George Will has an excellent column today urging Congress to end automatic birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants. Bravo. Legal immigration from Mexico and other countries is wonderful, but illegal immigration continues to have a huge negative impact on our country. Comprehensive immigration reform legislation is likely this spring, and any meaningful legislation will get rid of automatic birthright citizenship. George Will quotes a recent law review article by Lino Graglia:
It is difficult to imagine a more irrational and self-defeating legal system than one which makes unauthorized entry into this country a criminal offense and simultaneously provides perhaps the greatest possible inducement to illegal entry.
Most Americans are sick and tired of futile half-measures to stop illegal immigration, such as the recently-abandoned “virtual fence” at the southern border. There are effective steps that Congress could take, and eliminating automatic birthright citizenship is at the top of the list, even though it raises some legitimate constitutional concerns. As George Will’s column today points out, those concerns are not convincing.
Accordingly, in order to get the ball rolling, allow me to draft some statutory language that would get the job done:
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the “Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011″.
SECTION 2. CITIZENSHIP AND JURISDICTION WITH RESPECT TO CERTAIN PERSONS.
(a) Congress hereby finds and declares as follows.
(1) Legal immigrants have always been welcome here in this country, and always ought to be welcome here.
(2) Automatic birthright citizenship for newborn children of illegal immigrants has provided an inducement to illegal entry, and has thereby subjected the laws to continual infraction and the government to degradation.
(b) Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, pursuant to authority under Article I, Section 8 and Article III, Section 2 and also Amendment XIV, Section 5 of the Constitution:
(1) The federal courts shall not have jurisdiction over any person barred from lawful presence in this country, nor any newborn child born in the United States with parents barred from lawful presence in this country, to any greater extent than the federal courts have jurisdiction over foreign diplomats.
(2) Executive branch officials shall deem the residence of any person barred from lawful presence in this country, and the birthplace of a newborn child born here with parents barred from lawful presence in this country, equivalent to a diplomatic compound or occupied territory for purposes of determining federal jurisdiction.
(3) A newborn child, born here with parents barred from lawful presence in this country, shall not have a different citizenship or nationality than those of his or her parents.
(4) Persons barred from lawful presence in this country shall have a continuing duty to respect the laws of the United States, and executive branch officials shall have authority to declare whether such a person is persona non grata and shall also have authority to revoke or restore the immunity of such a person from federal prosecution on a case by case basis in the event of deportation, or in the event of reentry, or in the event of consent from the person’s home country, or in the event that effective prosecution reasonably appears unlikely in the home country.
(5) Section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1401) is amended–
(i) by inserting “(a) IN GENERAL- ” before “The following”;
(ii) by redesignating paragraphs (a) through (h) as paragraphs (1) through (8); and
(iii) by adding at the end the following:
“(b) Definition- Acknowledging the right of birthright citizenship established by section 1 of the 14th amendment to the Constitution, a person born in the United States shall be considered ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ of the United States for purposes of subsection (a)(1) if the person is born in the United States of parents, one of whom is at the time of birth–
“(1) a citizen or national of the United States; or
“(2) an alien not barred from lawful presence in the United States, and not having diplomatic immunity.”
(iv) In case of an irreconcilable variance between the other portions of this act and the Constitution, then, at minimum, these changes to the United States Code shall remain in force. Additionally, the other preceding portions of this act shall not be held effective except to the extent necessary to render constitutional these changes to the United States Code.
(6) Nothing in this act shall affect any of the legal rights or privileges that are owed equally to persons irrespective of citizenship, according to either state or federal law, or both.
(7) Nothing in this act shall affect the jurisdiction that any state government may have over any person at any time.
(8) Nothing in this act shall affect the citizenship or nationality status of any person born before January 1, 2011.
(9) Nothing in this act shall diminish the ability of the federal government to expel any person, including diplomats and other persons described in this act.
(10) Nothing in this act shall affect eligibility for naturalization, nor shall affect jurisdiction over persons who are naturalized.
Any congresscritters listening?
