Snowe comes through for our side; Reid says no filibuster allowed


From the diaries by Erick. . .

The Hill reports that Snowe is not signing on to the Baucus bill.

Senate Democrats are going to have to move forward on healthcare without a single Republican supporter after Sen. Olympia Snowe said Tuesday she could not back the Finance Committee’s bill.

Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) failed to win any Republican backer despite weeks of intense negotiations behind closed doors to strike a deal.

Snowe (Maine), who was one of three Republicans who backed the $787 billion economic stimulus package, was being lobbied heavily by the White House, and some centrists view her refusal to strike a deal with Baucus as troubling. But concerns about how the plan would be paid for prompted her to back away in the hours before its release.

“I do have concerns and I’m not sure they can be addressed before he issues [legislation] tomorrow,” Snowe said.

Axelrod is trying to get the Dems to unite. Reid says screw the GOP as he plans to use reconciliation (what a misnomer) when the time comes.

Faced with the prospect of having to pass legislation without Republican votes, Obama’s chief political adviser David Axelrod met with Senate and House Democrats on Tuesday to stress the importance of party unity on healthcare reform — a message most directly aimed at centrists who now are critical to its passage.

Democrats control 59 seats in the Senate. Without a single Republican vote, they would be forced to advance healthcare using a budgetary maneuver that requires only a simple majority.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Tuesday that Democrats are prepared to use budget reconciliation as a last resort.

“We’ve always had a place at the table for Republicans. There’s one there today. We hope it bears fruit,” he said. “If we can’t get the 60 votes we need, then we’ll have no alternative but to use reconciliation.”

Snowe stayed at the table with Baucus after it appeared Grassley and Enzi had all but bailed, but she is looking out for her constituents and sticking to her guns.

In August, Obama and Baucus narrowed their focus to winning over Snowe after it became clear that other Republican negotiators voiced sharp criticisms of Democratic proposals during the congressional recess.

A Democratic official with knowledge of those talks said a persistent sticking point has been Snowe’s concerns over how Obama and Baucus want to pay for the bill.

Baucus will introduce his healthcare legislation Wednesday and plans to mark it up in the Finance Committee next week. Democrats hope they can persuade Snowe to support the bill before the committee votes to send it to the Senate floor. Baucus told reporters Tuesday that he does not expect any Republicans to be on board prior to the markup.

“I think there will be Republican support when the bill is reported out, at the very latest,” he said. “It may be earlier there will be a Republican or two that will announce support.”

But of course if they win over Snowe, they’ll lose some liberals.

His effort to woo Republicans, however, has alienated liberals. At least one prominent liberal on his committee, Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), plans to vote against Baucus’s plan.

“There is no way in its present form that I will vote for it,” Rockefeller said during a conference call.

Obama and Baucus have suggested paying for a big chunk of reform by levying new taxes on high-cost insurance plans. Specifically, Baucus has suggested a 35 percent excise tax on insurance plans that cost single individuals more than $8,000 a year and cost families more than $21,000.

Snowe’s problem with that plan is that it could impose a heavy tax burden on Maine, which has one of the highest average health insurance premiums in the country. A July study by Harvard economist David Cutler found that Maine, on average, has the fourth-most costly insurance premiums in the country, trailing only Connecticut, Delaware and New Hampshire.

Snowe said she is concerned about Baucus’s plans to tax high-cost plans. “I am, no question, because we are a high-cost state,” said Snowe.

Much more in the article about her concerns re affordability.


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Republicans need to use a term from the REAL Dirty Harry..."GO AHEAD...MAKE OUR DAY"!!

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 11:54AM EST (link)

if this is Ried and this is what they Dems do..

“We’ve always had a place at the table for Republicans. There’s one there today. We hope it bears fruit,” he said. “If we can’t get the 60 votes we need, then we’ll have no alternative but to use reconciliation.”

