They Cannot Put Us All In Jail: So Do NOT Feel Helpless!


Various RedState members have in the last hours expressed fear and helplessness in the face of the rolling snowball of MAObama’s Hell-th Care Bill.

If it passes, and if the illegality of its passage is declared – improbably – constitutional, and if the FedGov attempts to enforce this monstrosity, you – an American – are not helpless!!!

Because every philosopher and patriot and soldier of freedom – from Epaminondas of Thebes through Charles Martel, Don JuanJohn Locke, and Abraham Lincoln to Ludwig Von Mises and our troops in Afghanistan – every one of them would affirm from Heaven above that you would then have the right to stand up and refuse to obey such a monstrosity, and to rebel if necessary against the government!

This is our great Western Tradition, which started when average Athenians rebelled against the dictator Isagoras who was supported by Spartan troops, and drove them out of their city.  Although that happened 2500 years ago, we still bear their torch of freedom!  Or at least we are supposed to bear their torch!

We cannot let cowardly mediocrities like  B. Obama, N. Pelosi, H. Reid, and the other pusillanimous villains make us feel helpless!  We would be disgracing those Athenians who crawled up the rocks of the Acropolis to preserve their freedom.  We would be disgracing every American who has fallen for freedom from Lexington and Concord to Afghanistan today.

If this is the first step in a grab for dictatorial power, remember this: if we are brave, they cannot put us all in jail. If enough of us refuse to become or to remain sheep, and at the same time protest this attempt at dictatorship with a rubber-stamp Congress, we will preserve our Constitution and our freedom to live without a nanny-state micromanaging our lives!

And the odds that our police are unthinking robots, who would follow orders to enforce such a monstrosity, are – I believe firmly – very low.

So, no American should ever feel helpless!  We have too many examples before us to forbid such feelings!


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Well said, Ausonius.

penguin2 (Diary) Saturday, March 13th at 7:54PM EST (link)

Though things look bleak, even if we have to fight back in some way, we will at least be doing something. I think that is where the anxious mental state is coming from in all of this; the sense of powerlessness and helplessness we have.

Even the brave that have died in heroic battles, died fighting. As long as we are fighting ( and I don’t necessarily mean literally) we are seeking to win a battle, a war.

Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. – Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. – Vassar Bushmills

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Your Benjamin Franklin Quote

Ausonius (Diary) Saturday, March 13th at 8:35PM EST (link)

is precisely the one which we need to remember this week, and possibly into the future.

Evil – even mediocre evil – sometimes wins. Sometimes the “Good Guys” fail, as I have detailed in various essays here at RedState.

When Good fails to win against Evil, it simply means that too many people did nothing, or falsely believed that surrendering to Evil would somehow not be so awful.

I could be wrong, but I have a suspicion that we will not see a majority of Americans surrendering to this pack of sniveling, sneaking weasels, and yes, I know that’s an insult to all sniveling, sneaking weasels . :)

Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.

Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.

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You're right ausonius, we won't see Americans surrender.

nessa (Diary) Saturday, March 13th at 8:53PM EST (link)

Our backs are against the wall, American’s don’t surrender, especially in a situation like this. I’d like to suggest one more quote that belongs with this diary:

“…with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

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Compare what we're going through to the "long train of abuses" of our Founders:

ColdWarrior (Diary) Saturday, March 13th at 9:08PM EST (link)

We are getting the government we deserve through our collective apathy and laziness when it comes to actual participation in party politics. (I’m guilty as charged up through 2008, but no more.)

http://archives.gov/exhibits/charters/print_friendly.html?page=declaration_transcript_content.html&title=NARA%20|%20The%20Declaration%20of%20Independence%3A%20A%20Transcription

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions indicated:

Column 1
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton

Column 2
North Carolina:
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton

Column 3
Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton

Column 4
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean

Column 5
New York:
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark

Column 6
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Massachusetts:
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
New Hampshire:
Matthew Thornton

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The real question is whether we have the will to spend a few hours a month UNITING within the Republican Party at our local GOP meetings where we can learn how to become voting members of the Party. If so, we may take our Party, and then our government, back. If no, well, things will have to get much worse, I guess, before enough of us decide it’s time to ACT.

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A Country Founded On Opposition To Oppression

Ausonius (Diary) Saturday, March 13th at 9:38PM EST (link)

You may be right: Americans might have become too coddled by the Nanny State’s inroads and its massaging of our daily lives, worried about whether we use our seat belts, whether we eat too much, whether we exercise enough, whether we have retirement plans, whether our children are chewing on Chinese toys, etc. etc. etc.

