Drudge has a link to this NYT/IHT article: Obama reaches out for McCain’s counsel
I’m trying to figure what to make of it. Of course, being a TINY bit cynical, I wonder how much he’d be reaching out if he had 60 Dems in the Senate instead of 59 (or 58) since winning over McCain automatically includes Graham. But I’m trying to keep an open mind.
Over the last three months, Mr. Obama has quietly consulted Mr. McCain about many of the new administration’s potential nominees to top national security jobs and about other issues — in one case relaying back a contender’s answers to questions Mr. McCain had suggested.
Mr. McCain, meanwhile, has told colleagues “that many of these appointments he would have made himself,” said Senator Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican and a close McCain friend.
See the article for the details, but this kind of gives the general flavor. It makes it sound as if Obama is sincere about getting advice from McCain, but then again the NYT is certainly not going to accuse Obama of doing it for the sake of politics.
It is “trademark Obama,” Professor Greenstein said, noting that Mr. Obama’s impulse to win over even ideological opposites appeared to date at least to his friendships with conservatives on The Harvard Law Review when he was president.
One can only wonder how many conservatives Obama dealt with in his HLR days.
But Mr. Graham, who accompanied Mr. McCain to the meeting, said Mr. Obama took a notably different tone toward Iraq than he had during the campaign, emphasizing the common ground in their views.
“He said that he understands that we had differences but he wanted to let us know that he also understands that we have got to be responsible in how we leave Iraq,” Mr. Graham recalled. “What the Obama-Biden administration has talked about is not losing the gains we have achieved. ”
He added, “Obama does not want to be the guy who lost Iraq when it is close to being won.”
I don’t know. I read this as Obama saying it was okay that he lied about Iraq during the campaign (How many times did we hear about his “16 months” vs McCain’s “100 years”?) just so long as he won. But then again I’m glad he’s appearing to be less reckless than he promised to be, so that’s a good thing in the end.
Interesting.
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
You are surprised that Obama and McCain are
janis (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:32AM EST (link)buddies? I’m not. It’s totally in character for JMac. He has always thought more highly of his Senate cohorts than he ever has the electorate. It’s the reason he ran such a trifling campaign in terms of hitting Obama where he should have, but never did. And now he gets the payoff by being mentioned as an Obama confidante and advisor.
He really makes me nauseous.
mccain has irritated his senate colleagues
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:38AM EST (link)almost as much as coburn.
see, e.g.:
his support for the war
his long-standing opposition to earmarks
his opposition to medicare part d
his opposition to the pork-laden transportation bill
his opposition to ethanol subsidies as well as many other unnecessary farm subsidies
his opposition to wasteful defense spending and procurement processes
not to mention his campaigning for bush in both 2000 and 2004, and campaigning more for republican congressional candidates than almost any other senator
criticize him for seeking the good favor of democrats too quickly. i’ll agree with you in some instances. but look at the whole picture, too.
Okay, icbm, I'll amend my remark to this:
janis (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 10:58AM EST (link)JMac has always thought more highly of his Democrat Senate cohorts than he has the electorate–or his Republican peers.
That satisfy you? Don’t expect me to look at any bigger picture than that. McCain’s horrible campaigning + his capitulation to the first bailout in opposition to so many of the conservatives who voted against it put us where we will be tomorrow–inaugurating the LEFT.
i appreciate the effort
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:26AM EST (link)i would go farther than that, but i do appreciate your gesture. thanks.
So icbm, not to spend the day quibbling with you
Jack_Savage (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 8:06PM EST (link)Which Senate colleagues were convinced to join McCain on these issues he felt so passionately about?
Or to put it another way, if McCain were so well liked and bipartisanship were so effective, exactly which of these issues were resolved to his satisfaction?
That's not what I was getting at, Jack
icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 12:17PM EST (link)I wasn’t arguing that McCain has been bipartisan, nor that McCain has been effective at anything at all – only that he has annoyed his Senate colleagues on a number of issues.
I was objecting to Janis’s characterization of McCain:
“He has always thought more highly of his Senate cohorts than he ever has the electorate.”
(Of course, just because he has annoyed his Senate colleagues repeatedly, as I tried to show, that doesn’t conclusively prove that he still doesn’t think more highly of his colleagues than of the electorate. I admit that.)
Your mixed feelings are mine also
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:33AM EST (link)I think he may want to rely on McCain the way that McCain relied on Lieberman – to show bipartisan support for a particular strategy.
No one in the Senate is stronger than McCain on doing everything possible for victory in Iraq, though, so if Obama is reaching out about that, he better not be talking about a timeline-based withdrawal (as opposed to a conditions-based withdrawal).
We’ll see what develops. Too soon to say. “Interesting” to watch, though, as you say.
uh . . . waterboarding, Geneva Convention treatment of non-uniformed illegal combatants, etc.
JSobieski (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:30AM EST (link)McCain ain’t so hot–not even on Iraq.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
where's adam c when you need him
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:37AM EST (link)actually, seriously, where IS adam c, anyway? did he retire from being an editor?
yes, Adam C retired - nt
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 12:11PM EST (link)Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
too bad. adam c was well informed and also
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 12:14PM EST (link)a calm and thorough debater. i always learned from him, even when i disagreed.
Ditto me...