Then I think Republicans need to start making noise today that they will be following my objection to all unanimous consent request strategy

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

^5 - they need to stop "playing nice" (nt)

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 2:30PM EST (link)

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
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“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


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The Democrats had no hesitation in preventing hearings on nominees

civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 3:14PM EST (link)

They blocked Bolton and several other appointees as well as multiple judicial appointments most notably Estrada (I didn’t hear the press complaining about how the Democratics were anti-Hispanic, BTW).

And now with the Wilson disapproval measure, and previously with their repeal of Motions to Recommit – and other actions I can’t specifically recall, they’ve violated centuries of House Rules precedent for short-term partisan advantage.

So it’s not an argument of worrying if the Democrats would use these obstruction methods against us; they’ve already fired the first shots. The question is whether our representatives have the heuvos to resist or prefer to have their heuvos scrambled by the Democrats.

And also we need to be prepared and have the will to stand up against the partisan press complaints. Remember, the NYT only objects to Republican-led fillibusters, not Democratic fillibusters. So we can never get a fair shake from them anyway.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

This is where McCain's looks like an idiot yet again...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 6:57PM EST (link)

because he wouldn’t let us use this option on the Dems in the confirmation process because he didn’t want to establish a precedent for the Democrats to use later… and here we are just 4 years later and the Dems are about to pull the same trigger.

as for the Wilson thing…there should be a line to file bills to express disapproval of Charlie Rangel and his inability to pay taxes while sitting on the committee that writes tax policy….and barney frank for his Georgetown brothel and on and on…

Just like sexual harassment…they hung CEO after CEO, Republican after Republican on the yardarm of sexual harassment until they had they’re idol hoisted on a petard of their making…and now we here nary a word about sexual harassment…

the Dems have sown the wind here…and it’s high time they reaped the whirlwind.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

let's play some poker with Harry and Nacy...make them decide whether we're bluffing or not...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 7:04PM EST (link)

Beoner and McConnell need to make it clear…if the Dems use reconciliation to avoid a filibuster and cram this down Republican and blue dog Democrat Throats then we are left with no other option but to bring the House and Senate to a screeching halt by objecting to every unanimous consent request…If it comes down to it…there will have to be a roll call vote on every order of business conducted in the House and Senate…Make em vote to open for business…and demand a calling of the roll to turn off the lights at night…

Go ahead Harry….Use your power and flaunt it in front of us…the question is Harry…did we fire 5…or did we fire six? is there still a bullet in the gun? Do ya feel luckey Harry??? Well…do ya…PUNK?!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Ohh...and object to dispensing with the reading of the bills...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 7:08PM EST (link)

make the clerk read every single word on every single page of their 1200 page bill….make the clerk read every word on every amendment and motion!

Go ahead Nancy…try it would ya?

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 

"Not chess, Mr. Spock - poker"

civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 7:10PM EST (link)

We need more Captain Kirk’s and fewer Spocks among our Republican leadership.

Or to put it another, when you opponent has an overwhelming material advantage, it’s time to start playing poker…

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

yeah...the only problem with our analogy is...Republicans don't have to bluff to win...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 8:18PM EST (link)

We’re showing a natural ace high straight flush with two aces in the hole in case Harry and Nancy have a hand to match. If Boehner and McConnel make the play I’m saying…it’s over…Republicans can shut down the house and Senate and nothing will be done…(which isn’t a bad thing as far as I’m concerned)…

I’m not sure if you read my post as I posted it months agao…but the beauty of this is it doesn’t even required Boehner and McConnel’s approval…all it would take is three Republicans in the Senate….and three Republicans in the House working eight hour shifts sitting on the floor…reading the paper…or playing spider solitaire on their cell phones who will stand up…and state an objection every time any leader from either side of the isle asks for a unanimous consent request…the only motions that would pass would be those that were passed with a full blown roll call vote!

C’mon Harry…push em to it!…I just want to see a couple brave souls do what I’m suggesting for one day….just one day to show the leadership of both sides the game play is up…either play fair and stop the procedural games…or work round the clock to get anything done!