UPDATE (3/31/2010): For those of you who have not read the Graglia article linked above, Professor Graglia argues that “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” in the Fourteenth Amendment originally meant “not subject to any foreign power” or alternatively “not owing allegiance” to any other country. Therefore, Graglia suggests, a latter-day Dred Scott would be entitled to citizenship, whereas an infant child of illegal immigrants would not. This issue has never been squarely presented to the U.S. Supreme Court. I’ve tweaked the draft statute above to make it a little better, in view of the currently pending H.R. 1868.
UPDATE #2 (4/7/2010): I just want to add that I do not agree with Graglia and Will on one point: to the extent they argue against a constitutional right of birthright citizenship for children of legal resident aliens, that seems incorrect. And to the extent they argue that the Wong Kim Ark case was wrongly decided, I disagree with that too. What I agree with them about is that newborn children of illegal immigrants do not necessarily have a constitutional right to birthright citizenship. It is very important not to get legal immigrants mixed up with illegal immigrants.
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Anchor babies are the biggest scam going.
NeoKong (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 6:05PM EST (link)Once a couple or a young illegal have a child here they can never be deported. How can you possibly send an American citizen to some third world hell whole they will say….?
Put him on welfare and food stamps and give him free health care as soon as possible.
Naturally the parents get to stay as well.
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agreed Moe
Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 6:17PM EST (link)if our leaders can’t take care of us and follow the Constitution, then they need to be thrown out of office.
Molon Labe!
The Part of "No" That I Do Not Understand
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 6:21PM EST (link)I assume that “no” means you disagree. Is there any reason?
My guess
notreallyrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 8:39PM EST (link)is that as conservatives, our moral high ground against the abuses of Obama is the constitution, and how they want to change it. If we start doing the same thing, then the dems can just dismiss us as hypocrites. The first sentence of the 14th Amendment is: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
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I’m a conservative, not a Republican. If the GOP forgets about that, I’d be more then happy to vote third-party. Wouldn’t give me any less representation then I have now, and might give me more.
Jurisdiction
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 8:50PM EST (link)The question is: what does the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” mean? Are illegal immigrants “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States? The Supreme Court has never explicitly said one way or the other. Informed people have differing opinions, and I think it’s a bit premature to say that some of those people are not on the moral high ground.
Subject to the jurisdiction thereof
notreallyrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 8:54PM EST (link)has a very specific meaning, it is short and simple. A foreign embassy is not subject to the jurisdiction of america, just like american embassies are not subject to the jurisdiction of the countries they reside in. A person in america is subject to american laws, unless you want to tell me that the solution to the anchor baby means exempting illegals from american laws, in which case they would not be ‘illegal’ any more. Hell they could kill someone and we couldn’t do anything about it if you want to place them out of the jurisdiction of the country they’re committing crimes in.
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I’m a conservative, not a Republican. If the GOP forgets about that, I’d be more then happy to vote third-party. Wouldn’t give me any less representation then I have now, and might give me more.
I also want to point out
notreallyrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:05PM EST (link)That it was written the way it was written for a reason. In one of the shining examples of the checks and balances system of government, this was congress (and the states) overturning the supreme court. This line cut out the Dredd Scott decision announcing that blacks, even those in free states at the time, were not citizens.
Imagine the idiots in the MSM having a field day with that, it feeds right into their ‘racists!’ storyline about the tea partiers. ‘Conservative activists vowing to overturn the clause in the constitution that gave citizenship to African-Americans’
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I’m a conservative, not a Republican. If the GOP forgets about that, I’d be more then happy to vote third-party. Wouldn’t give me any less representation then I have now, and might give me more.
MSM Idiocy
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:18PM EST (link)I am not really interested in PR implications, or what MSM idiots have to say about it. Public relations and MSM idiocy are beside the point. The question is what the Constitution means. Moreover, if “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” means “not subject to any foreign power” or alternatively means “not owing allegiance to anybody else” then clearly that would obviously include people like Dred Scott, while potentially excluding American-born children of illegal immigrants.
You're off in fantasy land
notreallyrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:25PM EST (link)The issue was his parent’s weren’t American citizens, and therefor neither was he, according to the court. This was overcome by the amendment, which, simply and elegantly, places anyone born in a place under American sovereignty as an american citizen. Most of the continent at the time was American Territories, not American State, that’s why it’s written as subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
If you are wondering if this makes a difference, it’s what allowed McCain to be a ‘natural born citizen’. His parents were fulfilling patriotic military duty at the time he was born, in the Panama Canal Territory, covered under the 14th amendment.