We will soon determine whether a country founded on opposition to oppression, and specifically taxation without representation, which is PRECISELY what we see with a Hell-th Care bill proposal that our representatives will NOT be voting on, if their plot is carried through, can rediscover the will to resist a new oppression from within, to destroy this attempt at dictatorship, and to preserve freedom.

Many Thanks to all for the comments!

Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.

Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.

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Cold Warrior on that timeline it's 1775.

nessa (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 12:05AM EST (link)

A few months ago I reckoned it to be 1773, but things are moving quickly. The Slaughter Rule, such a blatant flaunting of the Constitution, all to pass this hostile takeover of a bill has surpassed the Intolerable Acts.

On your timeline it is April 19th, 1775 and we are shoulder to shoulder watching the sun rise over the Lexington green. Our mouths are dry and words won’t form on our lips as we watch the British Troops, with fixed bayonets advance upon us. Only today it was Obama rather than Gage who sent Nancy and her force of socialists to bring us to heel and take our liberty rather than our powder and ammunition.

The vote next week, like that fateful morning in Massachusetts, will be “the shot heard ’round the world.”

This shot, unlike its predecessor, does not come from the barrel of a Brown Bess and the bayonets the democrats have fixed, while they will slash and thrust, are not forged of steel. Our response will not come from a Pennsylvania rifle and when it’s over only careers and agendas will lie dead and bleeding upon the fields of battle. Our weapons will be our voices, our phones, the deadly projectiles we launch will be our faithful elected representatives, our States, our Supreme Court and the laws, not the men that rule this land. Our response must also contain well planned and executed civil disobedience, it is our very way of life we are forced to defend.

Before the end of May 1775 the first Continental Congress formed the Continental Army and sent it to assist the Massachusetts Militia besieging Boston. Our siege of Boston will be stopping Obamacare, but the fight will continue. November will see Nancy, Harry and the Democrats withdraw from DC, as the British withdrew from Boston in March 1776. Then the intensity will increase, there will be no furloughs or the end of our troop’s enlistments, one election will not end this war.

The American Revolution did not end till 1783 and the Treaty of Paris recognized our sovereignty. This one won’t end till our sovereignty is once again intact and preserved for our posterity rather than being squandered and sabotaged for the pursuit of a corrupt utopian dream.

As I suggested in another thread here today, to this effort I am not alone when I “pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

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By your timeline Cold Warrior, it's 1775.

nessa (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 12:08AM EST (link)

A few months ago I reckoned it to be 1773, but things are moving quickly. The Slaughter Rule, such a blatant flaunting of the Constitution, all to pass this hostile takeover of a bill has surpassed the Intolerable Acts.

On your timeline it is April 19th, 1775 and we are shoulder to shoulder watching the sun rise over the Lexington green. Our mouths are dry and words won’t form on our lips as we watch the British Troops, with fixed bayonets advance upon us. Only today it was Obama rather than Gage who sent Nancy and her force of socialists to bring us to heel and take our liberty rather than our powder and ammunition.

The vote next week, like that fateful morning in Massachusetts, will be “the shot heard ’round the world.”

This shot, unlike its predecessor, does not come from the barrel of a Brown Bess and the bayonets the democrats have fixed, while they will slash and thrust, are not forged of steel. Our response will not come from a Pennsylvania rifle and when it’s over only careers and agendas will lie dead and bleeding upon the fields of battle. Our weapons will be our voices, our phones, the deadly projectiles we launch will be our faithful elected representatives, our States, our Supreme Court and the laws, not the men that rule this land. Our response must also contain well planned and executed civil disobedience, it is our very way of life we are forced to defend.

Before the end of May 1775 the first Continental Congress formed the Continental Army and sent it to assist the Massachusetts Militia besieging Boston. Our siege of Boston will be stopping Obamacare, but the fight will continue. November will see Nancy, Harry and the Democrats withdraw from DC, as the British withdrew from Boston in March 1776. Then the intensity will increase, there will be no furloughs or the end of our troop’s enlistments, one election will not end this war.

The American Revolution did not end till 1783 and the Treaty of Paris recognized our sovereignty. This one won’t end till our sovereignty is once again intact and preserved for our posterity rather than being squandered and sabotaged for the pursuit of a corrupt utopian dream.

As i suggested on another thread today, to this effort I and millions of other Americans will gladly “pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

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nessa (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 12:11AM EST (link)

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

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Actually, the bill explicitly prohibits jail.