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 12:31PM EST (link)he posted a goodbye cruel world letter a day or two after McGoo lost.
I begged him not to leave but to no avail…I respected him for the reasons I posted earlier on the thread and I always learned from him…I know not to go from memory with him and source everything because if I didn’t he’d be on me like a rabid hound…we lost much when he quit!
that says a lot about adam c since you surely
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 12:33PM EST (link)disagreed frequently.
well, i wish him well, and hopefully he will publish more articles either in print or on the web before too long.
I will not speak ill of the dead
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 1:04PM EST (link)in this case.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
I don't consider him dead...and according to Neil he's busy
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 1:49PM EST (link)and that’s why he left…but as I say…the timing and the way he left didn’t look good and left a sour taste in my mouth…I fervently disagreed with him on McCain and we had some really good back and forth discussions and he made me a good blogger as a result because as I say…I didn’t dare say anything to him that I couldn’t back up without having my head handed to me!
I’d like to hear from him again…so don’t take anything I said as any ill will toward him at all…the blankee snark is a result of bitterness on my part over the way he left and I would be bitter if I didn’t wish he were still here.
Correction
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 1:50PM EST (link)I wouldn’t be bitter if I didn’t wish he were still here!
And Adam - who I like a lot - was utterly 100%
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 7:49PM EST (link)wrong on John McCain. I only with McCain was half the man Adam thought he was.
He took his blankee and went home after McCain lost...
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 12:23PM EST (link)I owe Adam a lot because he pulled my fat out of the fire because I was almost banned…but quitting because his guy lost is a bitter pill to swallow…I liked him a lot even though we disagreed more often than not!
I'm pretty sure he didn't quit because of the election
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 12:29PM EST (link)He just has a lot going on.
RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
I'll take your word for it because you'd obviously know better than I
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 12:38PM EST (link)they way he left and the timing didn’t look good!
Either way…my blankee snark aside…he is missed and I hope he’ll be back
did McCain say that we need 300,000 troups for the initial invasion?
JSobieski (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 7:38PM EST (link)I believe Powell said we needed 500,000.
Anyway, the point is, McCain was and remains no gem—-on Iraq or anything else.
The fact that the response is where is AdamC instead of a direct defense speaks volumes
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
educate yourself
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:22PM EST (link)http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/01/19/so-who-will-this-tick-off-more/#comment-9558
see my comment at the link above. that’s just one example of many.
and i asked for adam c because he always had the patience to deal with people afflicted with mccain derangement syndrome, such as yourself, whereas i don’t really have the interest.
but if you want to tell yourself that mccain was no good on iraq, go ahead. you’re only showing your own ignorance.
Never said he was NO good, just disagree that he was PERFECT
JSobieski (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:12PM EST (link)I voted for the guy, and am not deranged.
I suspect many will become angry with McCain in 2009 however.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
you're backtracking now
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:45PM EST (link)next time write more carefully so you don’t have split hairs in order to defend your position
No backtracking---just repeating
JSobieski (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:47PM EST (link)you should read more carefully
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
"McCain was and remains no gem"
JSobieski (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:50PM EST (link)Explain how this means that McCain was “NO GOOD” McCain is no gem, he’s copper wire—useful, but no prize. Do you understand that there is middle ground between overrated and “no good”?
How many beers have you had? Or are you drinking mad dog right out of the bottle?
Is it backtracking to quote myself and defend the meaning of the words that I used?
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
you protest too much. learn before writing next time.
icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 11:52AM EST (link)you obviously hate mccain, but it’s just as obvious you don’t know the facts about his record on iraq. go ahead and hate him if you want, but learn the facts about his record on any particular issue before you write about whether he’s been good or bad on that issue.
I don't hate McCain--I voted for him and donated money
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 5:32PM EST (link)He was not as great on Iraq as people give him credit for.
His interpretation of the Geneva Convention gave a lot of cover to a lot of people in weakening our ability to fight wars.
Why don’t you read the Geneva Convention and learn a few things beyond shallow talking points?
I mean, how is your characterization of McCain on Iraq any different than the MSM’s characterization of McCain as an Iraq hawk?
If you live in a binary world, sure, he was supportive of the effort. However, he did several things that also weakened the effort.
You failed to respond to the specifics of my point–you sir, are the person using sloppy language to communicate sloppy thoughts.
McCain is no gem—and his Iraq policy was far from “perfect”.
Maybe its time for you to lay off the sauce? Or at least stay away from sharp objects?
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Your link does not refute my proposition
JSobieski (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:15PM EST (link)McCain thought the initial invasion force was inadequate, and essentially thought that it needed to be doubled to be effective.
In contrast, the peak of the surge never reached such numbers.
So, no McCain was not some kind of genius on Iraq.
McCain on most issues is better than an Democrat —- and thats about all one can say. There are a couple of government spending issues on which he rocks. Otherwise, mediocre at best.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
have a drink, sobieski
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:20PM EST (link)defense matters are not your strong point
Have two yourself, with a shot of humility
JSobieski (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:21PM EST (link)and maybe a third to open your mind a bit
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
golly
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:41PM EST (link)good one
MDS isn't an issue here icbm...McCain can't be counted on for anything
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 11:38AM EST (link)see his behavior concerning Palin as an example…he has no loyalty to anything or anyone except McCain…and any loyalty he does show is more toward the Democrats and the so called objective media than towards anyone or anything to do with his own party or subordinates.
