More nuclear option. A lot more


The more I read about fast reactors, the more I like. From a Q&A with a science writer:

Most existing nuclear power plants, including all the ones operating in the US, are of a type known as a thermal reactor, they use slower neutrons. But there’s another type of nuclear reaction useful for generating power that uses faster neutrons. We’ll call those types “fast reactors”. The concerns with existing thermal reactors can be grouped into several categories, and here’s how fast reactors compare side-by-side in each.

1. Thermal reactors use expensive fuel like uranium — often mined at great cost from unstable countries which puts us in a similar bind as foreign oil — and produce nuclear waste which remains dangerous for thousands of years. Storage of that waste is either expensive, temporary, or haphazard depending on the nation in question.

Fast reactors could power this country for decades using that same waste as fuel. Fast reactors also happen to be about 100 times more efficient in converting that radioactive mass into electrical energy than thermal reactors, meaning they use relatively less fuel over time. Moreover, the waste from some types of fast reactors decays safely away in a matter of decades, making storage a far less worrisome and way less expensive proposition. And if we include the depleted uranium (DU) left over from the enrichment process, it would be something like 700 years before any more mining would be needed, once the current “thermal” types of reactors have been phased out. At the current price of energy, the existing DU alone is worth trillions in kilowatts and dollars. Nevertheless, for now, the DOE currently plans to mix the existing DU into concrete, making it rather inaccessible for use as fuel. Fast reactors would take care of that waste while providing power in the process.

2. Thermal reactors can melt down and poison the environment. Case in point, Chernobyl.

Let’s clear up one misunderstanding: a nuclear power malfunction won’t result in a city-sized mushroom cloud, and the type of reactor that caught fire at Chernobyl will never be built again. Nowadays, designs exist that will prevent that from happening even under complete power failures, inner core breaches, or suicide truck bombs for that matter (And keep in mind that a well placed bomb in the wall of a big hydroelectric dam would handily threaten lives and property, too). Chernobyl did not have those new features, plus it was a poorly designed, graphite-moderated reactor. Even then it took egregious human error and utter jaw-dropping negligence to initiate the failure. New generation fast reactors do have those design features. And it should be noted that tens of thousands of people suffer or die every year from the effects of coal, from mining accidents to exposure to toxic substances and pollutants. Nuclear sounds scary, especially for those of us who grew up with the specter of WW3 looming overhead. But even with Chernobyl and other accidents factored in, nuclear power has a far better safety record overall than traditional fuels and power plants.

3. Nuclear power plants can aid in the development of nuclear weapons.

To a degree, yes, although it isn’t quite as simple as that. But the kind of fuel used in and the waste produced by fast reactors doesn’t lend itself any better to weapons grade research or production than thermal reactors. Besides, the nations that would do the most good from a global pollutant standpoint by using fast reactors instead of fossil fuels are the US, China, and India. None of those nations need fast reactors to develop nukes, all three already have plenty of nukes.

4. Replacing a significant portion of our grid using fast reactors would be expensive and take a long time.

Maintaining and defending oil supply lines stretched halfway across the world isn’t exactly cheap. And we’re not necessarily talking about ‘replacing’ anytime soon; we’re talking about building fast reactors in the future instead of building a bunch more plants that burn coal, oil, and gas. Most importantly, the US is extremely well equipped to improve and innovate when it comes to nuclear power. We invented it, we lead in it. It happens that we have a superior fast reactor design in mind called an Integral Fast Reactor (IFR). The IFR concept has several advantages over other kinds of fast reactors, which are in turn superior to thermal reactors in part for the reasons stated above.

In fact, it makes so much sense to build a prototype fast reactor it was already proposed and funded. But whereas India is already moving ahead with plans to develop fast reactor technology, and the Chinese have purchased two Russian BN-800 fast reactors, the Clinton-Gore administration killed the prototype US IFR in 1994 years before completion. The concept has yet to be seriously revisited, let alone refunded.

To recap:
– We have available technology that eats nuclear waste,
– which means we won’t need more uranium for over half a millennia,
– which means we are sitting on a gold mine of untapped stored energy,
– AND we won’t need Yucca Mountain for waste storage,
– AND this technology generates power 100 times more efficiently than existing nuclear reactors,
– AND fast reactors add virtually no CO2 to the atmosphere.
– AND the technology is safe.