Let the people’s will work it’s way in the House and Senate they way it’s supposed to…or

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Posted too soon

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 8:20PM EST (link)

Let the people’s will work it’s way in the House and Senate they way it’s supposed to…and end the bullying parlor tricks…or face the consequences!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 

Okay, you asked for it.

The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 9:28PM EST (link)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSaWLMcFiiQ

 
 
 
 
 

Ask Coburn and Barrasso a Question

Sean Hackbarth (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 1:08PM EST (link)

Here’s the PDF file of Sen. Max Baucus’ health care plan. The Senate Finance Committee will begin work on it next week.

About the only thing bipartisan about this plan is the opposition. No Republicans have signed on and Sen. Jay Rockefeller won’t support it.

Sen. Tom Coburn, M.D., and Sen. John Barrasso, M.D., would like your questions about the Baucus bill and health care reform for a future episode of “The Senate Doctors Show.” You can leave them on Facebook, Twitter, or e-mail.

Sean Hackbarth
Senate Republican Conference

 

Sorry, don't buy the Snowe-job yet...

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 1:22PM EST (link)

Has she completely renounced her participation in the Senate HC “Gang Of Sicks”??? I just don’t buy it yet…. WE CANNOT LET UP ON ANY OF THESE FOLKS and keep flooding them with calls/writing especially those on the Gang Of Sicks and all the other Republicans we know have tendency to SELL US OUT (reminder: McCain HC – McCain HC Townhall details, another sell-out pre-declared!. They are still going to land up costing us more all the way around, either as Taxpayers and/or Patients (DC HC compromises will cost you MORE not less).

ATTN: MICHIGANDERS Gary Peters has another HC Townhall coming up (see the RS FP Calendar) on 9/22 in Pontiac…. BE PREPARED and know in advance what/how he is going to conduct his Dog And Pony show by reading (and perhaps printing out and giving to others as a Handout to those waiting for the Townhall in line that day): HC Townhall: Like Hollywood, Democrats used new Actors to replay the same Script. which is all about Gary Peters’ last Townhall. If you’re not in MI, you may still wish to have all the items above handy as all the Democrats are repeating the same MO (of following one of those approved Democrat Talking Point layout meeting structures) for theirs!!!

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

 

Meanwhile back in Nevada...

Castor (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 1:33PM EST (link)

Harry Reid should be looking over his shoulder.
If he dares use the so-called reconciliacion gambit he might as well change his name to toast. Come to think about it it he probably is toast anyway!

 

Baucus (D) giving Republicans "some" cover

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 2:36PM EST (link)

while I still want the The Senate HC “Gang Of Sicks” non-sense stopped in its tracks, it is providing Republicans some cover from the “Party of NO” BS that we are not cooperating (frankly, I’d rather they be entirely uncooperative and not-participatory)… It won’t keep the MSM from playing it up on one hand while on the other hand Obama’s BS about Republicans need to be involved and Baucus (and need to still let Grassley and other Gang Of Sicks Republicans, and wishy-washy types McCain/others, know our disdain) having this supposed “BiPartisan” compromise.

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

 

WOW! That is unexpected.

The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 3:04PM EST (link)

I doubt the Blue Dogs will fail to hear the screech of the sirens going off with that announcement. And that should kill reconciliation as well.

Why?

Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 8:05PM EST (link)

There’s no reason that a lack of GOP votes would kill reconciliation. They don’t give a flip what the GOP does. They’ll use it come hell or high water.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

Because without the Blue Dogs they can't pass it under reconciliation either.

The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 9:58PM EST (link)

I don’t think reconciliation was ever about convincing Republicans to support the bill. That’s just the spin for the MSM. I think it has always been about keeping the Blue Dogs on the reservation.

 
 
 

Am I the only one here who sees the irony of all of us cheering because a Republican decided to act like a Republican?!

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 16th at 7:54PM EST (link)

Our whole Party, Nation, and way of life is at the mercy of one or two Senators who can sell us down the river with a yea or nea…and have done so in the past!

We can’t declare victory until Obamacare is not only pronounced dead…but untill we’ve posted a guard on the corpse who will stand watch until it is not only cold…but stinking!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson