Recently several of my more talented 8th Graders were doing reports for “Current Events” in Social Studies. (I teach them Latin.) They wanted to know why the Republicans were not actively – key word, actively – promoting their message, especially on Health Care.
They knew some rudimentary things about the Dem plan, and were skeptical, perhaps repeating some of the skepticism from their parents. But they knew nothing specific about any alternatives from the Republicans. Some had gone to the GOP website, but one said the website was full of sign-up icons and money grubbing. In fact, you have to click through 4 pages to find the 2008 platform page on health care, which is not a very succinct page.
They expected to find – on page 1 – a punchy bullet-point page showing succinctly why NObama’s Hell-th Care Disaster is a disaster, and then the Conservative alternative.
No such plan appears there.
They agreed that the Republican plan needed to be easy to understand: a contrast to the 1300 + page monster proposed by the Dems. They also knew that the Dems refused to join the Hell-th Care Plan, which they thought was perhaps the strongest argument against the plan!
SO! Where are the ads from Republicans exposing the Dem hypocrisy? These 8th Graders said that TV shows which young voters watch are devoid of the Republican message. And not just on health care! Where and when will the Republicans hit NObama on e.g. abortion, on immigration, and cutting the military, they wanted to know.
When I mentioned that these things might happen closer to election time, they were unimpressed: they thought it needs to start now. When I mentioned further that people like Rush Limbaugh, etc. were spreading the message every day, they felt that the official party needed to clarify its positions, and not let the job be done through non-official surrogates.
My 8th Graders plan: short, on-target messages with the Facts.
e.g. A 30-second ad with “Fact: Democrats voted against joining their own Health Care Plan. If they want nothing to do with their own plan, why should you?” This should be reinforced with parallel ads on the Internet…and if there is any money left over, in print media.
So GOP: my 8th Graders are expecting you to hire them as advisors!
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
It's called letting the other side burn themselves out.
archer52 Tuesday, September 8th at 10:21PM EST (link)There is a saying I heard once and I’ll paraphrase it. It goes, “If you opponent is beating himself up, don’t get in the way.”
The GOP lost control of Congress for many reasons, being quiet was not one of them. If they decided to roll out their plan before the Dems were done hammering themselves with their own, it would be a mistake.
You have to understand, the second the Republicans roll out an official plan the NYT, BG, LA Times, and all of the MSM will front page any problems with it. They’ll have talking head experts railing about how silly it is, yada yada yada. The spotlight will turn to them and away from the Dems spontaneous combustion event.
Let’s let them chew on each other for awhile and see what happens. It’s like when I was a police officer and we went to a bar fight, we never got in between the combatants, that could get you hurt. We waited until they wore each other out, or one was down and then we arrested the winner.
If they pass it against the wishes of the public they might as well toss gas on themselves and light a match. Why stop that? In 2010 if the House flips back, we’ll introduce legislation to overturn the law.
Good point...but I would quibble slightly
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 12:37PM EST (link)Now isn’t necessarily the time for the GOP to attack the Dems…they’re beating themselves up pretty well themselves…and the Tea Parties are doing even better with far more credibility than the Democrats…besides…we’ve played the “Vote for the Republicans because we’re not the Democrats” game for 4 years and lost with it…
What the Republican Party needs now is to decide what it stands for…what principles it will advance…and what is it’s very reason for being….and then it needs to communicate it to the young and old alike! right now they’re doing NOTHING and it drives me nuts!
Too soon
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 10:46PM EST (link)The election isn’t for another 13 months. We can’t run *now* or people will forget. We’ll also run out of money. Heck, I don’ tthink the money’s even there yet this early for many challengers.
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My 8th Graders Reply To GOP's Lack of Money
Ausonius (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 8:05AM EST (link)You jogged a memory: I did explain that because of the loss of power the Republicans have a corresponding loss of funds, up to a point.
But one of the boys asked how much does it cost just to have counter-arguments against NObama’s Hell-th Care Plan on a good website.
Their main point (2 girls and 4 boys talented) was that worrying about the MSM was last century. Internet/high-tech methods of getting the message out should be the GOP’s main concern, and they thought it would not be expensive.
Personally I have no idea, but I would think they are right: hosting a crappy webpage probably costs the same as a good one.
I am a “both-and” kind of person: this should not be an either-or proposition. And with NObama’s numbers tanking, this is a good opportunity to show people that a Conservative message is coming from the Republicans, rather than one of compromise with liberals.
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Cheap web page? Natch!
livefreenh Wednesday, September 9th at 9:00AM EST (link)Well then I am as smart as an eighth grader. I set up a web page and made it as pretty and as convincing as I could do in an hour of hard work, just to make that point. You can click my screen name here to see it, if you are interested.
But the point is that there are plenty of smart people out there who could do at least what I have done, and why have they not? Is it an age thing? Is it generational?
Are conservatives holding on to the past in ways that don’t make sense, for example, mag tape answering machines, dial phones, protesters with signs, direct mail voter updates, fighting fair?
I’m not suggesting that we stop fighting fairly. When the Iraqi badguys started using roadside bombs to kill us, we didn’t plant roadside bombs to kill them back. Instead, we countered with technology and brains.
They use high-tech 757 aircraft and cell-phone detonators to try to kill us. We use technology to prevent it, while still respecting their human rights.
When the rabid and radical left uses high-tech (especially taxpayer funded) to prevent our right to free speech, we should use whatever technology is available in order to be heard.
We are in the 21st century (whatever that means). Let’s remember the past, but live in the present.
That Seemed To Be What These 8th Graders...
Ausonius (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 11:12AM EST (link)were saying about their examination of official GOP stuff on-line.
And how long has that GOP website been “under construction” supposedly? It seems to be taking forever!
LivefreeNH: maybe they will hire you as a free-lancer!
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Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.
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NetBoots! "Conservative Websites for $50. A Month!"
Ausonius (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 4:16PM EST (link)I don’t know if everyone receives the same ads, but at the top of my RedState page right now is an ad from “NetBoots” offering “Conservative Campaign Websites” for $50. a month.
$50!!! I would hope the Republican Central Committee could handle that! That would end their “under construction” page!
“Easy to update” too! Finally GOP page One could have a private business alternative to NObama’s Hell-th Care nonsense.
Of course, the ad does say the service is for CONSERVATIVE websites!
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Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.
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I agree wholeheartedly with the Web site comments...
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 9:59PM EST (link)The GOP website offers nothing…everything you go to is a solicitation for funds…there is no useful information on events, policy positions, how to get connected, networking…NOTHING…
I have no problem with the fund raising appeals…but having SOME useful content would be nice!
Care to address the rest of my comment?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 7:55PM EST (link)Most notably, the fact that we have to win elections to accomplish anything, and you don’t win elections by running for office 10 months before people are paying attention?
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Neil, you might want to tell Christy Mihos and
The_Rebel (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 8:30PM EST (link)Dick Morris that:
http://www.christy2010.com/
Dick Morris?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 8:35PM EST (link)People still take him seriously?
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He's running the Mihos campaign.
The_Rebel (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 8:37PM EST (link)n/t
you could work on letting people know what the party stands for as you wait for the election
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:02PM EST (link)the Democrats are in permanent campaign mode and our guys want to sleep through it!
Advertise the brand...what does it stand for...what people see now is nothing...
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 12:44PM EST (link)I think one of the reasons for the rage we’re seeing at the Tea Party rallies and town halls is as much about what the Republicans are not doing as it is at what the Democrats are doing…
What I see is an electorate standing around saying:
“The Democrats want to do what?”….
“Who’s going to stop them?”….
“Where are the Republicans?”…
“Didn’t they go along with TARP and the Stimulous?”
“Well we can’t trust or rely on them to stop anything so we’d better damn well do it ourselves!”
Just a little time advertising what we stand for and why we even exist as a party would go a long way to winning a majority for us in 2010!
No Ace
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 7:57PM EST (link)Not everyone bashes Republicans all the time like you and Daily Kos.
But we know you sure do want Obama, Reid, and Pelosi to be re-elected.
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didn't you just accuse me of not arguing with facts and reason Neil?
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 9:52PM EST (link)With all due respect to your position if not for you personally…you are being childish.
M laid out an observation…that people are looking for an alternative and the Republican Party so far isn’t presenting them with one…and you post this gem…
I mean…com on…can’t you provide some facts or refute what I said instead of posting crap like that?
Well you did just lie through your teeth about me
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 9:56PM EST (link)So I’d say I was 100% accurate.
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Do tell...when did I lie through my teeth about you?
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:03PM EST (link)I can assure you…I never intended to lie about you or anything else
Your claim as to my primary preferences (nt)
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what did I say about your primary preferrences?
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:35PM EST (link)I thought we were in agreement on that part of it at least…back your horse…and I’ve been clear about voting for the nominee in the general…with the exceptions I’ve noted.
for the life of me I don’t know why you want to personalize this disagreement…but I in no way intended to lie about you in any way
Oh wait
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, September 10th at 12:30AM EST (link)You supported Sheldon Whitehouse over Linc Chafee? You’d have supported Sestak over Specter if he didn’t switch? You’d support the Democrat over Crist?
Wow, you really are a fifth column socialist weasel.
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Oh I do retract the lying part
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, September 10th at 12:42AM EST (link)I just misunderstood. I assumed you were on our team, instead of supporting Democrat victory.
So no, you didn’t lie when you said I oppose Sheldon Whitehouse, Joe Sestak, and whoever the D is going to be in Florida.
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I never said any such thing...I don't even know who the hell Sheldon whithouse is!
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, September 10th at 1:29AM EST (link)Seriously Neil…get a grip and stop calling names…
I seriously don’t recall saying you supported anyone and I damned sure didn’t accuse you of supporting any Democrats and wou8ld appreciate it if you’d grow up and stop accusing me of the same…
opposing a moderate Republican isn’t the same as supporting a Democrat no matter how many times you try to make the claim and I would think a site moderator would be able to engage in an honest discussion without stamping his feet and holding his breath like a spoiled child!
This makes no sense what so ever...Frankly I can't make heads or tails of what you're trying to say here...
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, September 10th at 1:42AM EST (link)this post obviously doesn’t fit the “Facts and logic” statement you made earlier….
maybe it’s time to put the bottle away and sleep it off?
oh...and please use facts and reason to justify your claim that I want to re-elect Pelosi, Reid and Obama...
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:06PM EST (link)I want nothing of the sort…I just don’t think you can beat them by acting like them…
and I’m begging you to please stop the insults…it doesn’t become you!
that should be..."I just don’t think you CAN'T beat them by acting like them" nt
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:07PM EST (link)? Too many negatives there. nt
Flagstaff (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:32PM EST (link)“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
LOL...I red it wrong after I posted it and made a correction I didn't need to make
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:37PM EST (link)Let it stand as originally posted…LOL
ahhh...I READ it wrong I mean
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:38PM EST (link)maybe I should quit while ahead
I think you make a good point, Neil.
Flagstaff (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 8:18PM EST (link)If the point is that the time isn’t yet here to get too much involved as a party in countering the Democrats’ health delivery mistakes. Let the grass roots run with it for a while.
Certainly, it’s too early to be setting out alternatives plans.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
I agree with that Flag...and it's the point I was trying to make above...
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 9:55PM EST (link)we should let the grass roots do what we’ve done over the past months…but the Party could and should be working on what we stand for and what we have to offer as an alternative!
Surrogates Speaking For The GOP
Ausonius (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 8:21AM EST (link)I am also reminded by this discussion of how Conservative Talk Radio ran a better campaign for the Republicans/McCain than the Republicans/McCain.
Until Sarah Palin showed up at least! Then she matched the radio hosts.
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There you go
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 8:51PM EST (link)That’s how it ought to be. Our politicians need to keep their powder dry until the general election campaign. But activists like us, and like Sarah Palin, can stir up interest in ideas now. We can find out what’s good and what’s bad, and then the politicans can use that information next summer and fall.
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Liberal tactic
livefreenh Tuesday, September 15th at 6:42AM EST (link)Reading this thread, it becomes apparent who is who. When a discussion of fact turns into a name-calling exhibition, it stinks of modern liberalism.
The tactic is simple and effective. It’s also called “fools mate” in chess, because only fools fall for it more than once.