My Thanksgiving offer to Glenn Beck


I like Glenn Beck and I agree with him almost all the time, especially on the economy and on Obama’s czars. BUT…the fake quotes of George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and others have to go. A fake quote was cited again on yesterday’s “Black Friday” show.

MY THANKSGIVING OFFER TO GLENN BECK: I am a consultant to the Oxford English Dictionary and a conributor to The Yale Book of Quotations. I will research quotations FREE of charge. Heck, I’ll PAY YOU to research quotations free of charge. I have written to your personal website (me@glennbeck.com) and your Fox News website (glennbeck@foxnews.com) many times.

Yesterday’s “Black Friday” show repeated an October 13th clip with Charles Payne. A quote was attributed to “Alexander Tyler,” allegedly from 1787. A simple check on Wikiquote and/or Google shows that the quote–misattributed to Alexander Tytler–actually first appears in 1943.

Others are noticing.

From Charles Murray’s November 19th entry on The Enterprise Blog, “The unbearable Paradox on Glenn Beck“:

About six weeks ago, I engaged in an exchange about Glenn Beck, arguing that he makes it harder to convert the unsaved to the cause of limited government, and got an earful in return, mostly in the form of thoughtful but forceful emails saying I hadn’t given him a chance. So I set up my Tivo to record his show and have spent many cocktail hours since then watching. Last night’s opening shot encapsulates everything that has driven me nuts about the experience.

Beck was, as usual, standing in front of his blackboard. Chalked on it was:

“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.” Thomas Jefferson

It is a sentiment with which I completely agree. I’ve written whole books with that sentiment as the subtext. The problem: The quote is a fake. Thomas Jefferson never said it. Jefferson would have been sympathetic to the idea, as other writings clearly imply. But he didn’t actually say it. In front of a national television audience, Glenn Beck put up a quote that his researchers would have discovered is a fake if they had done the slightest bit of Googling.

I had noticed that, also.

On November 11th, I had written about this fake George Washington quote and this fake George Washington quote–two on one show!

I write to him, but there’s never any response.

Glenn Beck’s show is changing for 2010 as he gets even more political. It’s a fight for the very future of the republic. I agree that both Democrats and Republicans got us into the insolvent position we now find ourselves.

These minor things take away from the message. They don’t have to. I’ll work for free! I’ll PAY YOU to work for free! Whatever money you want to charge me–I just want to get things right.

You can’t beat that!


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What "thankful" offer?

Veronica (Diary) Saturday, November 28th at 3:41PM EST (link)

Popik,

You and Beck (and Olbermann, as I’ve read in Charles Murray’s “The Unbearable Paradox of Glenn Beck” in Enterprise Blog) are all propagandists — persons who stoke the heated embers of the written word to provoke and sway emotion.

The difference between you and Beck, however, is that his type of “stoking” is purposeful.

Yours isn’t.

I was expecting at least a brief, “thankful” commentary on Beck’s overall contributions to the resurgence of conservativism this year — with perhaps a backstory on his exodus from CNN to FOX and the ratings leap that ensued.

We should be thankful for Beck. He’s found a way to inspire a group of people who may not have otherwise found interest in conservative politics, and for that, I am thankful.

So what if his audience isn’t catching the accuracy of his quotes. I would prefer they spend their time considering the falsehoods and machinations of Obama and Rahm Emanual, than on whether verbiage has been correctly attributed to Jefferson or Washington. To this, I say, may Beck someday inspire someone to to discover how Obama may break with The Constitution and the writ of law.. over Beck and his inappropriate use of The Yale Book of Quotations.

From fringe groups to clueless citizens, he’s charmed his audience into becoming interested in the dangers our country faces .. and unless you want to assume that our effort to “save the republic” is dependent on a singular group of well-versed individuals with a copy of Oxford English Dictionary in their back pockets, I suggest you leave him and everyone else to their individual, meaningful contributions to the cause – much like the editors of Redstate have left you to post your little diatribes.

So, chill man.

And thanks .. I haven’t tuned into Beck in awhile. I’m interested in seeing what he’s been up to.

PS I would call a quote “fake” when it has been correctly attributed to someone else, no? .. not when the verdict is still out. But, that’s my opinion, as I, like Beck, am no Presidential scholar.

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Pray as if everything depends on God, and work as if everything depends on us. – St. Augustine

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Charles Murray and I agree with Beck 95% of the time.

barrypopik (Diary) Saturday, November 28th at 9:03PM EST (link)

I watch Glenn Beck all the time. He’s very entertaining. I agree with most of his positions. Again, this is not about that.

“Propagandist?” I’m a quotations scholar. This isn’t about political philosophy. It’s about being careless and sloppy when you don’t have to be.

Whether you’re on the right or on the left, you can’t continually misquote George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Ronald Reagan–you get the idea. Anyone who does this, I call them on it.

Beck continually calls for citizen involvement. I’ve tried to tell him many times that he can run the quotes by me–for free–before they air. I get requests from people in the media all the time about word and phrases–the Chicago Tribune and the Philadelphia Inquirer are two recent contacts.

>>”So what if his audience isn’t catching the accuracy of his quotes. I would prefer they spend their time considering the falsehoods and machinations of Obama and Rahm Emanual, than on whether verbiage has been correctly attributed to Jefferson or Washington.”<>PS I would call a quote “fake” when it has been correctly attributed to someone else, no? .. not when the verdict is still out. But, that’s my opinion, as I, like Beck, am no Presidential scholar.<<

Most of the writings of the founding fathers are now electronically searchable. There is a Thomas Jefferson Encyclopedia with entries on several of these bogus quotes. When the Thomas Jefferson Encyclopedia says that the quote is not found in any of Thomas Jefferson’s writings and is first cited from 1986, you just can’t go on the air and tell three million people that Jefferson said it.