If you want to close your eyes to it then fine but please don’t accuse us of having a mental disorder because we refuse to!
actually, i really think it is an issue
icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 12:04PM EST (link)i appreciate your respectful reply – i do – but it truly seems to me that you are determined to hate mccain no matter what and cast everything he does in the worst possible light. just because you have a lot of redstaters on your side doesn’t make it any better.
think about it – how hard would it be for you to admit that certain things mccain has done are good, or that he has done certain things for the country and not for himself? seriously, would it be too difficult?
so i’ll make one more point. tell me how it was self-serving of mccain to campaign – and i mean even before he was a presidential nominee – for more republican congressional candidates than almost any other republican senator, including candidates who have criticized him.
(there are plenty of things to object to in mccain without dismissing every single thing the man has ever done.)
Fair enough...he deserves credit where credit is due...
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 1:17PM EST (link)one being his campaigning for congressional candidates…and he deserves credit for his support of the surge though I think his roll in it is way over stated since every Republican supported the surge! His crusade against earmarks are notable as well…
But his departure from the Party on critical issues and it the worse possible times and his failures far outwieght the good.
That being said…how is my criticism of him any worse than your blind fealty to him?
ok, so we've established some common ground
icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 2:46PM EST (link)i won’t hope for more since my view of mccain is just too different. i wouldn’t call my position “blind fealty,” though. it may appear that way right now because i’m defending mccain from what i consider unfair criticism, but no, as i wrote just above, there are many things to object to. for example, his 2007 immigration proposal, his global warming position, and his first amendment position, to name a few.
I guess we'll leave it there then...until next time?
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 3:18PM EST (link)Ace 55555
Scope (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 6:42PM EST (link)N/T
"No one in the Senate is stronger than McCain on doing everything possible for victory in Iraq,"
JSobieski (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:54PM EST (link)My characterization of your statement as “McCain was perfect on Iraq” is far more accurate than your characterization of my statement that “McCain was no gem” as McCain was “No Good” on Iraq.
You go on to insult my intelligence, my ability to write clearly, and suggest that I embibe some adult beverages.
You should eat some crow—if you ever get your foot out of your mouth
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
So arguing that the Geneva Convention provisions pertaining to uniformed combatants should apply to non-uniformed combatants makes McCain the best Senator?
JSobieski (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:59PM EST (link)Sorry, but my limited knowledge of military affairs suggests that the expansion of the Geneva convention in that way is a significant obstacle in the way of our military success anywhere in the world.
I don’t consider that to result in a stronger effort in Iraq or anywhere else.
I realize it took the Supreme Court to change the law, but McCain gave the wrong side tons of public support in the court of public opinion.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
ICBM, I presume you agree with McCain re: the Geneva Convention?
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 5:33PM EST (link)Or is the entire discussion above my head and pay-grade?
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
JSobieski, you add to your list McCain's "Torture Amendment"
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 5:50PM EST (link)Everything related to that little gem was already covered in existing US law and existing treaty obligations. It was nothing more that McCain taking advantage of his access to an at-the-moment friendly press to stick his thumb in the eye of the feckless Bush Administration who he knew wouldn’t tell him to stick his amendment where the sun doesn’t shine.
Overall on military matters, McCain is marginally better than Chuck Hagel. But only marginally.
Don't you think though, that we got better nominees and retained more good people
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 9:38AM EST (link)since Obama did this? We are talking damage control. Yes, Obama lied for two years and McCain is, well McCain. But I would rather Obama have gotten advice of nat sec personnel from McCain than most any democrat. eh?
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Given McCain's choice of friends?
mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 10:18AM EST (link)No. His advice is no better than Barney Frank’s.
Good point Mike..as usual
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 11:42AM EST (link)nt
Oh and...
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 5:46PM EST (link)what makes you think BO was “asking for advice”, as in he would actually DO SOMETHING if McCain didn’t like the names he mentioned. This was a publicity stunt, nothing more.
In case you haven’t noticed, BO doesn’t NEED the good will of Republicans for at least the next four years. And over the next six months you’re going to see the Dems voting in lockstep to pass his agenda. We’re reaping a whirlwind and we’re just beginning to see it in BO’s executive orders.
By the end of May we will have a $1.5T porkfest to prop up the economy – that won’t do anything but fund the Democratic Shadow Government, we’ll have Card Check, we may have RTW outlawed for-all-intents-and-purposes and we’ll be well on the way to a nationalized health care plan that will be law by the end of the year. That doesn’t include the groundwork for significant reductions in military spending to “fund” the social side of BO’s agenda.
You are about to see the Party-Out-of-Power ignored in ways never before thought of.
Don't worry your open mind
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:06AM EST (link)He’s angling for 60 consistent votes.
Period.
“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
I'm sure some of the weak spined members of the GOP will help him out with that
Elizabeth Christian (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:15PM EST (link)because they are too afraid of being partisan, they should do like the liberals and speak of bipartisanship then do what they want to, blame it on the opposition, and then say we were bipartisan it was those democrats who would not be. It works for them – maybe they should try it – the American people at least a great big bunch of them are obviously not paying attention, oh wait the liberal media will tell them what to think anyways. Oh well, fight them, block them, do and say what you want GOP but do not sugar coat and make life easy for liberals – it makes me upset to think about those who are all in love with Obama now from the GOP.