What am I missing here? Why are we not pursuing this alternative more aggressively? Maybe someone else in the Obama administration has a different answer, but the answer I’ve heard so far is…

I asked him to describe the Obama administration’s position on nuclear power, which has been murky.

“We’re thinking,” he said.

Or perhaps the better word is dithering. The thing is, all this time and money and energy is being spent on capping and reducing CO2 emissions, topped with IPCC reports and Gore documentaries and capntrade, yet here is a technology that can slash CO2 emissions. Seriously, what am I missing here?


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A country that has achieved a medieval level of ignorance and superstition

Achance (Diary) Monday, December 7th at 3:40AM EST (link)

ain’t gonna’ let any Black Magic like nuclear reactors happen. Just the way it is.

In Vino Veritas

Art, easy on the medievals

CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Monday, December 7th at 4:18AM EST (link)

As inconsistently as they applied the diminishing residue of their intellectual and revealed inheritance, there remained a category in their minds which at least admitted the possibility of an objective-historical reality which could be quite unanswerable to their own desires, perceptions and speculations.

Post-Kant? Heh.

Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)

soli Deo gloria

Well, there is truth there, Cinco. The Medievals

Achance (Diary) Monday, December 7th at 4:29AM EST (link)

didn’t deny what they saw with their eyes, though they, too, were susceptible to having their observation “explained” by priests. That’s what we really have now, a priesthood that stands between people and truth. I’m kinda wanting to nail something to a door denying the authority of those priests to stand between me and truth.

In Vino Veritas

If Monk Martin had started with 95 Tweets

CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Monday, December 7th at 4:58AM EST (link)

the Reformation as we know it would have been over about 8 minutes later.

Back to the OP, any inside take on the tech and/or cost side of this, or its impact on Alaska?

Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)

soli Deo gloria

Alaska could use small nuke plants like the Mitsubishi

Achance (Diary) Monday, December 7th at 5:20AM EST (link)

one that seems to have been vaporware. Once you get out of the so-called Railbelt from Seward to Anchorage to Fairbanks, the population is so sparse and the distances so great that there is no grid. Consequently, each town and village has its own discrete diesel powered electric generation plant operated at exorbitant cost per kwh even with heavy State subsidies.

Even here in Southeast Alaska where hydro is abundant, sparse populations, great distances, and large bodies of water make interties difficult or impossible. For example, here in Juneau, we have hydro from a plant a few miles south of town. It provides power for a grid that runs about forty miles out the road and in Juneau proper; like most of SE Alaska, Juneau is long and narrow with water on one side and steep mountainsides on the other. Even though the hydro plant has plenty of capacity, the cost and difficulty of distribution makes it solely Juneau’s system. The next town is eighty miles up Lynn Canal or sixty miles across Stephens Passage and Icy Straits. The one up Lynn Canal takes all new surface construction along a steep and rocky fjord and the other one takes an underwater cable system; ain’t happening for the kind of populations we have here, so both those towns will continue to burn diesel. Avalanches knock out the lines from the hydro plant and we here in JNU run on diesel from time to time; nothing like multiplying your electric bill by four or five with no warning!

Out west and in the Arctic, the distances are even greater and while you don’t have open water, you have permafrost and it is very, very expensive to build on permafrost. Only big projects can have anything like permanence on permafrost, e.g., the Pipeline and a few government-owned buildings. Most like the Pipeline use ammonia cycle refrigeration to keep pilings frozen and the structure is built on those pilings. If a structure doesn’t have refrigerated pilings or some similar foundation system, it melts the permafrost over time and just sinks into the ground. Because of this, every pole costs tens of thousands of dollars or has to be replaced in two or three years and there is no connectivity between the villages; each one has its diesel system and provides power for a few hundred people at great cost.

In Vino Veritas

Thanks, and the question below is for you as well -nt-

CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Monday, December 7th at 5:38AM EST (link)

Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)

soli Deo gloria

 
 
 
 
 
 

Thanks for details ... I was also wondering

CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Monday, December 7th at 5:36AM EST (link)

about long-term econ impact if–total hypo in your eyes I know–if the fast reactors actually did go into production and employment down here?

Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)

soli Deo gloria