I encourage anyone to relay my offer to Glenn Beck.

My dentist doesn’t work for free. My kid’s pediatrician doesn’t work for free. My plumber doesn’t work for free. My tax accountant doesn’t work for free. Our real estate agent didn’t sell our home for free.

I work for free.

It’s a pretty good offer!

 
 

I am thankful that Glenn Beck has made more Americans....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, November 28th at 9:33PM EST (link)

curious about their Founding Fathers and the Constitution. I constantly am amazed at the number of people who are truly interested in something that had been DEAD & HIDDEN from view via the school system being brought back to life. I appreciate your offer to Beck and of course I would like him to be correct 100% of the time especially with fact checkers being paid to be correct however I certainly am not going to beat the man up because he has had THREE mistakes because the reality is his competitors and the LEFTISTS which of course are one in the same actually LIE on a daily basis. They don’t make mistakes they ACTUALLY LIE to their viewers.

So the bottom line for this Conservative is I will take an error over a LIE any day of the week and THANK YOU Glenn Beck for awaking a sleeping giant to the Constitution!

"They don’t make mistakes they ACTUALLY LIE to their viewers." (I agree.)

barrypopik (Diary) Saturday, November 28th at 10:00PM EST (link)

I agree. The mainstream media doesn’t report on things, and overreports on others. They have a double standard when it comes to conservatives and to those they deem “politically correct.”

Again, this is not about that!

Beck misquoted George Washington on the “battlefield of ideas” in at least three shows. I’ve written to Beck’s show again and again. He keeps repeating something George Washington never said. It’s more than one or two or three mistakes. If he’s going to use quotations, he needs better assistants.

Someone’s gotta tell him that he can get everything correct–no charge!

FYI, Fred Shapiro and my other colleagues are in today’s New York Times on the true origins of the “Serenity Prayer.”

We do this stuff well. Why not use us?

How ABSOLUTELY PATHETICALLY bored....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, November 28th at 10:40PM EST (link)

in life must your colleague be to actually attempt to discredit where the Serenity Prayer originated? I mean to a lay person such as myself I think idiot and secondarily I think overpaid bored elite.

I mean its not like WE don’t have the government of the United States of America attempting to subvert the very Constitution upon which WE were founded each and every day under the banner of liberalism now is it? oh no….a pathetically bored elite decides well damn I don’t believe that was written by whom it is credited it to….now I understand the very apt saying “fiddling while Rome burns”.

Just curious when you all sit around and chat do your brains hurt from overuse?

 
 
 

ALSO FYI: The fake Rush Limbaugh quotes.

barrypopik (Diary) Saturday, November 28th at 10:53PM EST (link)

I’ll use the recent fake Rush Limbaugh quote controversy as an example. People made up stuff that Rush had never said.

Every word that Rush says on his program is recorded–Media Matters is constantly checking. These weren’t simply misquotations–this was done with actual malice. Rush should have sued everybody!

I wrote a devastating letter to the editor to my local Austin (TX) American-Statesman. It was not printed. I also wrote a comment directly on the Statesman’s website.

I wrote a letter directly to the newspaper’s editor in chief, stating that the Statesman sorely needs conservative voices as well as factual correctness. The editor in chief wrote back a brief “Thank you for your thoughts”–not great, but something.

The Statesman’s opinion writer had come late to the Limbaugh fake quote controversy. Limbaugh is alive (unlike our founding fathers) and had specifically denied saying the quotes on a Monday show. It was beyond incompetent for the Statesman to print the fake quotes on Wednesday! A pathetic Friday “my bad!” hardly sufficed. Plus, Rush had used a “We need segregated buses!” statement in irony that this Statesman dimwit stood by as a straight, legitimate quote.

The left does this fake quote business all the time and they do it maliiciously. I’ve called them on it.

I offer my services to anybody who wants to get things right.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Its kewl dude, I personally was just tweaking you because...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, November 28th at 11:00PM EST (link)

well I love to do that with people who take issue with THREE mistakes on a guys program who like Rush is being recorded on TV and radio each and every second looking for something to beat the crap out of Beck with and I just DESPISE liberals so I don’t EVER want to feed them something ie: YOUR DIARY to go prancing across the internet saying “see” , “see”.

I think you have offered your services and that is nice and I sincerely think he should take them HOWEVER I say that with a canard because IF you are like your associate you just MIGHT be wrong with your information as he was on the Serenity Prayer…..NO ONE is EVER 100% correct though I suspect those in your field of expertise BELIEVE they are!

Yes. No one is 100% right. Even Rush is only right 99.5% of the time.

gekster (Diary) Saturday, November 28th at 11:50PM EST (link)

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

Do you realize that by Rush being "only right 99.5%" of the time...

conservativemusician Sunday, November 29th at 12:17AM EST (link)

That he is more accurate in his views than a bar of Ivory soap is pure (99.44%) ? Something to think about…;-)

That was good. I didn't notice that one.

gekster (Diary) Sunday, November 29th at 12:30AM EST (link)

He was chugging along at 98.4%, but after the global warming hoax, he made his biggest jump I’ve seen to date.
And listening to Rush will make you cleaner than Ivory ever could.
Thanks for pointing that out.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

 
 
 
 
 

I agree.

itrytobenice (Diary) Saturday, November 28th at 10:55PM EST (link)

Beck is a great voice for conservative thought. But sloppiness detracts from his message. More care is warranted.

Proper grammar saves lives.

Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.


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