attempting to ban something (which is your Liberal mangling of the language, preventing you and your ilk from shoving these new Laws/Rights that don’t/hadn’t existed isn’t BANNING, it is blocking/preventing) that hasn’t existed is troublesome to you…. but creating a “Right” out of something that hadn’t existed in this Nation for 200 years is just OK and no need in explaining/defending the ODDBALL notion is somehow supposed to be the norm in your mind.

Moe Lane

In other words, whether Warren’s words were clear or not, we know what he meant because our minds are made up. We don’t care if it is right or wrong, we agree with him no matter how he presents his argument.

Fair enough. It’s your treehouse. I see that even though Warren appeals to world culture, it does not actually concern anyone else, here. You do not take it as a serious argument, so there’s no need for me to debunk it.

I will, in good faith, step out. Management, ban me if you would like. I do hope some of you will – in good faith – click on those links and explore the AAA’s position on the issue. As I said, I’m merely trying to offer facts, so there’s no reason for you to feed the troll.

Thank you for the chance to talk to you. I wish I had gained more from this conversation, and I hope you will take this chance to explore the AAA website. I assure you, you will learn something interesting if you give anthropology a chance.

There. How’s that for good faith, management? Respectful and no profanity!

P.S. While I’m away, feel free to use Godwin’s Law against me.

“Same-sex marriage DOES exist in at least two known and recorded instances in human history: among certain Native American tribes and one particular group in Africa.”

Scientists do things through unbiased experimentation.

What experimental design did you use? How did you define you data? How did you collect your data? How did you conduct your data gathering?

Do you really have statistical tabulation on a yearly basis in the last 5,000 years or 200,000 years? What’s the percentage of those cultures that didn’t (and haven’t) tolerate or practice gay marriage? What conclusion have you made based on your statistics?

Is “gay marriage” a very common thing or its existence in some cultures (past and present) are just exception in general?

Please answer it honestly (and don’t lie to your common sense).

SOMETIMES, THERE’S NO NEED FOR US TO MAKE EXPERIMENTAL OR STATISTICAL ANALYSIS BECAUSE THE ANSWER TO OUR INQUIRE IS ALREADY VERY EVIDENT!!!!

Nearly every “law” in Natural Science has an exception even the so-called “exact” and mathematically expressed Laws of “Physical Sciences”.

You might have only found that there are several exceptions to Warren’s generalization on gay marriage. But that doesn’t make Warren’s statement an outright LIE. His statement is obviously “GENERALLY” TRUE.

FURTHER, Conservatism is adherence to natural science and natural law, if you must know.

You may find their use of “civilization” a bit exclusive, but the idea is that if you’re going to base your positions on what other people have done, you might as well exclude the people who don’t share your values system and have nothing in common with your system of government or society.

Again, I’m trying to offer facts in good faith. If you’d like to argue that anthropologists are wrong, that their research is somehow invalid, I am in no position to deny that.

Seems to me that if you we’re offering facts rather than conjecture you would be in a great position to deny that. Facts are a stubborn thing after all.

I’d note that many conservatives have ceded half of the argument. They’re willing to accept domestic partnerships or civil unions, but want to reserve the word “marriage” for one man and one woman.

Neither I nor Warren referred to civilization, however. This is talking about culture. It is possible I misheard Warren. Did he say civilization?

Well, even so, yes. Native Americans did build cities. So did Africans.

/shrug

However, Warren and Huckabee both invoked WORLD tradition. Their point was that no only Western civilization, but ALL civilization supports “traditional marriage.” As you yourself point out, this is a terrible argument.

So, you and I agree – Warren’s appeal to world culture has no bearing on our own issue here in America. Now, why would you boot me for that?