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
~Benjamin Franklin
I don't think they were ever anything but...
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 12:17PM EST (link)They share the same ideology. I’ve never been able to shake the feeling that McCain just wanted Nominee for POTUS on his resume and never wanted the job…at least his campaign looked like he was just going through the motions!
The McCain lost because he didn't try get's really old
PopulistConservative Monday, January 19th at 1:59PM EST (link)or because he was a a bad canidate… comments get really old. They seem like a perfect example of people simply believing whatever they want to without giving any consideration to actual reality. McCain may have run a bad campaign, but he was running in a party that had an incumbent president with an approval rating in the 20s, and then to finish him off you have an economy that tanks. When the odds are stacked against you, like they were in McCain’s case, you going to take big risks and things may go awry. However, please stop the rewriting of history, where some other Republican canidate would have won. Any other canidate besides McCain would have started out much further behind, they might have run a better campaign ( though considering none of them ran a good enough campaign to get the nomination, its not likely) but its still very unlikely they would have won. If the blame for this election goes to anyone in particular it goes to Bush.
McCain did the Republicans a huge disservice in his failure
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 2:38PM EST (link)to vigorously pursue the Democrats culpability in the Fannie/Freddie mess.
By choosing a campaign manager that participated in the free-lunch participation of the private upside/govt guarantee downside GSE racket to the tune of $2 million, he was doomed the day Lehman failed in Sept.
No, Mitt Romney would not have won. But I believe a Romney nomination would have prevented the sole pinning of the credit collapse on Republicans, and Republicans would have fared better than 41-59 in the Senate.
Oh Please, Bush would have gotten more votes
Tbone (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 8:23PM EST (link)than McCain. Good people stayed home in droves so as not to have to vote for the old liberal fart.
If he hadn’t picked Palin, he would have lost by 15,000,000-20,000,000 votes.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Everything you wrote ignores the critical fact that McCain was actually ahead until a key moment in the campaign
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 12:22AM EST (link)If you analysis was the entire story, how in hell did McCain build such momentum and overtake Obama?
The campaign was winnable, uphill battle, but definitely winnable.
Why would people vote for a guy whose primary economic message is “I cut spending” when he put himself on the line for the $700B TARP plan?
Its like demanding a diet coke to go down with 5 Big Macs.
No real economic message at that point. Game over.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
So...if that's true...and I conceed it is...
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 12:08PM EST (link)why did the credit mess tank him? It’s not like it happened despite a coherent message from him. He flopped and floundered like a fish out of water for nearly a week allowing Obama to look more presidential because he at least had a coherent and consistent message during the “Crisis?
McCain lost because the entire premise of his campaign was pandering and cow towing to Moderates and Independents…he never had a governing strategy and he’s never had a consistent ideology which is why he was so indecisive and came off as a bumbling old fool when the banking mess hit and he refused to point the finger at Frank, Dodd, and Obama’s boy Raines!
Your comment made it sound like his loss was inevitable and that he had no shot---he had a shot, he just blew it, several times
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 5:47PM EST (link)McCain’s reaction to TARP pleased no one. He approached the issue on a pure process basis, i.e. what does it take to get this deal done.
He took the worst possible approach in dealing with it, in part, because McCain really doesn’t “get” the economy.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
If I gave the impression that a Republican had no shot to be Obama, I didn't mean that!
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 11:54AM EST (link)I would argue the mistakes McCain made which sunk him were inevitable given that McCain is…well….McCain. In that sense he had no chance. He was destined to make the mistakes he made for the reasons I sited
The fact that Obama didn’t get more votes than Kerry and McCain lost because of turnout bears out the fact that a decent candidate could have won…so in that sense you are right….McCain just wasn’t it IMHO.
Well
zuiko (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 12:32AM EST (link)Maybe if he laid off some of those “big risks” such as trying to rebrand himself the candidate of socialism 6 weeks out, he would have had a shot.
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman
The Fannie/Freddie issue was tailor-made for McCain to level himself with Obama.
Martin Knight (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 3:37AM EST (link)He deliberately chose to lowball the issue because it would have hurt his friends Chris Dodd and Byron Dorgan’s feelings and they wouldn’t be
friendsbipartisans with him again.Rick Davis having been a Fannie/Freddie lobbyist was no excuse for him not to tie the entire mess around the CRA and the Democrats on video defending those monstrosities. The idiotic argument that Rick Davis (a hired lobbyist for Fannie Mae) equaled Obama’s ties (not to mention the huge amounts of money he received from Fannie and Freddie executives) to Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines (CEOs of Fannie Mae) is just that, idiotic.
Not only did McCain hardly receive any money from the GSEs, he actually sponsored legislation – one of the few times in the last eight years that he did so without seeking Democratic permission – that would have prevented the worst of the collapse from happening.
McCain instead, stoooopidly decided to blame “Wall Street Greed”, not only deflecting blame away from the Democrats and Obama, but actively giving strength and credibility to their talking points (not exactly a new thing for McCain). Romney would have done ten times better and we would have very likely have been able to save our Senate seats in OR and MN.