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Hey Neil... it's a birther. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:28PM EST (link)Not a birther at all
notreallyrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:31PM EST (link)I don’t trust Obama, but I trust the governor of Hawaii. She says it’s legit, i accept it. If there were any legitimate questions the courts would’ve stepped in. Why do you think I subscribe to the birthers pet issue?
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Well, based on your signature, you're certainly an idiot. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:35PM EST (link)sticks and stones. nt
notreallyrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:39PM EST (link)–
I’m a conservative, not a Republican. If the GOP forgets about that, I’d be more then happy to vote third-party. Wouldn’t give me any less representation then I have now, and might give me more.
No, it's not "sticks and stones" you brain dead fool.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:49PM EST (link)Voting for a third party AWAYS favors the third party voters least favorite candidate. Just as President Al Gore. Or two term President George HW Bush.
We need to be grooming conservatives to challenge everywhere, but until then we need Republicans in Congress. I’m guessing you’re not bright enough to understand that a Snowe or Collins or Scott Brown will vote with us a heck of a lot more often than any Democrat and will always vote for a Republican leader.
You really need to change your screen name to “supportingmarxists” because that’s what your sig is all about.
go troll elsewhere nt
notreallyrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:50PM EST (link)–
I’m a conservative, not a Republican. If the GOP forgets about that, I’d be more then happy to vote third-party. Wouldn’t give me any less representation then I have now, and might give me more.
OK folks. FRANZ RULE!
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 10:24PM EST (link)More trolling
notreallyrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 10:42PM EST (link)We were having a productive and respectful, if heated, exchange. You derailed it with some hypothetical birth inanity. Didn’t even rise to the level of insane, jus inane.
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Sig Misses it
conservativecounsel Sunday, March 28th at 10:45PM EST (link)Your sig line does miss the point. That same mentality gave us Obama as people voted as a way to punish the GOP.
If third party candidates are so good and conservative why don’t they run as Republicans?
A point!
notreallyrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 10:52PM EST (link)I can address this one. I usually vote republican. My sig is just letting the GOP know if they ignore conservatives like us (this was during the Scozzafava bs) that we can and do demand a choice of a conservative. If you recall, there was no primary in that race.
also, this: “If third party candidates are so good and conservative why don’t they run as Republicans?”
Implies that they all aspire towards that goal. I helped elect a libertarian once in my younger days to the legislature, he had no desire to become a republican. He did vote with them on most (all?) things, but the party did not represent his views. With the spending of Bush as an example, not all republican candidates represent my views. Most cases, this isnt a problem. Sometimes (scozzafava, which is what i wrote it for back in the day, is an example)
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Insults are Not Called For (which I guess will prompt an avalanche)
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:32PM EST (link)Have you bothered to read the article by Graglia linked in the Diary Post?
Graglia writes that “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” means “not subject to any foreign power” or alternatively means “not owing allegiance to anybody else.” That would make Dred Scott a citizen. No one suggests that Dred Scott was subject to a foreign power, or that he owed allegiance to anyone other than the United States. So, according to Graglia, a latter-day Dred Scott would be entitled to citizenship under the 14th Amendment.
Though technically
mschmitt (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:32PM EST (link)Foreign embassies are not “in the United States.” They are foreign soil. So, I agree with Andrew. What does “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” mean?
As far as I know, it at least applies to foreign dignitaries and their wives that happen to use an American hospital to give birth — they do not obtain automatic citizenship for their children. I fail to see why that rule would be applied any differently to illegal immigrants; at least on Constitutional grounds.
usque ad finem
While im not completely sure
notreallyrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:35PM EST (link)I do believe the legal answer to this would involve some aspect of diplomatic immunity. A quick copy from the wiki:
“Diplomatic immunity is a form of legal immunity and a policy held between governments, which ensures that diplomats are given safe passage and are considered not susceptible to lawsuit or prosecution under the host country’s laws (although they can be expelled).”
There’s probably codified aspects of US law that deal with such situations and rely on that principle, but im not a lawyer, I’m not sure.
