.</p>
<p>If these &#8216;pro-bailout people&#8217; were so concerned about keeping the american car industry, they would buy american cars.</p>
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		<title>By: leppard</title>
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		<dc:creator>leppard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The liberal politician has the only job where they go to the office to work for everyone but those who pay their salary. &lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: bk</title>
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		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I didn&#039;t know how cutthroat this was - sounds like the Big Three are working with each other much more than they are working against each other. I had to wonder about this and you&#039;ve answered it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know how cutthroat this was &#8211; sounds like the Big Three are working with each other much more than they are working against each other. I had to wonder about this and you&#8217;ve answered it.</p>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
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		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;We&#039;ve exceeded our CAFE requirements because since no one is buying our cars, the total footprint from new cars sold is way down. Therefore we have OFFSET the reduction requirements.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We&#8217;ve exceeded our CAFE requirements because since no one is buying our cars, the total footprint from new cars sold is way down. Therefore we have OFFSET the reduction requirements.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JSobieski</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSobieski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is no indication that Ford is somehow not in favor of the bailout.  I haven&#039;t heard a single Ford employee or retiree who is opportunistic about a GM bankruptcy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I live in the Detroit area, and I haven&#039;t seen any indication that Ford is somehow playing a two-faced game---Ford wants the bailout money too.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no indication that Ford is somehow not in favor of the bailout.  I haven&#8217;t heard a single Ford employee or retiree who is opportunistic about a GM bankruptcy.</p>
<p>I live in the Detroit area, and I haven&#8217;t seen any indication that Ford is somehow playing a two-faced game&#8212;Ford wants the bailout money too.</p>
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		<title>By: JSobieski</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2008/12/03/at-what-price-a-domestic-auto-industry/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>JSobieski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;in 2006 (when credit was still available), Ford took out a mortgages on everything that they could---they leveraged the real estate that they owned (pre-real estate bust) to generate some cash for the bank.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Smartest move by a domestic automaker in the past 5 years---and it had nothing to do with cars&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in 2006 (when credit was still available), Ford took out a mortgages on everything that they could&#8212;they leveraged the real estate that they owned (pre-real estate bust) to generate some cash for the bank.</p>
<p>Smartest move by a domestic automaker in the past 5 years&#8212;and it had nothing to do with cars</p>
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		<title>By: blackhedd</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackhedd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s because it would destabilize big parts of the supplier ecosystem that Ford also depends on.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: MSU_Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSU_Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since GM seems to be the most publicized of the 3, I will use them as my example.  If GM is truly worth saving then why hasn&#039;t a capital market player (individual or solid firm) already purchased them?  Their market cap is only $2.95 Billion.  They have not been purchased because capital markets know (as Francis points out above) that GM is at the end of its life cycle.  During the recessions of the late 70s and 80s those companies that were being poorly managed and were viewed as restructurable, were taken over (friendly or hostile) and were restructured.  Its time to let capital markets work.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since GM seems to be the most publicized of the 3, I will use them as my example.  If GM is truly worth saving then why hasn&#8217;t a capital market player (individual or solid firm) already purchased them?  Their market cap is only $2.95 Billion.  They have not been purchased because capital markets know (as Francis points out above) that GM is at the end of its life cycle.  During the recessions of the late 70s and 80s those companies that were being poorly managed and were viewed as restructurable, were taken over (friendly or hostile) and were restructured.  Its time to let capital markets work.</p>
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		<title>By: 10ksnooker</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2008/12/03/at-what-price-a-domestic-auto-industry/#comment-490</link>
		<dc:creator>10ksnooker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Best for consumers, leave design studios in the developed world, move operations to the third world, ship cars. With automatic machinery, even third worlders can run it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Watch the video of Ford&#039;s latest plant in rural Brazil
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/fords-most-advanced-assembly-plant-operates-in-rural-brazil/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;See how it&#039;s supposed to be done.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best for consumers, leave design studios in the developed world, move operations to the third world, ship cars. With automatic machinery, even third worlders can run it.</p>
<p>Watch the video of Ford&#8217;s latest plant in rural Brazil<br />
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/fords-most-advanced-assembly-plant-operates-in-rural-brazil/</p>
<p>See how it&#8217;s supposed to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: skey</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/blackhedd/2008/12/03/at-what-price-a-domestic-auto-industry/#comment-489</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;but I&#039;d been planning on buying a new vehicle in September, and decided not to because of the economy.  My current car is paid off, and I decided to have a few more months of savings before doing it.   Now, assuming I&#039;m still employed then (and that there&#039;s still a US car industry) I&#039;ll most likely buy something in March/April timeframe.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Multiply my decision by millions of people, and there you have it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for whether or not we should be propping them up?   Well, we need a certain amount of manufacturing capacity domestically if we end up having to build thousands of planes, tanks, ships like we did in WW2, and I support keeping that around, because it should be a lot faster to retool a car plant to make tanks than it will be to build a line from scratch.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But apart from that base capacity?   Let them fold.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but I&#8217;d been planning on buying a new vehicle in September, and decided not to because of the economy.  My current car is paid off, and I decided to have a few more months of savings before doing it.   Now, assuming I&#8217;m still employed then (and that there&#8217;s still a US car industry) I&#8217;ll most likely buy something in March/April timeframe.</p>
<p>Multiply my decision by millions of people, and there you have it.</p>
<p>As for whether or not we should be propping them up?   Well, we need a certain amount of manufacturing capacity domestically if we end up having to build thousands of planes, tanks, ships like we did in WW2, and I support keeping that around, because it should be a lot faster to retool a car plant to make tanks than it will be to build a line from scratch.</p>
<p>But apart from that base capacity?   Let them fold.</p>
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