Heck, considering that Romney would never have called for suspending his campaign and run to Washington in response to a call for “Bipartisanship” (the word works like magic on McCain) from Harry Reid, we might have been able to save the NC and NH seats.
Second, considering how quick McCain was (and is) to get to the cameras and microphones to launch missiles and recriminations at people who make perfectly legitimate criticisms of Obama on his own side, his silence while his(ha!) “base” – the Obamaphile media – not only went after his running mate, but her family, has been very telling.
So let’s not be stupid, McCain could have done significantly better. And at this point, I’m pretty certain he knew it. He chose not to.
PS: McCain bears a significant share of the blame for Bush’s numbers – even if Bush not defending himself is the major cause. He and his and his groupies in the Senate were always there to undermine one Bush initiative after another with Democratic talking points. The effect of this was to enable Democrats to successfully make President Bush look like an extremist since “even John McCain agrees …!“
Martin, you nailed it. That is exactly right.
icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 2:52PM EST (link)(putting aside the p.s., which is another issue)
Your view is clear-sighted and accurate. Anything I would add would only support what you wrote.
Thanks. [nt]
Martin Knight (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 3:18PM EST (link)On the mark, Martin.
spainishirish (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 6:45PM EST (link)The biggest regret McCain had as nominee was that it made it difficult to attack the Republican candidate. He did manage to criticize the North Carolina Republican Party when it tried to help him.
McCain has become a rather boring self-parody. He can deliver very little other than an ever-less convincing patina of “bipartisanship” on legislation the American public hates but most Democrats want. Despite Obama’s blatant invitation that McCain become Uber Judas Goat Extraordinaire, which the geriatric and witless campaign suspender will accept, even his Democratic “friends’ smell his weakness. I look for Napolitano to be sent to Arizona about this time next year to explore future career opportunities. It probably will be shortly after McCain has soiled himself to help “pass something” that will bankrupt the country, like another trillion dollar government waste program. He’ll get to ferret out two or three earmarks to prove he’s still down with it, though.
I wish Obama weren’t president. I’m not upset that McCain isn’t president.
All I hear here is excuses...
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 12:00PM EST (link)He lost more than anything because his economic message was incoherent. He lost because he refused to go after Obama on anything other than that he was wrong on the surge…He refused to tie Resco around Obama’s neck and to point out Resco bought his house for him…he took a hands off position on Wright, he was all over the map on the banking issue and basically sucked all the way around…His surrogates went after Palin for going off the reservation because she refused to go down in flames without putting up a fight and he refused to defend her after the election or to call off the dogs. Bottom line…McCain is not one of us…has never been one of us…and he will continue into the future sticking us in the back like he’s always done!
OK…I’ll take your word for it….maybe he did try which is even worse because everything he tried was a dismal failure!
Many of us predicted what he would do because we have experience with him and he didn’t disappoint us at all…He is only exceeded by Bob Dole in his incompetence, incoherence and refusal to hammer his opponent on legitimate issues.
Oh..and Bush wasn’t running…McCain was…That’s one I’m sick of as well from the McCain sycophants and the incompetents running the RNC, the NRSC, and the NRCC…they started out this election by announcing to one and all that we didn’t have a chance this year and they set around during the whole campaign pissing and moaning that people weren’t sending money. And finally…the great McCain decided he’d pander to independents and moderates by blurring the differences between him and Obama and tamped down his support among conservatives as a result…the polls show Obama didn’t increase his share of voters this election cycle…he barely one because turnout amongst conservatives was down…
so…WHO IS RE-WRITING HISTORY?
It's not "reaching out." Obama wants McCain to be a human
spainishirish (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 12:45PM EST (link)shield. Obama and company know the GOP was right about the war, but they so demonized it that the effort remains unpopular. So on que, the old senator lines up to get a photo op with WaPo or AARP. The pathetic thing is that McCain realizes he is used but is so needy for attention he volunteers to help. The good thing is that we don’t have to take this man seriously ever again.
Exactly...
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 1:43PM EST (link)This is a game the Dems have played for 70 years…all they need to do is get one Republican, (the mark) to go with them early on on any issue. They’ll give him the publicity and get him good press for how high minded he is….thus getting his fingerprints on it. Depending on how much of their crap the mark goes along with the Dems will later change it once no one is looking so it conforms with their agenda and pass it.
This way…if it turns out good, they’ll take the credit and give the mark no credit at all for his participation…if it goes bad…the mark and the rest of the Republican Party will get they blame even though the Party as a whole opposed it…and of course…while his party is taking the hit and having hose turds thrown at them by the so called objective press…our mark will be out there lapping up the vomit spewed on the floor my the Democrats…and lining up to play the dupe on the next issue!
Some of us never took him seriously in the first place…I for one went along and went through the motions…but I never considered McCain as anything more than a clown and a traitor to his party!
Exactlactly!! Remember "Read my lips"
olsmithie (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 7:55PM EST (link)just before the dems put the knife in his back.
Nothing new, your are so correct.
BTW If Mac is a traitor, does that make Lindsey Grahmnesty a “traitor in training?”