Menlo (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 12:36AM EST (link)

In terms of the mandate, the bill prohibits them from putting a person in jail or having his or her property taken for refusing to pay the “penalty.” That’s one of many reasons no federal judge will give it the time of day.

You can bet I’ll be on the bandwagon to refuse to buy insurance, and if enough people publicized and joined a movement to do so, the whole system Democrats put in place could collapse. I cannot understand why large groups of people have not suggested doing such a thing. The Republicans in Congress ought to be advising it!

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

 

Rule by Socialist Bureaucracy vs. Rule As A Republic

Ausonius (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 8:58AM EST (link)

An article – and promotional blurb – on Rasmussen’s research into self-governance shows the debate from a different angle:

See:

http://newsmax.com/Morris/ScottRasmussen-InSearchofSelfGovernance-barackobama/2010/02/24/id/350740

An excerpt:

“He begins his short, easily readable book by debunking the myth that big business wants a free market without government regulation.

Instead, he points out, they want to use government intervention — through regulations and the tax code — to assure their continued overbearing size and dominance.

When Philip Morris, or Altria in its new incarnation, supported FDA regulation of tobacco in order to guarantee its current market domination, we all saw an illustration of how right Rasmussen is.

But the new dimension of Rasmussen’s book is that he discusses how thoroughly Americans do, in fact, govern themselves.

Faced with the possible collapse of the Social Security system under the weight of retiring baby boomers, they plan to fund their own retirements.

Facing technological changes and global competition, they go back to school and upgrade their skills. They do not see the public sector as the place to get relief.

They prefer to work it out on their own.

Rasmussen’s treatise raises the question of whether self-reliance is indeed universal. Are we not becoming more like an Eastern European country where those who are employed by the private sector vote for free markets while a coalition of the unemployed, the retired, students, and government workers sustain liberals in power?”

If a majority really still prefers to work it out on their own, then we have a chance to stop the BIG BRObama agenda.

Thus we must organize to act against this “coalition of the unemployed, etc.” lest we become “like an Eastern European country” !

Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.

Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.

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NO

daconia (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 9:40AM EST (link)

My answer to them is NO:

1. I will refuse to buy mandated insurance.
2. I will refuse to pay any fine for not buying.
3. I will refuse to cooperate in any way with any agency involved in this cow pie legislation. (any of you from the countryside know what a cow pie is)
4. In fact, I am leaning toward the idea of refusing to cooperate with this government in any way.

I am willing to stand with you.

Mrs. Ausonius Is Confident

Ausonius (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 10:46AM EST (link)

that if any of this “deemed passed” but not really “passed-by-voting” legislation is signed “into law,” (sorry for al the ironic Chris Farley quotation marks), that even the Leftists on the Supreme Court will be willing to strike it down.

I am not so sure, but hope that she is – like eternal optimist Dan Perrin – correct about all this, and that the Dems’ unnatural Frankenstein’s monster of detritus will be stake-through-the heart-silver-bullet dead!

Daconia and Vassar and Others: Many thanks for the sentiments and compliments! :)

Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.

Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.

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I hope this makes the Recco "list" Ausonius.

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 10:11AM EST (link)

I told DeVine yesterday all the recco list by tommorrw-Tue should be about thre Slaughter rule, and how to fight back…by raising the ante. I have one as well, later today
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The state of Virginia is 'nullifying'

eastbaylarry (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 11:13AM EST (link)

They have already passed legislation to ban the healthcare plan, if passed and the bill is expected to be signed into law by the governor.

http://www.thefoxnation.com/virginia/2010/03/12/virginia-oks-first-bill-banning-obamacare

2+2=4 dammit!

The fight is still in Congress, not the States

mschmitt (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 11:43AM EST (link)

While I gladly support this, focusing on nullification is taking your eye off the ball. Nullification is not the goal; and going that route is a losing gambit, since it will likely be swatted down in federal courts.

It would be very hard for Congressmen — particularly Senators (if/when reconcilliation occurs) — from a nullification State to vote for this. But it’s a bit late for all that — those State legislatures needed to move on it before Congress was poised for a vote.

usque ad finem

Is America Paying Attention to "Deem-ocrats" ?

Ausonius (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 1:03PM EST (link)

It will be interesting to see how much outrage arises – and is given publicity – as awareness of this legislative Godzillic garbage grows.

What will polls say next week, if the Dems “declare/deem” the bill passes without a real vote?

“Deem-ocrat” may be the latest and too true insult for the Obamaniacs and the Pelosians.

Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.

Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.

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