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I’m a conservative, not a Republican. If the GOP forgets about that, I’d be more then happy to vote third-party. Wouldn’t give me any less representation then I have now, and might give me more.
I also highly doubt this is possible
rehoboam (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 10:35PM EST (link)One could try to maintain that illegal immigrants are not subject to US jurisdiction for the purposes of assigning citizenship, but as the poster above points out, they certainly are subject to our jurisdiction for crimes committed in the United States. I don’t think Indian reservations are a counterpoint because in many cases crimes committed on reservations really are outside US jurisdiction (not our problem). It has also been understood for a long time among the public that if you are born in the United States then you are hands down a citizen.
The merits of this proposal are a totally separate matter but my guess is that if we look honestly at the Constitution then we would really need a constitutional amendment to do this.
I would be in favor of an amendment
notreallyrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 10:45PM EST (link)We should get the ball rolling on this, especially as a counterpoint to the amnesty crock Obama is about to bring up.
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I’m a conservative, not a Republican. If the GOP forgets about that, I’d be more then happy to vote third-party. Wouldn’t give me any less representation then I have now, and might give me more.
Me too
rehoboam (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:04AM EST (link)I think it might be a good idea to try passing this, as Nathan Deal has, and just see if it held up in court. Then if it did not you could try for an amendment. Probably you would need an amendment but in the off chance the courts said you didn’t it would be well worth it.
I found this USA Today article that provides some good information about it:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-12-26-citizenship-debate_x.htm
Working within the above constraints
rehoboam (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 10:50PM EST (link)…I suggest that a good approach would be to make illegal entry to the US a felony as the bill passed by the House in 2006 would have. Illegals could then be subject to real penalties to create a credible deterrent. I speculated about how this could done in a recent diary:
http://www.redstate.com/rehoboam/2010/03/28/make-illegal-immigration-a-felony-2/
Though then again
rehoboam (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 11:43PM EST (link)…you could always just try passing the darn thing and see if it held up in court.
Nah, I just like Mexican babies better than 'real American' ones.
Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 8:41PM EST (link)At least, that’s the answer I assume that you want to hear, and I’ve already spent more time on this topic than it deserves.
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No
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 8:52PM EST (link)No, that’s not the answer I want to hear, and I don’t have any idea why you would think it’s what I want to hear. If you’ve spent time on the topic, then maybe you could provide a link.
To ask "Is there any reason?" assumes a possible answer of 'No.'
Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 8:58PM EST (link)Don’t be disingenuous, Andrew. Also: it’s your job to convince me, not the other way around.
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Disingenuous?
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:06PM EST (link)I’m not being disingenuous, and I don’t understand why you think I am being that way.
Riiiiiiiiight. [nt]
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Moe
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:24PM EST (link)Have I said something to make you think that I’m dishonest or mean or something like that? I wrote a blog post expressing an opinion, and you gave a one-word answer without any explanation. So I asked for one. You then basically called me a liar twice, and inferred that I think you’re a racist. I deny all of that. I don’t understand what the problem is with having a civil discussion.
As I said, don't be disingenious.
Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:35PM EST (link)It’s not my fault that you have failed to convince me of the need, urgency, or practicality of changing my opinion on birthright citizenship; and until you do, the answer you get is “No.”
If this bugs you, you could always try ignoring me.
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What Bugs
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:43PM EST (link)Moe, it bugs me very little that you disagree with me. What bugs me more are your suggestions that I am a liar, and that you infer I think you’re a racist.
If you want me to try to convince you then give me some clue why you disagree. Otherwise, I don’t have anything to say to you, and will go ahead and ignore you.
So it's settled, then.
Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:56PM EST (link)Good.
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Why write more "laws" when the ones we have are not enforced
izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:40PM EST (link)Only in America would they pass a “law” to require citizens to buy something they don’t want under force of law…..
If the feds cannot stop illegal immigration – how are they going to police 330 Million Americans? They can’t. The IRS thing is just the visible hammer they are waving around….
So, George Will writes an article and viola the leftist run government will slap their foreheads and say why didn’t we think of this?