Regards
Dumb and dumber... -nt-
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 8:15PM EST (link)except that without mccain, graham, and lieberman
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:11PM EST (link)we would have lost Senate support for the war in the winter, spring, or summer of 2007, and the Democrats might have gained enough of a majority to overcome the President’s veto.
and i know you wouldn’t have liked that result, mbecker.
hate mccain for his faults (the immigration bill, among many other things), but give him his due for helping save the country from disgrace and defeat.
McCain gets no credit for anything but being a self-serving puke.
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:39PM EST (link)He retired his honor when he retired from the Navy. Since he’s been in Washington he’s been nothing more than a creature of the City, an unrestrained power grabber.
His call for “more troops” was not so much support for the surge as defined by General Petraeus, it was a thumb in the eye of the Administration pure and simple. Just like G14 and the Torture Amendment and CFR.
John McCain is nothing more or less than a bitter old politician who’s time never came because it never was and he can’t deal with that. And we will pay the price for it.
i expected no less, given what you've written before
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:43PM EST (link)oh well
You give people like McCain and Graham
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:50PM EST (link)any quarter and you have what we suffer with today. A Republican Party that stands for exactly nothing. Ronald Reagan and William Buckley and probably Goldwater are spinning in their graves. The people who populate Senate seats – with very few notable exceptions – are the most unprincipled bunch of pirates who ever lived. On both sides of the aisle.
you should try this blanton's i'm drinking
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:57PM EST (link)really
and we expected no less than the screwing we got when McCain was nominated
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 12:24PM EST (link)He’s out there now with his RMSP friends bragging how Obama’s success depends on them…more on that later!
and pour yourself a drink
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:51PM EST (link)you’ll feel better
No, if history is any indicator
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:54PM EST (link)I’ll just wake up in a different country with no clue as to how I got there or who these people are who are pointing at me.
John McCain’s retirement, along with his toady little buddy Graham, will make me feel better.
Wow!
Amy Miller (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:59PM EST (link)You were at that party too?
Happy “Ride in on a Unicorn and Redistribute the Pixie Dust” Eve!
“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.
Probably. I just can't seem to remember.
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 10:02PM EST (link)But I do know several things for sure:
1. Mrs908 still loves me after all these years (no easy task).
2. Franz still tolerates me (again, NET).
3. I’m really, really glad for the statute of limitations.
Nope. I disagree.
Martin Knight (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 4:24AM EST (link)We had at least 43 Senators who would have backed the President, and when it came to the war, Bush was no pussy cat.
This is as bent an argument as the one that says the Gang of 14 is responsible for Roberts and Alito on the Supreme Court, rather than scads of Appeals Court nominees discarded left to rot for years without a hearing.
I think we would not have had those 43 senators
icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 3:04PM EST (link)without McCain, Graham, and Lieberman stepping out front to lead the charge and take a lot of the heat.
If you recall, in July of 2007, a number of Republican senators started to call publicly for a change of course. They didn’t vote with the Democrats, but they were going wobbly. These included Voinovich, Lugar, Dole, Warner, Domenici, and Sessions, among others, and they made their announcements in rapid succession over the course of two or three weeks. It looked to many observers as if the Democrats made one run at the Republican line, it would crumble.
So the question is how wobbly they would have gotten if it hadn’t been for the three senators putting themselves in the way of the concerted and growing assault of the defeatists and publicly arguing for victory on television, in the newspapers, and around the nation.
On this question we can disagree – but I’m not inclined to trust much in the courage of those remaining senators who were already beginning to draw back and seek cover.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day...so what's your point?
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 12:15PM EST (link)McCain was right on the surge as was Little Mrs Lindsey…but that hardly excuses all the other crap they’re throwing our way already before the golden child is even inaugurated!
i don't excuse that. i agree with you about it.
icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 3:13PM EST (link)n/t
Oh...I'll also point out the fact that you are falling back on
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 12:20PM EST (link)one of the few instances where McCain voted with his party as reason he should be supported or shouldn’t be criticized proves our point!
i'm not arguing for supporting mccain, only
icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 3:10PM EST (link)for not being unfair in criticizing him. criticize him for where he deserves it, but lay off where he doesn’t. there have been a lot of over-the-top wholesale dismissals of the man’s entire record and character.
So one good issue, a couple of good votes vs. sabotaging the conservative agenda numerous other times
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 8:36PM EST (link)I wsh McCain would retire or move to a purple state and run from there.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Careful what you wish for
baseketball (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 8:38PM EST (link)Arizona may be heading purple.
mccain's no traitor to the party. he's not a party
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:09PM EST (link)man at all. he’s an independent kind of guy, always has been. he doesn’t even really like the idea of parties. frankly, i sympathize with him… i don’t really like parties, either. i’m more conservative than he is, so i’m frustrated with him for that reason, but it’s not a matter of party loyalty.
i don’t think many of us around here have the right to talk about party loyalty, anyway. most of us are loyal to conservatism first and only secondarily to the republican party. and if the republican party goes much further left, i can assure you that many redstaters would be among the first to become “traitors to the party.”
Don't kid yourself. John McCain doesn't give a tinkers dam
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:46PM EST (link)about ANYTHING
oops...
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:46PM EST (link)but John McCain. And never has.
Good catch there, becker.
spainishirish (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:25PM EST (link)The Party of McCain has one member but he does like to be mentioned.
A lot.
McCain is not an "independent kind of guy" ...
Martin Knight (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 4:28AM EST (link)… he takes positions designed to get him on the talk shows and a positive mention in newspaper headlines.
In reality, outside of national security, it’s rare to see him take a position contrary to whatever the DC conventional wisdom happens to be at the moment.
And frankly Martin, I think he took the "more troops"
mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 10:04AM EST (link)position just to spite Bush. Same for G14 and Torture.
national security and spending, i'd say
icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 3:22PM EST (link)those are the biggest ways in which he’s bucked the dc establishment
one could add his gun positions (not 100% NRA but about 80-90%), and his pro-life record (apart from his mistaken idea about stem cell research) – but he has never been outspoken about these issues. he’s voted right, for the most part, but they don’t appear to be near and dear to his heart the way national security and spending are.
but there’s otherwise a lot to what you say, unfortunately. he likes the approval of the other side far too much.
In this you're right
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 12:36PM EST (link)Rush hiot the nail on the head that maybe it’s time that Conservatives take over the term of RINO because if this country continues to become everything I hated when I was stationed in England I’ll leave the Republican Party for any party that will fight to stop it in a slit second!
McCain was neither loyal to the party, or to any particular politica philosophy
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 8:37PM EST (link)so why run for the REPUBLICAN nomination as a CONSERVATIVE?
He’s an independent who kissed our butts for a view weeks, and many conservatives were dumb enough to fall for it.
Shame on us!
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Hey icbm...
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 7:54PM EST (link)with a HT to Brian Faughnan at Redhot.
Please note Jim Geraghty’s column at NRO’s Campaign Spot
The particular issue this time is Hillary Clinton’s SoS nomination and the money she and Bill have been piling up from foreign governments, and will continue to do so. But never fear, McCain will be rearing his ugly head EVERY TIME he has the opportunity to be “bipartisan” and get good press time.
He probably thinks McCain will be an ally from the right.
itrytobenice (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 2:33PM EST (link)He doesn’t know that we see him as first runner up in the most important beauty contest. Which can be translated, of course, into #1 loser.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Obama's not that stupid
PopulistConservative Monday, January 19th at 2:48PM EST (link)He’s not reaching out to McCain to reach out to you. He well knows the hyperpartisan talk radio wing of the party will always hate McCain, and himself. Obama’s doing this to keep support in the middle.
yes, i think that's right. obama's reaching for
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:24PM EST (link)the middle, not for the right. it will be some time yet before obama even feels the need to reach out to the right.
Really...and the first people he reaches out to is Little Mrs Lindsey and McCain?
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 12:41PM EST (link)Doesn’t that say all we need to know?
Yea clearly...
zuiko (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 12:39AM EST (link)Obama’s trying to shore up his support in center that went for McCain over Obama in huge numbers… oh wait. That didn’t happen at all. So much for your theory.
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman
So your point is that McCain isn't in the middle
icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 3:44PM EST (link)but actually part of the Left? Is that what you’re getting at?
OK, well, if that’s what you’ve decided, I doubt I’ll be able to persuade you otherwise. But his record taken as a whole, even since 2000, doesn’t support that conclusion. I think it shows him liberal on some big issues and conservative on other big issues, putting him in the middle. His liberal stances are highly annoying because he’s so loud about them, but those alone don’t make him a liberal.
No the point is
zuiko (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 4:08PM EST (link)He isn’t after any voters at all. He is after a guy he can trick into doing his bidding. Then when it blows up, it’ll be “bipartisan.” He needs McCain to block fillibusters. That’s why he is buddying up with him. It has nothing to do with moderates, conservatives, or liberals. And everything to do with McCain.
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman
5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5 nt
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 12:01PM EST (link)One quibble…it’s about Obama….but he can use McCain’s sycophancy to tip the scales when things are close…Yeah it’s about McCain to McCain but ultimately it’s about Obama playing a sucker for what he can get out of him!
May I ask, did you think that Lincoln Chafee was a "centrist?"
Martin Knight (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 4:32AM EST (link)The answer would tell us whether or not the “Conservative” in your name belongs there or not.
Might I also point out ...
Martin Knight (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 4:52AM EST (link)… that folks who use terminology like “talk radio wing of the party” are usually not the types of people who have a clue on much of anything.
McCain has a Senate vote for sale and Obama
Tbone (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 8:25PM EST (link)knows his price.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Blago should broker the deal!!!
Elizabeth Christian (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:09PM EST (link)n/t
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
~Benjamin Franklin
I thought the line was "that's been established
spainishirish (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 11:29PM EST (link)and now he is negotiating the price.” Which is, of course, a grip and grin photo and eight column inches in a newspaper no one reads any longer but the witless and the clueless believe is still the hub of the universe.
McCain is cheap. A sit-down with Wolf Blitzer is enough to buy his vote.
Martin Knight (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 4:35AM EST (link)And you just know that Obama can have that arranged any time he wants.
McCain et al are suckers and don't even know it!
stang (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 9:00PM EST (link)Obama and the Dems are, and have been, playing them like fiddles. They are so intent on maintaining their senatorial sinecures and so devoid of anything resembling character, they haven’t even noticed.
If Obama was consulting with, say Tom Coburn, I’d feel a little better about things.