Until they give border residents the right to shoot to kill if illegals are on their land than the problem won’t be stopped. The government is infected with too many communists and socialists to turn it around overnight. The left is counting on amnesty to boost the voter roles. This has been the plan for 50 years. It will take a miracle to gain control of the government and purge the communists out. Not impossible but it is almost like trying to stop a river with a pale of sand.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
The referenced article was George Will phoning one in
CodeRedinPA (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 8:48PM EST (link)It’s politically and judicially impossible….as much as I wish it would happen.
Total disagreement
Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 11:29PM EST (link)So-called anchor babies are a symptom, not the problem.
Fix the problem of insecure borders and suddenly “anchor babies” won’t be important anymore, but just an edge case.
A child born here is not an illegal alien. A child born here broke no law and has lived no place but the United States.
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Also
Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 11:30PM EST (link)There’s a reason the Constitution forbids punishing children for what their parents did. It’s just smart.
Doing otherwise creates genuine classes of people, some above, some below.
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Punishment
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 11:34PM EST (link)I don’t think that saying a child has the same citizenship as his or her parents is really punishment. On the contrary, it could be punishment to say that the citizenship is different, and therefore expel the parents without expelling the child.
Same as the parents?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 11:36PM EST (link)You’d go as far as to deny the children of green card holders citizenship?
Wow that’s really…. radical.
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Green Card Holders
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 11:50PM EST (link)No, I wouldn’t deny US citizenship to the children of green-card holders. But I would regarding children of illegal aliens, just as we currently do regarding the children of ambassadors. It’s not cruel to the children of ambassadors, and it wouldn’t be cruel to the children of illegal immigrants.
Everyone should agree that illegal immigrants are more subject to a foreign power, and owe more allegiance to their home country, than do legal resident aliens (i.e. green card holders). So, I don’t think their children are “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States” within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. Certainly the Supreme Court has never said so.
Ambassadors have immunity
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:05AM EST (link)So they’re definitely outside of our jurisdiction.
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Not Just Ambassadors
AndrewHyman (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:20AM EST (link)I agree that the situation with ambassadors is more clear-cut than the situation with illegal immigrants. But keep in mind that the Supreme Court has not only said that children of ambassadors are outside the Citizenship Clause. The Supreme Court has also said the same thing about Native Americans (“Indians”) born in the United States, and the Court has never overturned that decision in Elk v. Wilkins. The Court later summarized:
So, “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” excludes more than just ambassadors.
But signed treaties
notreallyrepublican (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:46AM EST (link)with the ‘recognized’ native tribe granted them sovereignty over their people and their land. The US still recognizes tribes and their reservations as seperate nations, and yet also part of the republic. The important part of your cite:
“an Indian born a member of one of the Indian tribes within the United States, which still existed and was recognized as an Indian tribe by the United States”
They strictly excluded non-recognized tribes, who were not considered sovereign nations within the US.
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That's Correct
AndrewHyman (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:50AM EST (link)My point was simply that the Court has unambiguously said that the language “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” excludes more than ambassadors.
Ahh
notreallyrepublican (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:55AM EST (link)My apologies then, because it does say that.
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I’m a conservative, not a Republican. If the GOP forgets about that, I’d be more then happy to vote third-party. Wouldn’t give me any less representation then I have now, and might give me more.
Question
rehoboam (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:09AM EST (link)Are there any organizations advocating this approach that do not also advocate automatic deportation for all illegal immigrants? While I suspect it would require a constitutional amendment to remain in effect, I do like this idea on its merits. If there was an organization rooting for it that did not also endorse impractical complete deportation then I would be highly likely to donate to that organization.
Harry Reid Tried to Get Rid of Birthright Citizenship
AndrewHyman (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:47AM EST (link)I don’t know a whole lot about what organizations may be trying to get a test case before the U.S. Supreme Court on this issue. According to this web site, in 1993 Senator Harry Reid proposed limiting citizenship to the children of women who were either citizens or in the U.S. legally. But please don’t donate to him!
One very prominent advocate for ending birthright citizenship is John Eastman, who’s currently running for Attorney General of California. I’m sure he’d appreciate a few bucks. His website is here.
That's the trouble
rehoboam (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:55AM EST (link)I’m really not sure there are any organizations falling into the requisite category for me.
Donating to candidates isn’t so hot because they’re active on a whole bunch of issues, some of which I may not feel strongly about or even agree with. Donations to organizations are a concentrated dose.
Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)
AndrewHyman (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 1:41AM EST (link)I’ve been nosing around a little bit on the internet, for the past hour or so. Here’s what I found….
There’s legislation currently pending in Congress to end birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants, and it has ninety co-sponsors in the House. It’s HR 1868.
One of the organizations supporting HR 1868 is the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) a national, nonprofit, public-interest, membership organization. FAIR says that it has 250,000 members and supporters nationwide, and describes itself as a non-partisan group whose membership runs the gamut from liberal to conservative.
According to their website:
So, maybe FAIR would be a good place to donate regarding this issue.
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
rehoboam (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 2:29AM EST (link)Held: In a 6-2 decision, the Court held that under the Fourteenth Amendment, a child born in the United States of parents of foreign descent who, at the time of the child’s birth are subjects of a foreign power but who have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under a foreign power, and are not members of foreign forces in hostile occupation of United States territory, becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth.
Conclusion: the proposal above would indeed likely require a constitutional amendment. At most there is an off chance it would not.
Wong Kim Ark
AndrewHyman (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 3:59PM EST (link)If there is a serious effort to get a constitutional amendment adopted in the future regarding birthright citizenship, then many people will say it’s premature or unnecessary because SCOTUS has not yet said that illegal immigrant births give rise to U.S. citizenship. So, even if ordinary legislation has a chance of being held unconstitutional, I think ordinary legislation would still be very worthwhile to pave the way for a constitutional amendment. Also, I think that chance of being held unconstitutional is not overwhelming.
The case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) does not doom congressional legislation on this point. The parents in that case were LEGAL resident aliens.
In contrast to legal aliens, illegal aliens have no duty of allegiance to the United States, and vice versa; they are in hostile occupation of United States territory in defiance of the government and law of the land, and their duty of obedience to the Unites States consists at most of a duty to leave. Illegal aliens have not been naturalized or taxed or in any way recognized or treated as citizens.
An illegal immigrant has come here without “intending to subject himself to a jurisdiction” of the United States, as Chief Justice John Marshall once put it. Marshall explained that legal immigrants do not have any exemption from the jurisdiction of the United States: “The implied license, therefore, under which they enter, can never be construed to grant such exemption.” Illegal immigrants have no implied license to enter the United States. The Court in Wong Kim Ark acknowledged that:
Chief Justice Marshall was very clear that legal immigrants have an implied license to enter, and this explains why they become subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Chief Justice Marshall
AndrewHyman (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 4:22PM EST (link)As mentioned, the Court’s decision in Wong Kim Ark explicit;ly relied very heavily on a prior opinion by Chief Justice John Marshall: The Exchange v. McFaddon, 11 U.S. 7 (1812). Here’s an excerpt from Marshall’s opinion:
Marshall made clear that he was only addressing a situation where an immigrant has a license to enter. It is therefore unnecessary to distinguish the SCOTUS precedents from the question of illegal immigrants because those precedents themselves distinguished the question.
Moreover, Chief Jutsice Marshall identified some very relevant considerations in the excerpt above: whether birthright citizenship is “inconvenient and dangerous to society, and would subject the laws to continual infraction and the government to degradation….”
P.S. About Jurisdiction
AndrewHyman (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 4:40PM EST (link)I wonder if any scholars have argued that illegal immigrants are subject to U.S. jurisdiction, whereas their newborn children are not. It may be worth a look.
Hornet nest
Othniel ben Kenaz (Diary) Sunday, April 11th at 3:38PM EST (link)There are several new posts by pro-illegal immigration organizations responding to Will’s column. I think he really stirred up a hornets’ nest. Immigration Policy Center released this document, which I have not completely read yet, but what I did read was worth it. Anyone interested in understanding whether the Fourteenth Amendment keeps us from redefining those eligible for birthright citizenship should have a look. (There is also the counterargument from the Heritage Foundation.) Center for American Progress released a piece with a disingenuous photograph implying that opposing abuses of the system by illegal immigrants necessarily involves opposing legal immigration. The Huffington Post released this piece by a well-known author.
These people need to be overcome. Who will do it? I wish there was a single-issue group dedicated solely to pushing the Birthright Citizenship Act!
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