“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”
John Locke
I view it differently.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 12:34PM EST (link)It’s so hard to be in the position of Senator McCain after losing the election last November.
If McCain shows his strong opposition against Obama at this early, the MSM and more than half of the people will find it “SOUR GRAPING”.
In the case of this diary, if McCain shows his support to Obama at this early stage, the conservatives will consider it as “SYCOPHANCY”.
If he stays “silent” up to this stage, MSM and many of us may surmise that McCain is still grieving (with some elements of denial) from his loss and is now becoming an OLD, frenzy, half-wit politician.
But we need to learn some tricks of the dems from the last 8 years. After a “very bitter” loss of Al Gore, the dems (except for some very vocal ones) hid (although unsuccessfully) their “ANGER” and “PLAN for REVENGE” against Bush and the Republican Party. Remember that they showed their “fake” support of Bush especially during the 9/11. But look at their next steps. Every single move of the Bush Administration after 9/11 were challenged by the dems using all kinds of media and outreach. That’s how they succeeded.
Thus, I find it “too early” for our conservative leaders to show their “TRUE OPPOSITION” of the Obama Regime. After all, Obama’s still in his DAY 1 at the office. Timing of attack is very essential in this case.
With respect to McCain, we will only certainly know whether or not he has turned out to be a ‘sycophant” a few months later. Who knows? He may later take the role of the main FISCALIZER of the Obama Administration (I pray).
It is , Sir , never to early to show principles and character
olsmithie (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 5:12PM EST (link)Regards
I dunno
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 3:40AM EST (link)but we can use these “aberration” of some of our conservative/republican leaders later…. especially when Obama Administration reaches the so-called “BLAME GAME” stage in the future.
At that time, no one from the Obama’s administration can blame us (Reps/Cons) that we have never truly supported him especially for the sake of National security and economic recovery.
I, for one, lauded GWH when, in a press conference together with Obama and other living ex-presidents, he unequivocally stated:
“We want to you (Obama) to succeed… democrat and republican alike”.
That’s a good starting point for us showing that Republican Party is not egoistical maniacs when it comes to power. We truly care for the welfare of America as whole.
BUT as we proceed, of course, WE MUST ACT AS FISCALIZING AGENT of this incompetent new Administration.
We really need to communicate our principles and ideals to the People in a “positive way”. We have had enough of NEGATIVES.
Very choppy waters we are swimming in
olsmithie (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 2:54PM EST (link)and Mac helped put himself and us there, but there is little profit in dwelling there.
“We must pick our selves up, dust our selves off, and start all over, again…”
As you say “communicate our principles and ideals to the People. ” I fear we have really fallen down on that task.
Moving on.
Regards
Don't kid yourself---McCain RELISHES being a maverick and sticking it to conservatives
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 5:24PM EST (link)He is never happier when doing so.
Just take the Hillary Clinton nomination as an example. Imagine instead that her last name was Bush instead of Clinton. Visualize the glee in his eyes as he makes a principled stand for clean government.
I really really really really really want McCain to be primaried. A Blue Dog democrat would cause far less damage in the Senate as currently consituted
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
need more appropriate spelling... McCANE (nt)
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 5:38PM EST (link)Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”
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Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
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Hogwash Rod.
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 6:01PM EST (link)McCain should go in his office and just shut the hell up. Better would have been to follow Bob Dole’s model and resign to run, but that would have shown a level of integrity that is woefully absent in McCain.
And face it, John McCain is now and always has been a sycophant. His record is firmly intact, he’s never done anything that didn’t get him “nice-nice” face time on Sunday and good props from the NYT OpEd page and he’s not going to start now.
Rod Patrick- I think you are dreaming
Scope (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 7:22PM EST (link)To give McCain a chance is like wising to the stars. Has he not already, many times shown who he sides with? Now the latest and greatest from the MSM is “the Mac is back.” And, yes yes they now will cover him again because, well, he is back to his positions against most things conservative and republican. He is back in the news which his ego needs to survive.
McCain was a key factor in making the Bush tax cuts time-limited
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 9:25AM EST (link)So if Obama raises taxes by letting the Bush tax cuts expire, we can thank McCain for that “gem” of a contribution as well.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Read my lips - "More new taxes"
izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 9:31AM EST (link)Will be Obama’s epitaph.
“Here lays Barack Hussein Obama – our 44th President.
He broke all barriers of race, religion and reality.
He oversaw the biggest expansion of government that
the world has ever seen. He turned what once was a
thriving capitalist society into the biggest failed
socialist experiment on the face of the globe.
Obama will always be remembered for the famous
words that begin the downfall of America –
“Read My Lips – More New Taxes”
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
McCain is Obama's #1 Senate Ally
Scope (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 7:35PM EST (link)and he will screw the Republicans yet again, and again, and again. Heard that hubris will be Obama’s downfall. I agree, but it will also be McCain’s.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/maccain_obama_allies/2009/01/23/174580.html
He is an old washed up War Hero that has far outlived his usefulness, he is now as dangerous as the same Dems appointed by Obama that he would also have appointed. Anyone who doesn’t believe he will go even farther to the left, now in his twilight years is nothing more than an 11th Commandement Republican, and there are far to many of them for hope for the future of the party. That is unless the toilet gets flushed.